4010 and 4000 differences

[srp]

I am thinking of getting a synchro shift 4010 or 4000 for my next tractor, and don't know much about the differences between them. The obvious is 24ci larger engine and newer model for the 4000. I have also read that the 4010 had some type of pto problems with pins getting bent when switching between 540 and 1000 was this fixed in the 4000?

Tractor Data also has the 4000 listed as weighing 8605 and the 4010 tipping the scales at 7100 which makes me think there are more differences that what I can see in the pictures I have looked at. The other big difference is cost, with the 4000 being roughly double for comparable machines - is it worth it?

It would mainly be used for some light hobby farming, and go to a few shows and local tractor fun pulls. Thanks

 

[larryanderson]

The 12V system,an extra 10/15 H.P.,a much improved PTO,plus the extra resale associated with a tractor that had 8095 made compared to 57,572 for the 4010s.The 3pt.and rear end and transmission are similar but there are differences.The 4000s should start easier but not always.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Long Story Short, a 4000 is a Stripped Down Economy version of the 4020 with a 3020 Rear end.

 

[buickanddeere]

Bullsh!t. Read the parts book, why are you spreading that old wive's tale ?

 

[larryanderson]

The weight kinda surprises me as the 4000 did weigh less than the 4020 due to smaller axles lack of tin work around seat,lighter castings,no 1000 PTO,lighter 3pt.I think they were 10% cheaper which would have been $800 in that era.There are a few with factory cabs,power shift,diff lock, HFWA,triple SCVs,as all options were available.I tried to be carefull in my wording to not offend B&D but Harlan did it anyway.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 00:52:10 03/14/12) Long Story Short, a 4000 is a Stripped Down Economy version of the 4020 with a 3020 Rear end.

Harlan
I beg to differ. Yes the 4000 is a stripped down(economy) 4020 but it doesn't have a 3020 rear end(differential). 4000 doesn't have reverse syncronizers in the trans similar to 4020. I just briefly checked JDparts.com. comparing the 4000 rear end to to the 3020 rear end. The only part I found that's the same is the rear axle snap ring(parts key #1 footnote"A",part # R53657).

If you are aware of the parts in the 3020/4000 that are the same please feel free to post them.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 21:11:34 03/13/12) I have also read that the 4010 had some type of pto problems with pins getting bent when switching between 540 and 1000 was this fixed in the 4000? Thanks

No tiny pin to bend/break in pto on 4000

Parts key #32 in photo is the tiny pin on 4010 pto.

 

[Tx Jim]

4000 also had no rock shaft covers(sheet metal cowling)

 

[M w J]

The 4000 had battery trays not battery boxes like the 4020. They had a three point like the 3020 not the cast iron arms . They did have the smaller axle But it was not a 3020 axle or 4020 they were a 4000 part only as was the planetary in the axle housing. The rear wheel was lighter unless they were ordered with the heavy wheels they did not have the belly PTO. They did not come with the 1000 for the back but all you had to do was buy the stub shaft to plug in and most that I have seen now have it.

 

[4320diesel]

the reason the 4000 and 4020's start easier than the 4010 is because of their injection pumps with the auto advance in them. this allowed them to have an initial timing of TDC then advance as the revs when up, over the 4010 always being set at 14*BTDC which makes it a bit harder to start.

 

[Mike M]

Think of the 4000 as more of a collector edition.

You would be better off finding a 4020 from 1964-1968 ? or whenever just before the side console models if you want a worker. These can still be bought reasonable.But if you have the extra money to get the 4000 go for it. Likely they will still hold thier value better in the end.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Ok so I should have said a lighter duty rear end, a person makes a mistake and it brings on swearing and disgust? Wow

 

[buickanddeere]

So now you are pouty after being caught in a lie that has been disputed and proved here many, many times. Getting real tired of people trotting out the 3020 fib.As for the 4000 planetary set and axles being weaker? 4000 vs. 4020 failure rate do not differ. The 4000's set was just cheaper to manufacture and bolt together. You took offense to a spelling error, what kind of mind thought of the worst possibility?

 

[Kent Petersen]

that is true on the pumps but if you realy knew any thing about 4010s you would know that almost no old styl pumps left out there as most all were changed to an adv type on the frist rebuid

 

[JDBert]

4000 also has single headlights in the fenders, most have single scv outlets, tach is out there on its own, rear rims are the double drop style like the old A, B and G's ran, lots of little things like that. I guess if I wanted a user tractor and not a collector- I'd go looking for a 4020.

Nothing wrong with 4010's really the PTO thing seems to get blown out of porportion, its not that big of a deal if your just careful when you switch stub shafts and make sure the bolts stay tight. Most of the 4010's your going to find will have been OH'd and will be 404's and the pumps will be updated as well. Hydraulic and 3 point controls will be on the dash on a side console if that bothers you. they also wont have a diff lock- which more then likely neither will the 4000.

Whats wrong B&D?? Wife still saying no to the new tractor huh

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 15:19:01 03/14/12) Nothing wrong with 4010's really the PTO thing seems to get blown out of porportion, its not that big of a deal if your just careful when you switch stub shafts and make sure the bolts stay tight.

JDBert
Granted not all 3010/4010 tiny pto speed change pins get bent or broken but when they do if one isn't a "GOOD tractor technician" it can cost a good amount of $$$$$$$ in today's labor market to get repaired. srp asked the differences between a 4010 & 4000 and I think pointing out the pto differences is valid.

 

[JDBert]

JDBert
Granted not all 3010/4010 tiny pto speed change pins get bent or broken but when they do if one isn't a "GOOD tractor technician" it can cost a good amount of $$$$$$$ in today's labor market to get repaired. srp asked the differences between a 4010 & 4000 and I think pointing out the pto differences is valid.[/quote]

I totally agree- in no way was I down playing that it isn't something to point out, I just think lots of times it gets labled as a "major problem" "STAY AWAY from 4010's" type of deal when in all reality- not forcing the stub shaft on and a little lock tight and your fine. And in all reality some really nice 4010's probably get passed over and some pile of crap 4020's get bought instead.

 

[Tx Jim]

If I was in the market for an older New Generation rowcrop tractor then I'd pick a 4020 over a 4010 in a heartbeat if the condition of both tractors were even remotely close. Each to their own.

 

[4320diesel]

no need to be snotty about it man. i was just saying. and my 4010 has been rebuilt and never been "updated" with the advance type pump. which would also require a new throttle arm since the linkage arm on the pump is towards the engine, not away from the engine, and since it has no stop knob configuration, youd need to put in a 4020 style throttle system where the override knob on the end of the hand throttle also allows the throttle to move upward into shut off mode. (or install a gas or LP gas throttle which also has this feature).

 

[Kent Petersen]

your are wrong again roose made a kit for 3010 & 4010 That had the advance built in but it fit the linkage with no mods

 

[4320diesel]

well there you go. i learnt something today. but still, no need to be a jerk about it there guy. because being a jerk over the internet may make you feel like a macho man, but its pointless, and takes away from the rest of the forum.

 

[Kent Petersen]

i will tell what i think makes a jerk it guys that belive ever B S story out there and then come on here and spread it some more like they know it to be goospel if you want help people you better know what you a talking about frist it took 50 years to get ware i am and still learning ever day

 

[Anonymous-0]

i wasnt intending to lie whatsoever, but if you want me to lie, I can call you a nice guy. Hows that? A$$hole, opps I spelled that wrong just like you had a spelling error hehe.

 

[buickanddeere]

So you can't think of anything original and have to copy.

 

[TIMAR]

Just had 2 4010's in the shop that had the original pumps on them. The one that started the easiest needed an overhaul and still had the original guts in the engine. Rod and main bearings stamped 10-60

 

[Kh]

The 4000 was a good work tractor, my dad bought his new in 1971 with a john deere 5 bottom plow 16". It pulled just fine had to have duals on it. Back then john deere never had such a good plow IH had auto reset and my dad traded the 5 bottom for 4 bottom 18" with auto no more backing up with rocks. My dad always called the 4000 a wild cat of its day! Yes everyone is right one head light per fender, no boxes for batteries open battery trays. No tool box on rock shaft either. We have ours for sale now just put a brand new original style 3 piece seat back on ours. Sometimes people in the forums do over react to things but there is a lot of knowledge in here and just take as advice. Plan to get some pictures up of mine with the correct seat and a few other things people pointed out I should do here soon when I go home in April.