5800 hesston rounder

[dieseldr]

Put new belts on a 5800. Looking for someone with a service or operators manual either to buy or get copies (faxes) from with the belt routing info, and the drive chain info. I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but with it all together, PTO engaged, the rubber driver @ the bottom rear and the steel driver at the front of the chamber turn different directions.... can't figure out why. All the drives look right, and the belt routing looks right. I read now the belts don't turn till there is hay being fed. Still it seems odd 2 drivers next to each other turning different directions just doesn't sound right.And the new belts are 18" longer than the old. Lots of little things wrong with this machine, also have an "expert" helping with the project, and it's like the blind leading the insighted. Any suggestions? Insurance looks good right now.

 

[petetx]

having ran a 5800 for years sold laqst year for health reasons the first thing i see wrong is the belt length it wont work with that much slack also belts dont turn till there is hay in the chamber email me email is open

 

[Anonymous-0]

Sounds like one of the chains might be wrong there is 3 on one side and 2 or 3 on the other. The belts don't move until the bale starts rolling. Ijust used my 5800 Wed to bale 13 acres. It took me about 2 years to lean how to start bales with it. If you don't hit the hay at an angle it will go through the belts, twist the belts, break the belts and make you lose your temper. I'm going on 2 years now without missing a bale.Another idea if it won't take in the hay once your going put some abrasive stair tread on the steel roller and it will bale like it's new. How much were the new belts I baled one up on wed. We unrolled the belt out of the bale and put in a new splice and got done.

 

[dieseldr]

I think it is fine, I understand now that those rollers can counterrotate because the belts are loose with no hay. As the hay enters the machine, it picks the belt off the rubber roller in the back, adds tension to the belts, and the front driver now feeds the belts forward, applying more and more tension as the hay continues into the machine. Understanding the belts being loose enough to not turn is a rather hard concept to grasp until you realize that the hay is what adds the additional tension needed to drive the belts. Will be taking it to the field Mon or Tues to check our handiwork, but I am confident it will work fine. Thanks guys for your help and suggestions, knowing how something is supposed to work makes it much easier to diagnose and repair. The previous owner must not have understood how it should work and shortened all the belts until they would turn. There was enough tension on the belts that the tension arms were held down off their stops by 2 to 3 inches, now they are up against their stops with no tension, where they are supposed to be. I am curious to see how much differently it bales now, and what type of bale quality it will now have.