600B Case tractor

[Grumpydaniel]

Looking at a 600B Case tractor, with a loader and a Case-matic tranny. I know nothing about a case-matic, what do I look for? He says it workd "really nice". Also it has a factory loader. Asking $3250.

 

[JOCCO]

I don't know much about the transmission but lately I have seen a few 600's for sale. I thought they were a nice machine. I would want to see it running and try it out.

 

[mEl]

If I were in your shoes I would get someone who knows the Case O Matic system andf have him check it out,, if properly maintained they were a great transmission and many have never been opened up. A COM in good condition should maintain full system pressure on the dash gague in Direct drive with hot oil. If the rear bushing is worn the pressure will drop badly in Direct drive and it is a costly fix and some of the parts are NLA. I love the COM but would know how to buy, not to discourage but be wise.

 

[John Saeli]

If I were in your shoes I would get someone who knows the Case O Matic system andf have him check it out,, if properly maintained they were a great transmission and many have never been opened up. A COM in good condition should maintain full system pressure on the dash gague in Direct drive with hot oil. If the rear bushing is worn the pressure will drop badly in Direct drive and it is a costly fix and some of the parts are NLA. I love the COM but would know how to buy, not to discourage but be wise.

Mel: All repair parts to overhaul a COM are available, and we stock them. When CASE obsoletes parts, we go to great lengths to source them from other sources which we have done. Wish you wouldn't have printed what you just did about "some parts NLA".

 

[mEl]

Mel: All repair parts to overhaul a COM are available, and we stock them. When CASE obsoletes parts, we go to great lengths to source them from other sources which we have done. Wish you wouldn't have printed what you just did about "some parts NLA".

John, sorry but I just helped Chuck Reynolds through his rebuild and you could not access the seal ring for the COM output shaft he told me, I went to lengths to find a supplier for him and was able to find a supplier but for some reason Chuck opted to put it together without one, just the bare shaft, maybe you have a supplier since that I am not aware of, You know better than to think I would hurt your business. I considered that seal ring a major upgrade to that system and would have pursued a workaround if it were my project. I'm glad if you now have it available.

 

[John Saeli]

John, sorry but I just helped Chuck Reynolds through his rebuild and you could not access the seal ring for the COM output shaft he told me, I went to lengths to find a supplier for him and was able to find a supplier but for some reason Chuck opted to put it together without one, just the bare shaft, maybe you have a supplier since that I am not aware of, You know better than to think I would hurt your business. I considered that seal ring a major upgrade to that system and would have pursued a workaround if it were my project. I'm glad if you now have it available.

Chuck's shaft wasn't tooled for 1 as none of the 400B's & 600B's were, that I know of. It is not in those parts books.

 

[mEl]

I have done enough of those and updated 4-600 with parts readily available at that time for the 30 series, I have welded up the 4-6 shafts and lathed the seal ring groove in the repaired shafts, you know as well as I that the 5-630 tractors and the parts needed are interchangeable parts and Chuck told me you said they were unavailable now. In my line of work it is common and wise to update to a running production change on repaired units. You had part numbers and searched the system for them and knew they were NLA according to Chuck! If you are trying to discredit and scold me for what I said I stand by what I said. I also believe he built up his shaft as advised and could have easily added that groove had the hook seal ring not been NLA. He is an excellent machinst .

 

[John Saeli]

I have done enough of those and updated 4-600 with parts readily available at that time for the 30 series, I have welded up the 4-6 shafts and lathed the seal ring groove in the repaired shafts, you know as well as I that the 5-630 tractors and the parts needed are interchangeable parts and Chuck told me you said they were unavailable now. In my line of work it is common and wise to update to a running production change on repaired units. You had part numbers and searched the system for them and knew they were NLA according to Chuck! If you are trying to discredit and scold me for what I said I stand by what I said. I also believe he built up his shaft as advised and could have easily added that groove had the hook seal ring not been NLA. He is an excellent machinst .

I stand by what I said. Every repair part to rebuild a 400B 600B Com is available and here in stock!! You used the word "parts" plural, yet you refer to 1 seal ring, not even in the 400B 600B parts book. Grumpydaniel would have been better served if you had told him that a 600B is a poor loader tractor because of the 8 -9 GPM Hyd. pump that is probably not up to par after 65 years. Also the narrow front end.

 

[mEl]

Parts would be plural as the shaft would have a updated number did it not! Go back and check the subs. Not going to argue with you as you know very well where I am coming from and you will do what you need to be "right". If you had ordered a shaft for a 600 in that day it would have come with the seal ring groove in it.

 

[John Saeli]

Parts would be plural as the shaft would have a updated number did it not! Go back and check the subs. Not going to argue with you as you know very well where I am coming from and you will do what you need to be "right". If you had ordered a shaft for a 600 in that day it would have come with the seal ring groove in it.

These tractors are not being repaired or restored to go back into full time service to support a livelihood. They are going into retirement, such as shows, parades, weekend rides.

 

[mEl]

What does that have to do with our parts discussion? You pointed out to me that I misstated and I did not. At the time you were looking for the updated shaft and sealing ring as well, I was working over the phone with Chuck almost daily. I thank you much for trying to keep us supplied with hard-to-get parts, People on this forum trust me to tell the truth, and I am.

 

[John Saeli]

What does that have to do with our parts discussion? You pointed out to me that I misstated and I did not. At the time you were looking for the updated shaft and sealing ring as well, I was working over the phone with Chuck almost daily. I thank you much for trying to keep us supplied with hard-to-get parts, People on this forum trust me to tell the truth, and I am.

The point is that a person restoring 1 of these Converters doesn't have to go to the expense of updating or repairing to the point that he or she is going to be making a living with the tractor, ie working it 10 hours a day. Chuck was the exception of being so thorough. I tried to tell him that maybe he could get by by inspecting and re-using some of his parts. A parts manager would have fired me. Most customers re-building these Converters inspect and only replace well worn or damaged parts. This Winter we have furnished parts to restore 3 Converters, did you get any calls for help? Give it up Mel, you've beat this to death.

 

[mEl]

I don't give up when I know I'm right! You started this when you chose to scold me online on something I have no doubt about being correct, BTW with just a little research and I found the rings available through a couple different sources, if you need to know where give me a call. BTW, I am on the phone with people nationwide often with problems including TCs Power Shifts , you name it so I wouldn't know if they got their parts from you, although I advise a lot of people your way.

 

[Tgrasher]

Overall, the tractor seems to have been well taken care of which would entice me to give it a close look. The usual motor checks and a shifting/ driving examination of reverse and forward gears. The Case-omatic drive allowing easy shifting, the oil clear. A lot depends on how you would intend to use it. Light work verse heavy demanding. Cleaned and touched up it would be a head turner at a tractor show.

 

[Grumpydaniel]

Overall, the tractor seems to have been well taken care of which would entice me to give it a close look. The usual motor checks and a shifting/ driving examination of reverse and forward gears. The Case-omatic drive allowing easy shifting, the oil clear. A lot depends on how you would intend to use it. Light work verse heavy demanding. Cleaned and touched up it would be a head turner at a tractor show.

Thanks, man. I'll check it out, then. My usage would be fairly light.

 

[Tgrasher]

I should have added that the Case-o-matic works like the old Chrysler fluid drive, you start out in automatic, and instead of letting up on the gas to shift, you pull a lever to lock it in direct drive. Being it's cold, it's not unusual for the tractor to run a bit for it to start to move in Case-o-matic.

 

[mEl]

Grumpy, it would be good to get the tc oil hot, the first failure is usually the rear PTO drive shaft bushing and shaft wear, the oil that engages the direct drive is sealed at the rear by shaft to bushing clearance and when that gets loose oil goes by the clearance and the direct drive will not engage or will slip. If the owner will allow, put it in 4th gear high range, lock the brakes or chain it to something that will not move, and let it slip at full throttle to warm the oil so you can check direct engagement with hot oil. You can not hurt it doing that unless you would boil the oil out of it and I have never seen that happen. Hopefully the TC pressure and Temp gage work. They are not at all a troublesome tranny and many 60 years later have never been opened up. There is a learning curve after you buy and get it home.

 

[wheat straw]

I should have added that the Case-o-matic works like the old Chrysler fluid drive, you start out in automatic, and instead of letting up on the gas to shift, you pull a lever to lock it in direct drive. Being it's cold, it's not unusual for the tractor to run a bit for it to start to move in Case-o-matic.

you brought back memories. Dad had a 41 Chrysler. Weren't there a few Dodge pickups equipped with the fluid drive. I might have dreamed it.
Andy

 

[Tgrasher]

you brought back memories. Dad had a 41 Chrysler. Weren't there a few Dodge pickups equipped with the fluid drive. I might have dreamed it.
Andy

I barely remember my dad having a 53 Dodge pick up with it. Later, my first car was a 50' Chrysler with it.

 

[Don Rudolph]

I barely remember my dad having a 53 Dodge pick up with it. Later, my first car was a 50' Chrysler with it.

Any idea what happened to J Hamilton? IIRC he was somewhat near to you.