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How does a 7700 Deere compare to an L Gleaner? I know the Gleaner was introduced in 1971 or 1972. The L had 158 hp, available185 bu. grain tank, push button electohydraulic controls for nearly every function, available Pacer grain loss monitor, automatic header height control, shaft monitor system, visual tailings return from cab, cab as standard equipment, curved and tinted floor to ceiling window, centered cab and grain bin, stone ejection door, quick switch headers, easy access cylinder and concave, two stage cleaning fan, suspended steering column, tip-up corn head dividers, variable speed corn head, available chrome cylinder & concave bars, 24" header auger, variable speed reel, 11,634 sq in separation area, 5,525 sq in cleaning area which doesn't include the first stage air blast.

The 7700 I know alot less about but I think it had 144 hp and possibly a variable speed reel and variable speed corn head. Also was it introduced in 1970?

How about the 915 IH?
 
The 7700 was a 1970 introduction, with the L following in 1972. Both have about equal capacity in many ways. The 7700's separator/cylinder is wider, but the Gleaner's internal components' configuration make up the overall size difference. If you are wanting less of a collectible and more of a working combine, I recommend the starting age for 7700's at 1973-1974 and L's to be at least 1975-1976, for better overall quality.

915's are good, too, but just a little less on capacity.
 
Do you know the hp grain bin cap. for either the 7700 or 915? Do they have the features the L has? What is an L worth verses a 915 or 7700? Thanks.
 
Here are some 7700 specs for you out of a brochure from 1977. The grain tank cap is 169 bushels. One thing you wnat to look for is to go for one of the later years 1976 through 1978. Also look for a turbo hydro model. The posi torq models did not have a turbo engine.

The chaffer area is 3209 square inches, plus sieve area of 2428. Walker area is 7124 inches. Cylinder width is 55 inches.

I would personally prefer the manually controlled levers on the older JD's to the electrohydraulic. Trying to track down electrical problems with that stuff sounds like a nightmare.

The OO series JD's were notorious for being harder to work on. They aren't that bad, if you get a service manual or talk to a JD guy and find out how to go about something. To me the Gleaners look more awkward and clumsy to run and fix on. I grew up running JD 6600 machines, they have a lot of capacity.

Having the cab on the side also does have some advantages. It is easier to see when unloading and also when looking behind to back up or look for cars when making a left turn. I ran an 8820 for years with a 30' flex head and never found it to be a problem, it is what you get used to.

The main thing is to find a machine from an owner that has taken care of it. Preferably buy something right from the farm where you know it has been shedded and maintained. You never know what you get on the dealer lot. Put a want ad in the classified and you will probably get a lot of responses, there are a lot of machines of this vintage sitting in sheds.

Good luck, Brad
 
Thanks Bradley,
I've been around Gleaners alot and have always thought they were very easy to work on and adjust. A good friend of mine is looking at a 7700 and I just think the Gleaner would be the better way to go. All I know about the old 7700 was that our neighbor years ago lost two due to fire in one year and they look hard to work on. They seem to do a good job though. I would also think that a Gleaner would be cheaper these days because of lack of dealers which wouldn't affect him because a dealer is within a few miles of him. Actually next to the Deere dealer. I would say your assessment of the Gleaner as being awkward and clumsy is way off base because they truely are easy to run and do mantenance on. There was a reason they were by far number one back in the 60's and 70's and had the best resale but I don't doubt the 7700 was a good machine overall.
 
The 00 and 20 series are hard to work on. Later 00 series were a lot better then the first ones and most will say the 20 series are about the best JD ever made. Most trouble free combine we ever owned was an 8820 and I would put ours up against any other combine including Gleaner for maintenance costs and reliability. If your friend is going to buy an L I would suggest at least an L2 as the L had some teething problems.
 
Yes, my neighbor had an 8820 that they really liked over their previous 7720. They even preferred it over their 2388 they bought later except the grain sample was far improved. Hard to find an 8820 around here. We have had exceptional luck with our M3. I notice that all my neighbors that have new red machines (most of my neighbors today have red) really go through the auger fingers. They buy them by the box while I have only repaced two in the past 5 years. Just as many rocks in my field as theirs. I did notice those fingers have a hole where a pin goes through which is where they break. My Gleaner has 3/4" thick fingers. Also a rock will take out an occassional rotor even with a stone trap while I have never owned a Gleaner with the least bit of stone damage to the cylinder. Also have never had a cleaning shoe break up on any of my past combines but have seen a couple 915's and 00 series do just that. Just a few of the things a Gleaner has over some others. Adjusting the cylinder clearance is harder on an old Gleaner but that is done only a few times a year anyhow. My buddy is a green guy so I probably am better off talking to a wall. Which I tell him all the time. :^)
 
Jack, just what could have gone so wrong as to have caused the loss of TWO 7700's in just one year?!! That almost sounds fishy, even!

I've always thought the 7700's from at least 1974 and up were really great combines. Yes, I will concur that they are harder to work on than any Gleaner, but my first post was more about relative capacity, not ease of service/repairs. I find the 7700's as durable as the L-L3 Gleaners, too. I give Gleaners the highest score of all combines as far as easy service/repair goes, but they were not the NO. 1 combine in the 1960's and early 1970's. Massey-Ferguson was, period. Deere pulled ahead of the combine market in 1975.

I'm not saying Gleaner was not a top condender, though. They were very strong right until those first L's came out in 1972. That model alone, followed by the first year of the M's, really set them back. 7 years later, Allis-Chalmers did it all over again, with the first run of their new N Series machines. They lost a lot of good ground and further destroyed what confidence so hard won back after those early L's and M's. I know many farmers and custom harvesters to this day, who swear the only good Gleaner is a DEAD one. Well, of course I disagree, but I can sure see where two new design intro's left such a scarred-for-life reputation!

Personally, after 35 years, I feel that what few surviving 1972 L's we have left, are the better made of their time, and being rare, first-year production, they should be saved and preserved. Same goes for a 1970 3300-7700 Deere. They were nowhere near as pretty 1970-1973, but anytime a old, first-year combine is found in running or restorable order--it should be a collector item.
 
I don't remember what caused each fire. Was back in about 1980 or so and when I think about it I'm pretty sure they were 7720's. They had three combines and the two that burnt were the newest ones. Who know if there was something fishy but those and massey's were noted for burning around here.

As far as I can remember reading somewhere Gleaner was number one in N. America. Massey had a worldwide market and was number one world wide. From what I've read it wasn't until the Titans were in production that Deere overtook number one in N.A. I do know for a fact that resale was higher for say an LKS verses 7700 corn soybean special. If I look I can find the figures but going by memory a used1976 LKS combines sold for a couple thousand dollars more on average in 1978 or 1979 than a 1976 7700 Corn Soybean. It was not just the one year or the one model it was constant throughout the 1960,s and 1970's for almost every model. I'll look for the book sometime and give you hard figures.

I know the early L had some trouble but I never heard much trouble with the early M. What hurt Allis IMHO was the N series and AC's insistance to put all their half-hearted effort into them and they forgot about their proven conventionals and keeping them on the cutting edge. I believe a model larger than the L2 or L3 would also have helped by the late 1970's.

I seem to remember the early 8820's having some sort of trouble too. That ring a bell with you? Later
 
I would take the JD for all points considered, especially service. The holes in the CIH fingers are there so that they break in that spot and not shorter to avoid damaging the auger. The R series are OK but AC always built stuff light.The late Emery Beyers did the wheat run for many years with MF always said when a Gleaner ran nothing would stay with them but out of 5 usually one or two were usually broke down! personally you can keep your silver seeders!
 
Well, I can't say I've seen any more occurrence of fire with any one make than another. In 6 years, I've seen my share of Gleaner L, L2's go up in flames. It's always been determined on the older Gleaners that it was electrical. I know one in particular, a local combine, was purely from neglect. Never run any combine out of its shed or barn and just expect to run it like normal, without first going thoroughly through all the electrical stuff! Rodents are the No. 1 cause of wiring problems in older combines.

I agree with you about Massey-Ferguson being the largest global farm machinery company. However, if you read back on history and not just examine what sold locally, you will see clearly, that the M-H and M-F combines were the biggest-selling by volume in North America. Now I am going to specify self-propelled combines. Allis-Chalmers [not Baldwin or the A-C Gleaner line] did sell more combines than ALL of the others' SPC's combined. The reason was because they were the All-Crop PTO-powered machines, and very small. 8-10 of them could be built/sold for every SPC made, and that was about the ratio at one time.

However, I am talking about our SPC's, not pull-types. Many people believe Massey-Harris invented or developed the first SPC, too. Not at all. There were several who made them. However, Massey-Harris DID make the first commercially-successful self-propelled combine, and that is also qite historically significant. It was for this very reason, M-H [and later M-F] led the North American market in SPC's for just over 3 and a half decades!

Yes, it was around 1975 that Deere finally pulled ahead of Massey-Ferguson in combine sales. I mentioned this earlier. There are several factors, but one more memorable one, was the fact that massey's darling of their trade--the mighty and very large Model 760, was good enough as far as its combine duties went, but for user-friendliness, the 760 was NOT! It was hard to operate with its complicated controls. The cab was no wider than those on the former 10 Series, which allowed no room for any two occupants to train each other and such. I was there. I know. The 760 was a mess of something to run! I gave up and went with an outfit that had the 00 Series Deeres!

Okay, I do know many others still stuck it out with the big 700 Series Masseys. Fine for them, because the company still had excellent dealer support, on-harvest support and everything that any farmer or CH needed, period. However, after only a few more years, Massey's already ill financial structure, began to take even a faster turn for the worse. I'm sure you know that story, too, by now. It was a terminal illness, too.

I am really surprised you were not aware of the early L's problems. The L arrived first, with the M following the second year. The M simply inherited the same congenital disorder that took 2 more years to clean up. The early L and M disasters put some CH's out of business, too. Also the corporation was as bad with them as they were with the early N's, not allowing the dealers to recall them. One north central Oklahoma dealer took matters into his own hands. ALL 1972-1973 L's and M's traded back in--were taken out of commission--salvaged only, but none ever allowed to go back to a farm or CH work intact. I am not sure what he did about the 1974 models, which were not a great deal better, but still showed some improvements. 1975 seemed to work okay, but the 1976 ones were what I knew to be free of all previous inherited malfunction and disorder. The first L2 and M2 debuted in 1977, though. The rest is history. Good combines!
 
I don't think that the older 00 and 20 Series Deere bines were as hard to work on as any 10 Series or 700/800 Series Massey-Fergusons. I am also a huge fan of the 20 Series [Titans] and I can not only testify to the fact that they were the finest combines ever manufactured by John Deere, but the ONLY ones I've ever seen to last over 13,000 hours!
 
No question at all to me . Take the 7700 . I've ran several L's and had a new L2 . I don't care what any book says the worst wore out 7700 will pack their lunch every time . The Deere isn't hard to work on you just need to understand what to do .
I have a 78 7700 & 8820 that we ran with a new R52 , R62 and a year old R52 .
None of the Gleaners could stay in the field with them .
Try putting a L or L2 in the field with a 9600 and see how it turns out
 
Thanks. To be clear I was aware of the L problems but not the M. Also, I may have said this before, if Allis would have put less eggs in the N series basket for a few years and more into their proven conventional combines like making a larger one they would have been much better off though Duetz probably would have taken over any way and thrown it all away.
 
First a 9600 is quite a bit larger and newer than an L2 so I would hope that would be the case. What were you combining in the same field as the R62? I really doubt your statement about an 8820 out running an R62 let alone the 7700 doing so is true.
 
The 8820 did out cut the R62 . But what I was saying the much older Deere combines stayed in the field doing their job while the portable out house roof's stopped regularly to get worked on . My point was try putting a 25 year old Gleaner against a new Deere and see how it turns out .
The Agco dealer brought the new 62 down to let area farmers ride in it . They told the guy we were cutting for either the 8820 had to leave or they were taking it home . The 88 was making it look that bad . He told them the 88 was staying he wanted his beans off .
 
Man this larry is so full of #hit he obviously has no clue. Just another one of those JD guys who think there it only one brand on the planet.
And the only time he chimes in on here is when he wants to bash another brand he needs to get a life!
Larry just to let you know they all make a good combine no matter what brand otherwise they would not have made any.
 
I saw forum about 7700's and it caught my eye, because I'am looking at buying one. I'am not sure what year it is the guy is asking $3,000 for it and says it runs great. It has a 404 gas motor in it( is that standard) a 15 foot grain head and pickup reel. Any advise or idea what to look for?
 
I don't bash other brands only gleaner and I have more than paid for that right . As far as not having a clue .I'll bet I've put a lot more hours running a combine than you have . My first combine was a gleaner G . The only bigger POS I ever owner was the new L2 I let the dealer talk me in to . The L2 didn't make it through the first year . I traded that POS on a 5 year old 7700 . I got over twice the combine with less than 10 % of the problems .
I would have had a Massey years ago except the dealer is to far .
Most likely the next combine I buy will be Red .
 
Wow you sound like a really nice loser I wish I could be more like you but I know for a fact I cant go that low.
 
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