9/2N and levers

[John Ayres]

I have a Howard trans on the right side of the tractor behind the trans. It does say England on the bottom of it externally. The lever on the left which this picture shows I can't find anything on the Smith site for. It changes the PTO speed with a neutral in between. Any idea who made this and what it was for? This tractor has a rototiller on it. The serial number is unreadable on the block. Can we use the oval beam to surmise this is a late 2N as the rear end wheels and pedals are 9/2N?

 

[Tiger Joe]

I just replied to your other thread. that looks just like a sherman lever.

 

[Anonymous-0]

The Shermans went in front of the Trans? This seems to effect only the PTO. Maybe I am not clear on Shermans?

 

[Tiger Joe]

The shermans effect EVERYTHING. gears and pto, because they go between the engine and trans

there are three types of shermans (most common types)

Step up- gives you 8 forward gears, 4 stock and 4 "overdrive"
Step down- 8 forward gears also, but 4 stock and 4 underdrive

Step up and down- combo of the two and the most popular. gives you 12 forward feeds and 3 reverse speeds.


try driving the tractor with that lever in different positions. if its effecting the PTO speed than its also effecting the tractor speed.

 

[John Ayres]

Sounds like a plan. From one pic on the Smith site it seems the hole for the lever is in a different spot. In any event any kind of Sherman is an added bonus and with the Howard it is quite a combo. As I have two postions with a neutral in the middle on this lever would it seem to be the combo? Lowest range for the rototiller would be underdrive Sherman and low range Howard to slow the tractor down to a crawl for the rototiller? How do you change the gear oil on these? You have to take the whole tractor apart to get to them? What would have made sense to use with the rototiller? As this is a 9/2N then it is just one less forward speed for your descriptions?

 

[Tiger Joe]

(quoted from post at 10:20:41 10/08/13) Sounds like a plan. From one pic on the Smith site it seems the hole for the lever is in a different spot. In any event any kind of Sherman is an added bonus and with the Howard it is quite a combo. As I have two postions with a neutral in the middle on this lever would it seem to be the combo? Lowest range for the rototiller would be underdrive Sherman and low range Howard to slow the tractor down to a crawl for the rototiller? How do you change the gear oil on these? You have to take the whole tractor apart to get to them? What would have made sense to use with the rototiller? As this is a 9/2N then it is just one less forward speed for your descriptions?

Sorry yes I was referring to the 4 speed 8n. if you only have a 3 speed tranny, this would give you 6 or 9.

two positions with neutral would be either step up or step down, not a combo. example- forward is step up, middle neutral, rear is normal.

if the trans is a combo step up and down, i believe straight foward and back is step up/down, and from neutral you can go to the left and back for the conventional stock tractor trans.

I believe, though im not 100%, that yes the shermans are sealed units and oil change would require tearing into the transmission.

and having two auxilary transmissions would make that tractor a rare beast for sure!

its thats a step up tran, you would have 6 forward speeds, 2 reverse speesd, and 2 PTO speeds from the sherman, the howard trans would give you the gear reduction for the tractor, no effect on the PTO

so i think you could have- 9 forward speeds, 3 reverse speeds, and 2 PTO speeds

 

[HCooke]

" How do you change the gear oil on these?"

You don't change the oil. They are splash lubed from the trans/hydraulic oil.

The trans, the hydraulics and the rear end are one common sump (three drain plugs and one fill plug) Takes a little less than 5 gallons.

With a sherman combo and a howard you have a very useful and unusual tractor.

 

[Tiger Joe]

In looking at your pic more and comparing it to the sherman page

http://www.oldfordtractors.com/sherman.htm

yours looks like the first pic, just someone painted the handle red

 

[John Ayres]

I was thinking that the lever style on the left I have is slightly different than the combo lever shown on the Smith web site. And where it comes out the side seems to differ from the combo pic on the Smith page which seems 3-4 inches further back towards the rear. The step up appears to be on the left side I can't tell what the lever for the step down would look like from their pictures shown. That style shifter is a 45 degree angle lever is significantly different than what I am showing on my left side. I have to guess I have a step up at this point however with a rototiller it would have made more sense to have a step down or creeper. I need to see if that collar pushes sideways at all for a combo as I have not tried that yet as it is not easily accesable right now.

 

[John Smith8N]

(quoted from post at 17:31:37 10/08/13) I was thinking that the lever style on the left I have is slightly different than the combo lever shown on the Smith web site. And where it comes out the side seems to differ from the combo pic on the Smith page which seems 3-4 inches further back towards the rear. The step up appears to be on the left side I can't tell what the lever for the step down would look like from their pictures shown. That style shifter is a 45 degree angle lever is significantly different than what I am showing on my left side. I have to guess I have a step up at this point however with a rototiller it would have made more sense to have a step down or creeper. I need to see if that collar pushes sideways at all for a combo as I have not tried that yet as it is not easily accesable right now.

You have a straight Sherman step-up (or step-down).

 

[souNdguy]

the sherman are pumped full of oil via thr front oil slinger thru the bearing.