9n ignition

Anonymous-0

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My 9n recently just cut off in mid-chore. I quickly found that the ballast resistor for 12-v conv. had broke in two. (It was old and corroded) I replaced the resistor but then had no fire out of the distributor but I did have fire to the coil. I swapped out distrib with one that had been working fine on another tractor, still no luck. Then I changed coils. Same problem. Also put new dist. cap on because although the old one had been working it was worn some. No spark out of distributor. What am I missing? I am thinking I need to rebuild a distrubutor but they both worked fine before so I am not sure that's it. Stumped.
 
First use a jumper wire to bypass the ignition switch and the resistor. Try to start but don't run for a long time. If it runs you know you problem is between the battery and the coil. If it still doesn't run then your problem is in the coil/dist.
 
Assuming that the points, condenser, bushings & advance weights are ok, the most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the frontmount are:

1 The insulator under the concave head screw.

2 The insulator at the end of the points where the copper strip attaches.

3 The copper strip grounded to the plate.

4 The condenser wire grounding.

5 The pigtail/tab not making contact.

6 Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground.

7 Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor.

I’ll assume that if you have a 50+ year old tractor that you have a test meter.

I have discovered that 75% of “no spark” problems on frontmounts are as a result of poorly aligned parts or wires & not parts failures. Remember, you are dealing w/ parts made over 50 years ago that have seen a lot of wear & tear. They just don’t fit together like they used to.


First, turn the key on & crank the engine while you look at the ammeter. What is it doing? If it fluctuates, that means your points are opening & closing. If it shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that means you need to do some more checking.


If the voltage never drops when the engine is cranking, that means the points are not closing or you have lost contact between the pigtail & the brass screw or the tab & the cap.

Next, check for continuity inside the distributor w/ a meter. It is very easy to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replaced the points. Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor that the coil pig tail does. The condenser wire goes the opening on the top right.

Next, with the distributor still off the tractor, install the coil. Look at the pigtail on the coil; is it touching the brass screw w/ the concave head inside of the distributor? Don’t trust your eyes; test for continuity from the top of the coil to the points. If you do not have continuity, stretch the pigtail a bit until you do. (some people would rather put a small washer under the brass screw) Make sure that the pigtail is not grounded to the clip that holds the distributor plate in place; sometimes you can move the plate while setting the timing & actually ground the pigtail. Your meter should tell you this even if your eyes don’t! Also, look at the little tab opposite of the pigtail; bend it a bit also to insure that it will contact the distributor cap. Another common failure point is the insulator in the tab on the distributor plate where the brass screw w/ the concave head goes; it holds the copper strip from the points. Again, your meter will usually tell you if you have a problem, but you might have to wiggle the copper strip a bit. Once you are sure that you have good continuity inside the distributor, you should be good to go.

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit (it’s easier to do this from the left side). The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.


As to the resistor, p/n 12250 or 12250B (the resistor on the terminal block) it should read .3 ohms cold & 1.7 ohms hot.


Post back w/ results & any other questions.
50 Tips
 
and with electronic ignition you get rid of alot of that 75%. I am just saying. I got to go now. I have to go haul some logs out of the woods.
 
Actually, you get rid of items 1 to 4. Which, if they are problems, are easily fixed. In another sense, problems w/ an EI are also easily fixed as well; just get another$160 module!
 
Hi Bruce My 9n lost all spark , It was starting and running fine , After a 3 hour park it failed to start and would not produce any spark , The coil tests ok --so I have purchased a new roter; condenser; points and dist,cap ; (it has been converted to 12volt some years before I bought it ) . I see from other comments that the best way to install the replacement parts is to remove the entire distributer and then reinstall with new parts in place --my question is --whats the proceedure for doing the removal of disttributer unit and are gaskets affected etc --what effect if any on firing alighnment etc , please advise proceedure/cautions etc thanks Ted
 
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