9n wont start

Hello, Ive been picking away at the 9n I got durning the summer. When I bought it it had no spark. I bought new coil and wiring. I had the hood and gas tank off for the wiring and work on it. As soon as I put the coil on and new plugs and wiring I rolled it over and it fired up but without the gas tank on it not for long. I thought it was because of the lack of gas it didnt run for long.
I got the gas tank back on and tried it again. It fired and ran for a second or two. While trying to start it I did not smell any gas like it was flooding or getting gas. I adjusted the jets to one turn out like the book tells. Still no running. I took the carb off and took apart and boiled it out put it back together with same parts and still wont run except when I give it a shot of starter fluid. I even tried what I read here on the forum about setting the screws at 1.5 turns out and still no starting.
Where do I go from here. A complete rebuild of the carb. Any suggesstions? thanks in advance with the help.
 
It is important for you to tell us if your tractor has a 6 volt or 12 volt electrical system. The troubleshooting is different based upon the configuration of your engine.



It takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem down to spark or fuel.

I know you think it's a fuel problem, but from your description, it could easily be a spark problem.

There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16” ( ¼” is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.

As soon as it stops, check quickly for fuel then spark. When I say quickly, grab the tools & do it right then. Do not wait a minute or two. First, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem. So, next, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16” gap, you probably don’t have a spark problem. If it won’t jump the 3/16” gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn’t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38)

If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn’t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don’t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don’t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don’t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That’s why removing the bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to do it. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ¼” in the open air, so that's why you need to use a spark plug. Or, a store bought plug checker (on the left in the picture). Remember, it’s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running.
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Mark........keep yer itchy-twitchy fingers off'n them handy-dandy carb tweek-ums. It aint'chur carb, ittz'chur sparkies.

While BOTH Ford and Marvel/Schleber say to set the carb screws to 1-turn as a starting point, that is just a WAG ballpark number. Heres the way I do it and it works. Adjust the down-pointing mainjet to 2-turns and LEAVITT!!!

Then with engine running, (obviously) adjust the side-pointing idlemix for fastest idle, NOT SMOOTHEST idle, fastest understand??? Then adjust the behind the carb idlespeed for an incredibly SLOOOooow 400rpms. (ennythang under 500rps is close'nuff) repete that song'n'dance at least 4-times always adjusting for FASTEST IDLE.

Remember the side-pointing idlemix is BASSACKWARDS; out for lean, IN for ENRICH. The last time I adjusted my easy starting 6V 52-8N, my idlemix was 1/4-turn and idle rpms was 435rpms on new proofmeter. It can be done. ........Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister
 
Thanks guys for the speedy replies. I have spark but Im not sure it will jump 3/16 but I will check that. And I will check the gas flow also.
The only thing I didnt understand was about using the jumper wire to jump the switch? dont know what you suggest. thanks, again. It may be this weekend before I have a chance to get back at it But would like to know about the jumper wire as I can get a couple gator clips and make it up ifin I knew what to do with it.
 
Connect one end of the jumper wire to one terminal of the switch and the other end of the jumper wire to other side of the switch. This eliminates the ig switch as the casue of your troubles. This is a diagonistic test. Don't leave it hooked up this way - you will burn the points and coil.
 
well I was able to spend some time with the 9n. I took the carb apart again a boiled it out and used spray cleaner in every hole in it put new gaskets in it and put it back together along with new elbow strainer and new strainer in sediment bowl. Still no joy. I then took the distributer out and apart checked the 15 thousants gap it was right on. I had just put new cap rotor points and wires along with plugs in it. I did notice some small brass particules in the cap from the rotor spinning in it. Put it back together and checked the spark by pulling #4 boot off and inserting a screw driver and holding it at least 1/4 inch from top of plug. wup got at least 3/16 blue spark.
One thing I dont know about is gas flow. I added 3 gallons of gas and when I was putting the sediment bowl back on I could not get it to fill proper without loosening the bowl to allow air to escape. So Im wondering about that. I can get it to start with starting fluid but only momentarily.
thanks for all the help as I try to get this ford to run.
 
(quoted from post at 11:48:10 11/03/10) well I was able to spend some time with the 9n. I took the carb apart again a boiled it out and used spray cleaner in every hole in it put new gaskets in it and put it back together along with new elbow strainer and new strainer in sediment bowl. Still no joy. I then took the distributer out and apart checked the 15 thousants gap it was right on. I had just put new cap rotor points and wires along with plugs in it. I did notice some small brass particules in the cap from the rotor spinning in it. Put it back together and checked the spark by pulling #4 boot off and inserting a screw driver and holding it at least 1/4 inch from top of plug. wup got at least 3/16 blue spark.
One thing I dont know about is gas flow. I added 3 gallons of gas and when I was putting the sediment bowl back on I could not get it to fill proper without loosening the bowl to allow air to escape. So Im wondering about that. I can get it to start with starting fluid but only momentarily.
thanks for all the help as I try to get this ford to run.

Did you follow Dave from TX advice, "My guess is that you are not getting a good flow of gas. Take the plug out and see if you get a good stream for at lease 30 sec."?
Don't be at all concerned with air in sediment bowl.
 
Ya I checked that also, Im not sure it was all that good of a stream. It came out good for the first 5 seconds then it tapered off somewhat. I thought it may have been a airlock situation. Maybe its not getting enough gas. The only screen I did not replace was the one in the tank. I guess I will pull the line to the carb off and turn the bowl on and see if its full flow there. I even tried getting it running on starting fluid then squirting gas in the open intake but that didnt help to keep it running. thanks for the reply.
 
" It came out good for the first 5 seconds then it tapered off somewhat. I thought it may have been a airlock situation. Maybe its not getting enough gas. "

Scroll down to my response to you on Monday. Re-read the part that says "Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem. "

Did you not understand that?

" ....it may have been a airlock situation."

Keep reading for the answer to that one: " remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked."

As JMOR said, don't worry about the sediment bowl not filling. Put the bowl back on & hand tighten the thumb screw. Turn the gas on & look at the bowl. If it starts to fill the bowl, turn the gas off & start over; it has a leak. You will know it's sealed when gas does not flow into the bowl w/ the engine off. It won't fill with the bowl securely on because the float has closed the needle valve in the carb and there is nowhere for the air in the bowl to escape. (assuming the carb bowl is full) When the engine is started the needle valve will open and the trapped air will escape through the carb vent. If you loosen the bowl, it will fill.....and leak.
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