Antique evolution

[colekicker]

I think everyone has to agree that this hobby or ours is evolving. It has been evolving since it began. Everyone I know is pushing the limits, tweaking and trying to get every little bit of power out of their tractor. Those that aren't are whining when they don't win. But safety should be our main concern.

So the discussion on the re-cast parts got me to thinking. What about re-cast crankshafts? Would those be illegal parts? Or are they out of sight, out of mind?

What is fair? If you allow re-cast heads and blocks for one brand, why not another?

Does the material they are cast from really matter?

If a crank is re-cast with better materials than 55 years ago, is that a better option for everyone? It would definitely be safer because of the technology we have now. Wouldn't it also make it safer for the spectators? Who really wants shrapnel flying around the track?

What about connecting rods? Those are being machined? Are they outside of this rule?

And I haven't even touched on high-lift roller rockers!

It just seems like a really fine line in the sand. Honestly, I can't see the difference in any of those examples above.

Post away....

 

[Massey farmer]

I think about it a different way, by the time you buy recast blocks, heads, etc, your almost better off getting out of antiques and into a newer class for not much more money. Right now the pulls that bring in a crowd travel with the smokers and four wheel drive trucks. Street diesels seem to be most popular right now. You could put together a tractor for a lower class that pulls that circuit vs a built up M that pulls infront of fewer and fewer people. It's not much longer before antique pulls start getting dropped and substituted for other types of pulling that the promoter thinks will bring in more people like your summer festivals and county fairs. Even garden tractors and mini rods are really taking off with faster action and pulls only taking half the time. People don't want to wait five hours for a pull to get over. What kills it is the same stock tractors pulling over and over and over again because people loose interest unless they know one of the pullers. So on the topic of recast parts and what should be allowed, I hope that the newest parts needed to compete don't price people out of the sport and into a new one.

 

[LW]

Only OEM tractor crank I've seen that was cast is the gas fords.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Antique pulling has the most abundant rules of any motorsport
. abundant rules will always makes it the most expensive sport
. Even the guys that for years was promoting small cubic
inch engines with reused repurposed parts . Has moved to
new modified recast parts.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 08:32:26 03/14/14) Antique pulling has the most abundant rules of any motorsport
. abundant rules will always makes it the most expensive sport
. Even the guys that for years was promoting small cubic
inch engines with reused repurposed parts . Has moved to
new modified recast parts.

recast stuff will soon bring in the clone rule as it has with the jr dragster blocks like I have posted on this site currently. I also believe it will bring the end to cheap old builds using old repurposed parts from other makes if one is to be competitive . Just proves what I was forecasting for the sport in 2009. He with deepest pockets win events.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 08:32:26 03/14/14) Antique pulling has the most abundant rules of any motorsport
. abundant rules will always makes it the most expensive sport
. Even the guys that for years was promoting small cubic
inch engines with reused repurposed parts . Has moved to
new modified recast parts.

recast stuff will soon bring in the clone rule as it has with the jr dragster blocks like I have posted on this site currently. I also believe it will bring the end to cheap old builds using old repurposed parts from other makes if one is to be competitive . Just proves what I was forecasting for the sport in 2009. He with deepest pockets win events.

 

[Anonymous-0]

nope point is your cleaning out house of repurposed outdated past not capable of wining pulling parts under the cheap way to compete .for the recast parts the sport demands to be competitive.

 

[MMfan]

Why are you screwing with him over semantics? He's on your
side with the new parts. You understand what he's trying to
say don't you? New improved parts are better than old hogged
out, cobbled up parts. It's plain and simple. They're not for
everyone with a stock tractor for sure. They are for big motor
tractors in open/ Div V type classes, and you personally stand
to have financial gain with these parts. Again why would you
screw with someone on your side, and a potential customer for
your new heads. Sounds counter productive to me.

 

[H-66]

Pankey made a very good point about the abundant rules in antique tractor pulling. Here in Wisconsin there are far too many variations in the rules from event to event. This is exactly why the diesel classes are everywhere. They form there club rules so they can tech the tractors and make 20 hooks in a season minimum. Some also try to make the rules consistent with other clubs so the pullers can make a few extra hooks on off weekends.
Thanks,
Jim Henke

 

[jon aller]

There are already brand new cranks on the market and running in tractors. I have been told that Volbracht's M&W stoker is cast, but I don't know for sure. There are multi piece billet units made by G-Tool that are performing very well.

That is just the stuff that I know of in Antiques. The big smokers and alcohol tractors have billet options for almost everything.

 

[wi50]

(quoted from post at 17:00:49 03/14/14) Why are you screwing with him over semantics? He's on your
side with the new parts. You understand what he's trying to
say don't you? New improved parts are better than old hogged
out, cobbled up parts. It's plain and simple. They're not for
everyone with a stock tractor for sure. They are for big motor
tractors in open/ Div V type classes, and you personally stand
to have financial gain with these parts. Again why would you
screw with someone on your side, and a potential customer for
your new heads. Sounds counter productive to me.

I absolutly know that. I wasn't screwing with him, I was trying to be nice saying "don't take this as an insult....but those items are available".

Like I say, I was being nice about it, then if someone wants to come back and beat their chest that they have XXXX posts I find it amusing. They likely don't know crap about the subject......but they have lots of posts...... oh yes, they must in fact be an expert. Read the original post in this thread. He thinks it's OK, that's great. But he doesn't know that the things he's asking about are available.

Like I say, I tried to be nice.

Seriously, what investment does it take to make a post? It takes a few seconds to several minutes...that's it. What qualifications would a fellow have to poses in order to make a post on the internet? Education? Prior experience? Backround?

There's a lot of people with to many posts and not enough knowledge........look I can have 4000 posts, but I still tried to start my tractor in gear from the ground......I know people who have 0 posts that are smart enough to NEVER do that......but hey at least someone can pride themselves on post count.


I'm sorry, I was just amusing myself again.

 

[case 1175 puller]

Most of the big tractor classes have cubic inch limits and or turbo size limits, not saying that makes it cheap, but they have limits.

 

[Bryan Lively]

Cranks, rods, etc. don't worry me. It's the clutch/flywheel assemblies that worry me.

There's a finite number of original parts left. The market will dictate need for newly casted replacement parts.

By my definition a abundant rule set (a highly complex set) is going to spawn more cost. Look at some of the divisional classes in NHRA and the complex rule sets in play there, or in the PPL/NTPA where the "economy" Super Farm class isn't economical at all considering the constraints put on head/turbo/pump. To play in Super Farm you start at 150K, and thats not counting turbo and pump repairs in the season.

Every class, save for a bone stock, barnyard class, evolves in this sport. If you put the costs of every other class on a graph, the costs would curve nearly the same, save for any "money-saving" rule change in a class. The money level would vary, but the curves would be very similar.

If someone were assemble a farm stock 1/Division 1 style tractor with a billet crank, aluminum rods and custom billet pistons, that would seem to be legal. I've never seen a rule set in play that would prevent that and who has the time to tear somebody down to check those components. It would simply be overkill.

Again, we have a finite number of parts available, and aftermarket replacement heads/blocks/etc. will be necessary for the long term health of antique pulling. The biggest problem is getting kids involved and keeping them involved...thats our BIG problem, not bickering over the legality of a new head for a moline.

Don't forget about April 5th in Russellville, KY...ad is in the new HOOK, and Ill post it...and the Columbia ad, in the next couple days.

 

[H-66]

Correct. They have specific limits and everyone knows what they can build. Yes it is expensive but it evens the playing field. With the antique stuff it seems like if you want to compete you either have to stay bone stock in classes that only allow wheel weights or spend as much on a motor as the diesel classes do.
Jim Henke

 

[Bryan Lively]

Deep pockets winning is the third oldest story in the world no matter the competition or event. The narrative for pulling goes that engine X or combination X can be built and compete at a reasonable cost and the early adopters use it...others find out, adopt it too, and spend a little more to improve the product...a few years later that setup is the most expensive thing going. Look at the evolution of the 460/560...pull the stock motor, put in a 301...gains there. The 301 is soon expanded to its' limits and gets costly and the rd becomes an option in some places. Then the 400 series diesel comes in...both of which engine setups are escalating in price now too.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 13:53:27 03/14/14) Deep pockets winning is the third oldest story in the world no matter the competition or event. The narrative for pulling goes that engine X or combination X can be built and compete at a reasonable cost and the early adopters use it...others find out, adopt it too, and spend a little more to improve the product...a few years later that setup is the most expensive thing going. Look at the evolution of the 460/560...pull the stock motor, put in a 301...gains there. The 301 is soon expanded to its' limits and gets costly and the rd becomes an option in some places. Then the 400 series diesel comes in...both of which engine setups are escalating in price now too.

Do you know the prices of the engines in the tractors that you take pictures of and feature in your magazine because they are winning? Some upwards of 20 grand.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 10:01:57 03/14/14)

(quoted from post at 17:00:49 03/14/14) Why are you screwing with him over semantics? He's on your
side with the new parts. You understand what he's trying to
say don't you? New improved parts are better than old hogged
out, cobbled up parts. It's plain and simple. They're not for
everyone with a stock tractor for sure. They are for big motor
tractors in open/ Div V type classes, and you personally stand
to have financial gain with these parts. Again why would you
screw with someone on your side, and a potential customer for
your new heads. Sounds counter productive to me.

I absolutly know that. I wasn't screwing with him, I was trying to be nice saying "don't take this as an insult....but those items are available".

Like I say, I was being nice about it, then if someone wants to come back and beat their chest that they have XXXX posts I find it amusing. They likely don't know crap about the subject......but they have lots of posts...... oh yes, they must in fact be an expert. Read the original post in this thread. He thinks it's OK, that's great. But he doesn't know that the things he's asking about are available.

Like I say, I tried to be nice.

Seriously, what investment does it take to make a post? It takes a few seconds to several minutes...that's it. What qualifications would a fellow have to poses in order to make a post on the internet? Education? Prior experience? Backround?

There's a lot of people with to many posts and not enough knowledge........look I can have 4000 posts, but I still tried to start my tractor in gear from the ground......I know people who have 0 posts that are smart enough to NEVER do that......but hey at least someone can pride themselves on post count.
So your heartburn for me is that the forum attached tractor expert to my login . It all makes since now. Chris please put expert on wi login so he quits poughting .his poughting has went on for enough years.

I'm sorry, I was just amusing myself again.

 

[Bryan Lively]

In fact I do, and your point
is....?
Engine X or combination X didn't
start at 20k...it evolved to that
through market demand and able
suppliers for those products. A
willing buyer and a willing builder
drives costs and evolution of
classes.

 

[jd plowboy]

my 570 moline had reused parts on it and no one that pulled with me could out pull it. it wasnt 20K but it was bad a$$

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 16:39:19 03/14/14) In fact I do, and your point
is....?
Engine X or combination X didn't
start at 20k...it evolved to that
through market demand and able
suppliers for those products. A
willing buyer and a willing builder
drives costs and evolution of
classes.

my point is abundant rules drives cost up. The antique motors cost the same to be competitive as the small block v8 tractor builds. You can buy a hendrick nascar motor less intake for 40 grand . Nascar has fairly tight engine rules. When I tell some of the guys who own machine shops like mine and run in my circles here in tn hear what I get for a 440 inch allis they reply thats what we sell 430 sb2.2s for.Dirt track that uses a sb2 430 has a stricter engine rule than antique tractor pulling does. Figure that one out.

 

[Bryan Lively]

Economics. What's physical demand
in real numbers for a SBC vs. an AC
engine? Apples and oranges. I'm
done debating. Debate with yourself
all you wish.

 

[Anonymous-0]

If you want to be a better athlete, you practice & train in you sport of choice. If you want to be more competative in a motorsport, you buy better parts! All things evolve, thats what turns the world. If you cant afford it, then get out or just be happy with what you have. I pull div 2t because thats what my pockets let me, someday i'd like to move up but till then im happy in 2t. Im not going to complain if some one spent the money to build a better tractor then mine! Good for them, makes it that much rewarding when i win!!

 

[wi50]

There's alwayse guys who will spend $30,000 to run in a 4mph class.......and there's guys who can spend $3000 to do the same thing.

The lesson here is that there's alwayse someone much more intellegent than you who will spend much less money and kick your tail. I think a few of you haven't accepted that reality yet.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 20:12:48 03/14/14) There's alwayse guys who will spend $30,000 to run in a 4mph class.......and there's guys who can spend $3000 to do the same thing.

The lesson here is that there's alwayse someone much more intellegent than you who will spend much less money and kick your tail. I think a few of you haven't accepted that reality yet.

grand will not kick anyones tail around here. I know because I have trator expert after my login name . I am not complaining about recast parts. I use all the new stuff to. Just pointing out a fellow who started out on here advocating small cubic inches and used repurposed parts for cheap builds has aligned himself more with my logic now than he did when he came on here a few years ago . Its only been a few years you can tell by his long time user under his login .

 

[Curt Courtney]

I think some people want to win so bad that they will spend a lifes savings to it I am going to pull Div II like the other guy said would like to do bigger but pockets are not deep enough so if the so called evolution is keeping people from competing and joining the sport is this really an evolution at all or is it just the beginning of the end for a great event

 

[wi50]

Well ar least you quoted me, but you were still to dumb to read.......

If a guy is intellegent, and builds his own engine to run in a 4mph class, $3000 goes a very long way depending on what he does himself.

Lets just say I spent $1000 to stroke a crank to 6", I took some Farmall H rods, they are much stronger than the Buda rods you used spankey and offer a better rod ratio. I do the rod work myself, I make sleeves myself, I bore the block and install them myself, I spend $200 grinding the cam. I spend $150 on valves and parts for the cylinder head but I cut the seats, bowls and do the port work myself......I have to buy a decent set of pistons and rings, bur I find a deal on something thar will work........I port a manifold myself, I buy a carb core and build a carb myself.....

see, someone with intellegance and ambition can kick tail and not spend to much at it.....I rember you thanking everyone you hired to build your engine and pay to do it. Didn't it blow up right away?


You can't even degree a cam. the puller who actually puts a little thought into his engine is miles ahead of you. I know you can't degree a cam, you argued for weeks that the offset of a bushing is the same no matter how far from center it is positioned.....basic geometry you dolt. And when I say a little thought, I mean correct thought provess, not listening to you that if short rods are better, then ultra short is better yet......or rember the time you that you could pull ait through a carb faster than the speed of sound?.....how about telling that guy to run an 1150 Holley on his engine...yeah, that'll make torque on an engine requiring about 180 cfm of air.

I know you quit pulling because of shame and disapointment. But you don't have to try and convince everyone that they can't do things themselves. I sell engines and parts all over the country. Some guys will spend $10,000 and some will spend $2000 to upgrade what they have. In fact I sold a complete engine to a fella doing all kinds of winning IN YOUR AREA. It didn't cost him much.

Then there's the guy that thinks he needs to spend $30,000 to run in that same 4mph class. So he spent that money and just does average. He's mad because someone who built their own rig does a little better on average. He's mad now that there's a new cylinder head available, but not for his tractor..........well he wasn't bright enough in the first place to either build something better, or build something himself.

And take the guy with a union job, he makes $39 an hour and reads magazines in the break room. He thinks he knows everything, he has a lot of time and makes a lot of posts. His ego tells him he's an expert, but the guy is to stupid to conduct himself in a safe manner. He tried to buy his engines and wrecked them, got laughed at. He thought he'd build one, got laughed at so he quit. Shame and disappointment my little buddy, shame and disappointment.

We didn't evolve to new re cast parts by quitting and talking big on the internet. We cot there because a few people were willing to work harder than the others.....some of the others are upset, some are jealous, some are happy they can buy better parts.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 06:19:52 03/15/14) Well ar least you quoted me, but you were still to dumb to read.......

If a guy is intellegent, and builds his own engine to run in a 4mph class, $3000 goes a very long way depending on what he does himself.

Lets just say I spent $1000 to stroke a crank to 6", I took some Farmall H rods, they are much stronger than the Buda rods you used spankey and offer a better rod ratio. I do the rod work myself, I make sleeves myself, I bore the block and install them myself, I spend $200 grinding the cam. I spend $150 on valves and parts for the cylinder head but I cut the seats, bowls and do the port work myself......I have to buy a decent set of pistons and rings, bur I find a deal on something thar will work........I port a manifold myself, I buy a carb core and build a carb myself.....

see, someone with intellegance and ambition can kick tail and not spend to much at it.....I rember you thanking everyone you hired to build your engine and pay to do it. Didn't it blow up right away?


You can't even degree a cam. the puller who actually puts a little thought into his engine is miles ahead of you. I know you can't degree a cam, you argued for weeks that the offset of a bushing is the same no matter how far from center it is positioned.....basic geometry you dolt. And when I say a little thought, I mean correct thought provess, not listening to you that if short rods are better, then ultra short is better yet......or rember the time you that you could pull ait through a carb faster than the speed of sound?.....how about telling that guy to run an 1150 Holley on his engine...yeah, that'll make torque on an engine requiring about 180 cfm of air.

I know you quit pulling because of shame and disapointment. But you don't have to try and convince everyone that they can't do things themselves. I sell engines and parts all over the country. Some guys will spend $10,000 and some will spend $2000 to upgrade what they have. In fact I sold a complete engine to a fella doing all kinds of winning IN YOUR AREA. It didn't cost him much.

Then there's the guy that thinks he needs to spend $30,000 to run in that same 4mph class. So he spent that money and just does average. He's mad because someone who built their own rig does a little better on average. He's mad now that there's a new cylinder head available, but not for his tractor..........well he wasn't bright enough in the first place to either build something better, or build something himself.

And take the guy with a union job, he makes $39 an hour and reads magazines in the break room. He thinks he knows everything, he has a lot of time and makes a lot of posts. His ego tells him he's an expert, but the guy is to stupid to conduct himself in a safe manner. He tried to buy his engines and wrecked them, got laughed at. He thought he'd build one, got laughed at so he quit. Shame and disappointment my little buddy, shame and disappointment.

We didn't evolve to new re cast parts by quitting and talking big on the internet. We cot there because a few people were willing to work harder than the others.....some of the others are upset, some are jealous, some are happy they can buy better parts.

its still costing you just like does me to do one . My time is money. So I am going to close giving you two tips time is money and the second one to reduce your poughting is instead of writing a essay every post just use a paragraph leading into inteended responce you want for a reply to post the next paragraph. Manipulation is wonderful oops three tips . Everyone kows now you cant machine your own parts you couldnt even reply on what speed to cut cast iron when clap daddy asked for help. Still building engines for others but if I was building onend for myshelf every machine I use for myshelf is costs me theoritically cause thats run time of the machine and I know what I charge to run a specific job , bore , valve grind etc.

 

[wi50]

I gave him a speed........you need to read and a distinct number is right there.

If time is money then why is your time worth less than mine if you think you're an expert? Explain that one.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 06:56:50 03/15/14)
I gave him a speed........you need to read and a distinct number is right there.

If time is money then why is your time worth less than mine if you think you're an expert? Explain that one.

no need the date and time you posted it explains that you replied after I called you on it after clamp daddy already replied that he had done it. I see your giving my advice I gave you . To get a machinist handbook. You still mad about finding a 11/16 bolt in it

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 06:56:50 03/15/14)
I gave him a speed........you need to read and a distinct number is right there.

If time is money then why is your time worth less than mine if you think you're an expert? Explain that one.

no need
the date and time you posted it explains that you replied after I called you on it after clamp daddy already replied that he had done it.

 

[wi50]

couple days ago I told him to aim for 450 sfpm....go look.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 06:56:50 03/15/14)
I gave him a speed........you need to read and a distinct number is right there.

If time is money then why is your time worth less than mine if you think you're an expert? Explain that one.

no need
the date and time you posted it explains that you replied after I called you on it after clamp daddy already replied that he had done it.

 

[wi50]

hey, speaking of those rods, they are the same ones you used......they sure ain't worth much. Good thing he gave 8 for free and not 6, cause I sure didn't want to pay anything for them.

So if I got them for free, they are the same Buda rod you had to buy and destroy thousands of dollars of other parts and work....tell me why my time is worth more than yours?

You worked many, many hours at $39 an hour to buy those rods and build a motor. Those rods destroyed your engine and thousands of $$$$ of other parts.....plus add the value of your bruised ego.

I got the same parts for free....just because I'm a nice guy. Maybe I flow tested a carbuerator or something...I really don't know or care.

If a guy does the economics on that my time is worth much more than yours.....Or maybe I'm just smart enough to use the parts where they belong and build a good engine and not a timebomb.

Time really isn't money. It's what you do with your time that counts. That's why I'm going to let you ponder this and go work on the alky super stock...some kid watching in the stands is going to get inspired to become something more than a broom pusher at the nuke.

Edit: I'm not saying certain rods or parts are junk, I'm saying all parts have their limitations, use them in applications where they are sufficient for the job.

 

[778899m]

It takes more than a machine shop,new parts,money and fancy hauler,pit vehicle and fashionable pulling clothes.It takes passion,and a complete comprehensive program of abilities,I.E.,track reading ability,experience,insight on your tractors balance needs in relationship to a specific situation. Not so much in the unlimited,open and alky classes,but in MPH classes,being "ONE" with the tractor is of utmost importance to be consistent and competitive. Having fun,being lucky and good helps too. LOL Part of my 35 year pulling history of fun,making friends and winning more than my share,has been to beat the big,new,fancy and of questionable within the rules ????????, ---- with my cheap,older,unpainted equipment.

 

[Mopower]

Good post. I don't always beat expensive tractors. Wait. Yes I do. With smaller tires, less engine, and a smile. Dad & I threw together what we had, DH swapped some parts & dynoed it, I played with hitch length, tire pressure, got good tread cut, and consistently beat much nicer tractors as a barely above average driver in 4-5mph. It's usually not 1st place, but hey, probably $2500 invested. With a few improvements in air flow, ignition, and 1/8in more bore, AC and I hope for a 15-20hp jump.

 

[jd plowboy]

if your time is money panky then the bull$hit you put on here has run your money to nothing and your time to everything. if anyone has sense about them they wont take anything to you to get machined or worked on, and yes i dont know half the stuff most are talking about on here but from the ones talking i know who to spend money with and its sure not you. i am in construction and when you see a guy that says he knows everything and is a expert he really doesnt know his butt from a hole in the ground. seen that with a guy that said he could operate a cat grader and when he got in the seat first thing out his mouth was where is the key switch. what a expert he was. more like a genius

 

[molineman]

Well, I had something to say but JDP said it before me so,,
X2 on what he said and WI50 too.

 

[smoking Minnie]

That is the best statement I have ever read!

 

[Anonymous-0]

Pank there is nothing you can say in defense ...... You have
been told. The only thing that can possibly keep you going is
your active deniability of reality. Marty has backed everything
up time and time again, and yet you fail to produce, constantly.
You can't do anything. Heck you can't claim engine blocks that
you previously claimed before. If you had, do or are gonna do
anything, you'd have been alot more upfront about it. It's not
hard to post pics on here. Marty does it all the time. Oh yeah
that motor that came from him IN YOUR AREA , has helped
that guy win plenty of firsts already. WHAT HAVE YOU
DONE?
And the thing about it is that we ( Allis pullers) would have
treated you like we treat everyone else but your attitude and
ego have alienated you from everyone, even people who pull
who live by you. ( they don't like you either) I have sold parts
to people in your neck of the woods. They say they avoid you
like AIDS. Is EVERYONE out to get you or is it just you? Do
you really think I like constantly squashing your BS posts on
here? No! Do I like telling you that I think your ramblings make
you sound dillusional ? NO! But damn dude, do a self
evaluation....it's just getting to the point where it's sad. MY
FRIEND STARTED A FREAKING FB SITE TO GET AWAY
FROM YOUR YT BS....yes, because of your trolling. Chill out
before its too late for your own good, man.

Btw not to get off track but I think the tighter the rules the more
it costs. Open rules leave room for ingenuity Ingenuity can
save alot of $$.

 

[patrickmull]

(quoted from post at 03:05:55 03/16/14) Pank there is nothing you can say in defense ...... You have
been told. The only thing that can possibly keep you going is
your active deniability of reality. Marty has backed everything
up time and time again, and yet you fail to produce, constantly.
You can't do anything. Heck you can't claim engine blocks that
you previously claimed before. If you had, do or are gonna do
anything, you'd have been alot more upfront about it. It's not
hard to post pics on here. Marty does it all the time. Oh yeah
that motor that came from him IN YOUR AREA , has helped
that guy win plenty of firsts already. WHAT HAVE YOU
DONE?
And the thing about it is that we ( Allis pullers) would have
treated you like we treat everyone else but your attitude and
ego have alienated you from everyone, even people who pull
who live by you. ( they don't like you either) I have sold parts
to people in your neck of the woods. They say they avoid you
like AIDS. Is EVERYONE out to get you or is it just you? Do
you really think I like constantly squashing your BS posts on
here? No! Do I like telling you that I think your ramblings make
you sound dillusional ? NO! But damn dude, do a self
evaluation....it's just getting to the point where it's sad. MY
FRIEND STARTED A FREAKING FB SITE TO GET AWAY
FROM YOUR YT BS....yes, because of your trolling. Chill out
before its too late for your own good, man.

Btw not to get off track but I think the tighter the rules the more
it costs. Open rules leave room for ingenuity Ingenuity can
save alot of $$.

x2 he has ran this site in the ground with his BS its not good for for YT or for the members on here he tried on other sites and got kicked off for good that fourm settled down get rid of him on here and it will calm down here also

 

[MMfan]

(quoted from post at 12:01:57 03/14/14)

(quoted from post at 17:00:49 03/14/14) Why are you screwing with him over semantics? He's on your
side with the new parts. You understand what he's trying to
say don't you? New improved parts are better than old hogged
out, cobbled up parts. It's plain and simple. They're not for
everyone with a stock tractor for sure. They are for big motor
tractors in open/ Div V type classes, and you personally stand
to have financial gain with these parts. Again why would you
screw with someone on your side, and a potential customer for
your new heads. Sounds counter productive to me.

I absolutly know that. I wasn't screwing with him, I was trying to be nice saying "don't take this as an insult....but those items are available".



Like I say, I was being nice about it, then if someone wants to come back and beat their chest that they have XXXX posts I find it amusing. They likely don't know crap about the subject......but they have lots of posts...... oh yes, they must in fact be an expert. Read the original post in this thread. He thinks it's OK, that's great. But he doesn't know that the things he's asking about are available.

Like I say, I tried to be nice.

Seriously, what investment does it take to make a post? It takes a few seconds to several minutes...that's it. What qualifications would a fellow have to poses in order to make a post on the internet? Education? Prior experience? Backround?

There's a lot of people with to many posts and not enough knowledge........look I can have 4000 posts, but I still tried to start my tractor in gear from the ground......I know people who have 0 posts that are smart enough to NEVER do that......but hey at least someone can pride themselves on post count.


I'm sorry, I was just amusing myself again.

I get what you are saying, posts don't make you smart, but you had to understand his point. Amusing yourself at someone else's expense when they are on your side is ridiculous. In my view it makes you seem dumb or just an a-hole. Good luck with the heads. Hopefully you turn a small profit with them.