Best Puller 3000-3500 class ??? Opinions???

[770]

Ok guys, here we go. Best puller for 3000-3500lb class. Let's say like what you would call Div 2? IH? JD? Oliver?

 

[6pack]

Ford 960 with 38" rubber, and of course bored and stroked, Oliver 66 would also be good, friend has one with 65hp and waxes some AC butt

 

[Ericac826]

Other than a 66set Oliver an allis is hard to beat in those waits and id dare to say could beat the Oliver money for money and probably for less money with the allis

 

[Mopower]

Minneapolis Moline R. Torque monster, light & can get much lighter, comes on light 38" rubber, 227 cubes with just a bore job, easy engine to work on, and best of all: cheap & interchangeable with other MM.


IH 230 is a little monster, but hard to find. Super C maybe easier.
Oliver 66 can crank some power and doesn't weigh much.
Not sure of a Deere. The H or LA is tiny and light but a dog. A stripped unstyled B?
Case VAC are plentiful and small.
A TE20 or TO20 Fergy has some great potential.
An Allis RC is quite rare, but can build some good power for Div2.

 

[RichB]

.....Or slip in a U302 engine in if rules allow you to ditch the side valve engine common to the MM R/Z tractors.I'm sure its been done.

 

[770]

Oh no..... pick one..... How many horses from a MM R?

 

[770]

What Allis weighs 3000 ?

 

[Mopower]

If you just run the 206 crank with an 1/8"+.060 overbore with no ignition mod, compression, or tweaks, you can probably get 42-45 ponies no problem. I know bored ZB (same engine) was getting 52+. My buddies old R with port work and 3.875 bore (too thin) was cranking 65 at slightly enhanced rpm.

(If it wasn't for NATPA rules, you can bolt in a stock 66hp HD220 and go to town. The sky is the limit on those buggers. Thats what good heads do for you.)

 

[Anonymous-0]

My wc is heavy and it weights 3159.w a 250 lb driver

 

[VicS]

It seems Eugene Sellers 230 IHC is the baddest in the land! Then there is a little Styled JD B and a whole bunch of WC's and one RC . Then a few 900 960 Ford's. And finally my little 435 JD is at the bottom of the pile. LOL Vic

 

[RichB]

(quoted from post at 00:07:34 10/21/11) What Allis weighs 3000 ?

here are a few in my area that can make 3000lbs...I believe they are WC models...but I`m partial to Olivers so I would choose a super 66.I run a 77 in 3500lb and up and it could get lighter but you wouldn`t have much movable weight.

 

[Ericac826]

My wc will make 3000 lb I weigh 215 lbs it"s got 13.6 38 tires on it and synod 53 hP with mainly just a 45 crank and cam ground no big money in it still has the original block

 

[SouthernFarmall]

I'll say a Farmall Super C. A Farmall H would be strong, too, if you could lighten it up in all the right places.

SF

 

[PitCrew]

It"s pretty easy tp make 65-70 HP on a 900 without stroking the 172. If you can find a 192 industrial block it becomes easier. You can make a +.030 over 192 piston fit in the 172 block.Some minimal head work, deck the head, cam change and your close to 70 HP.
Mine weighs 3505 with me on it (depending on the scale fairy) I weigh 225. 16.9 X 28 tires and the fenders are still on it. My weight brackets and hitch are heavy. Without too much work I could easly run 3500.

 

[Dick L]

Opinions are just that (Opinions)

In the video below I was within inches of the first place on the first hook. No second hooks beat the first place hook until the Allis Chalmers C's second hook.
Pathetic Allis C Puller

 

[High Octane]

oliver 77 hands down.

 

[770]

I pull my 77 in the 4000 and 4500. I could not imagine pulling it against all the kids with the Allis C"s or Farmall C"s in the 3000.

 

[CoopertownBob]

(quoted from post at 23:06:50 10/20/11) I'll say a Farmall Super C. A Farmall H would be strong, too, if you could lighten it up in all the right places.

SF

Shipping weight on steel for an H is only 2600 pounds, all up but no fuel. use light weight wheels and it is there. I just won my club's point race in 3500 with my H running the stock heavy castors front and rear on 12.4x38 rubber. I tip the scales around 225 myself. Shipping weight for an H on rubber is only 3140 pounds, again all up but no fuel. It was a bit of a struggle with the larger rubber to make weight this year but when I ran 11.2x38's it was easy, I usually could hang a weight or two on it to boot. You can bore and stroke an H motor to over 300 ci easy if rules allow, and that is using all IH parts except the crank, which must be welded.

As for the C, you could use a combine engine in one to give 153 ci stock, then there is always room for improvement on that as well. Maybe stretch it all the way to over 200 ci, but I am not certain of this as I have no experience with it.

My opinion however is a WD45 AC, if it will go that light. You are starting with 226 ci I think it is, and can always go bigger. I don't know much about them though, except that there is one that pulls locally using 38's that is mighty hard to beat in the light classes.

I agree with Andy above, 249 feet was a fine pull for that C Allis in the 3000 pound class, but the 277 feet second pull was even better!

 

[770]

What about a An Oliver super 55, or a Farmall W4?

 

[High Octane]

they run em here in anything they can! most toss in the ol 310 and run. not many well built stock block 77s around here. my second choice would be a Farmall H. may sound like a pair of bigger tractors to pull against the smaller ones, but there some potent liteweights out there! a good pulling tractor comes up to the weight class limits,not come down to em. they try, but more weights u can have the better.

 

[Kip-Utah]

Our styled 38 WC has pulled (and won) at 3,000 lbs. with the right jockey. It has the original pressed steel 24" wheels and 14.9x24 rear tires and RC wheels with 4.00x15 fronts. No belt pulley or pto. In fact after dominating the 3,000 class we voluntarily elected to not pull it lighter than 3,500 and leave the lighter class for the little tractors that ought to be pulling there. It has also won at 3,500, 4,000, and 4,500. It works the very best at 4,000.

 

[BG Angell]

My old man and I had a WC allis down to 2700 # with a 200# driver. And never got anything less than first place. So 3000# should be easy.

 

[BG Angell]

My old man and I had a WC allis down to 2700 # with a 200# driver. And never got anything less than first place. So 3000# should be easy.

 

[CLIFF S]

My Farmall BN Likes to Pull 2500 - 4000lbs NonCut Classes,(photo at 4000lbs)

My Case VAC Likes 3000-3500lbs Div 2

Also My Farmall Super C Likes 3000,3250,3500 Div 3

As Vic S said Genes Sellers Farmall 230 is The Badest Lite 3500 and Below Puller Around!

I Won The 2010 NATPA Championship 3250 Div 4 and 3500 Div 3 Pulls on Genes 230 For Him in Cloumbua,MO after his Hartattack at the Pull the Day Before!

What a Great Man!

Theres lots of Great Choises!

Cliff S