Binder wheel bearings?

[Richard Hare]

Evening all,

Just wondered if anyone knew if Roller bearings are available for a McC-Deering grain binder,....to fit the Grain wheel?
I've looked on-line and it drives me nuts with all the false leads..
If anyone knows if such bearings are available, I'd be very happy to know about it!
The Binder is a type D, 8-foot.L-H.

Thanks for looking,

Richard.

 

[Ralph Bauer]

Not familiar with that one, but are you sure it has bearings, not bushings?? Bushings are many times made out of brass, may be a bit easier to "fabricate" some to fit the old. However, if it does have bearings, take them out and go to a bearing store to match up. Am lucky to have one, Consolidated Bearings here in SW Oklahoma, in Altus.
Let me know if I can help here....Ralph.

 

[JMS/.MN]

I"ve been able to find roller bearings for obsolete equipment at JD, as long as I have the old on to get OD and ID and length.

 

[Athol Carr]

They are a roller bearing, long separate rollers where the end pins fit in a ring bushing at each end. The whole thing is encased in a separate sleeve. Seem to be as scarce as hen's teeth. I was given a brand new one for my binder, I just have to figure out how to get the washer-like retainer in the end of the wheel centre, it seems like a washer that has been partially bent to fit behind a collar then flattened once in place.

 

[Richard Hare]

Thanks for the answers guys!

Athol,
Yes, that sounds like they should be, though in mine the whole bearing is missing, but must have been removed, probably to keep something else running!

JMS,
Thanks for the John Deere lead!
I do have the parts list for the binder, and in there it does give bearing specs, so that might just work..

Ralph,
Yes, they were roller bearings originally, but you are right, that a bushing would be easier to make if push comes to shove!

Thanks again for all the help. I'll let you know how it goes.

Richard.

 

[Nebraska Cowman]

I have several boxes full of those old roller bearings. But none of them are marked so unless you could compare the size they don't do much good. I should throw them out.

 

[Kevin B from Illinois]

I have couple of McCormick Deering wagon running gears and the bearings were totaly wore out, I had brass bushings made they worked very well.

 

[r aiken]

There is an Amish machine shop close to Degraff Ohio. They make roller brarings for old equipment.

 

[Richard Hare]

Don't chuck 'em out, Nebraska!

I could email you with the sizes I need if that would be OK, as the book gives the specs.
Please let me know if this would be acceptable.


Thanks,
Richard.

 

[Richard Hare]

P Aiken,

Thank you for the tip re. the machine shop.
If the locals can't find any I will try and find contact info for them.

Kevin B,

Good to know the brass bushings are holding up well, and that this is an option.

Thanks for your in-put!!

Richard.

 

[Duner Wi]

No guarantee this info is correct for you.My 1941 Herschel catalog shows a grain wheel bearing #C521 used on grain and main wheel. OD 1-7/8 inch,length 4-7/16,9 rollers,and shaft dia. 1- 1/4 inch.
Used with sleeve SP102. Sleeve fits out side the bearing and in my thinking would be call a housing today maybe. Combined cost for both in 1941 is $2.25. C521 is used in quite a few McCormick applications and not just grain binder. I don't know where to find one or if this info applies to your needs. I would check with the "Cowman" Good luck

 

[Leroy]

R Aiken, I live close buy Degraff and never heard of them Can you give me some contact information. The Amish I work with live around Berne, In. but never got aquainted with any of the Degraff group.

 

[Ralph Bauer]

Nahh, just hank on to them, we can always sent you our "shot" ones to match....!

 

[Nebraska Cowman]

You can try. But I don't think I have any of the big wagon bearings.

 

[Richard Hare]

Thanks for posting the information, Duner.

I had the bearing specs, but had no idea about the outer sleeve. One without the other wouldn't be much good!

Thanks to all for all the great help!!

R.

 

[Leroy]

That in the modern tapered bearing is what is called the race and that is your wear surface instead of the hub. They are usually about the thickness of a cerial box and so without them you would notice some play in the wheel but with all new parts you will still notice play in the wheel as they cannot be adjusted like a tapered bearing can be. What they forgot with that design is that the bottom side of the axle wears off as well and no sleeve repair there, If bad enough and I have seen the axles wore a quarter of an inch off is weld up and grind down in a case like your binder but on other machinery that wheel design was not important the axle was cut out and new style welded in.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Hi folks, I left school and entered the farm machinery trade just at the end of the grain binder era. We were IH dealers and had a lot of binder parts left and as we sold the parts we did not restock them. One of the jobs I was given was to shorten the old type roller bearings and this consisted of undoing the bearing and shorening all the rollers and reriveting up the bearings. I got quite good at this little job before we sold all the old bearing stock. 54 years later I am still in the farm machinery trade. MJ

 

[Richard Hare]

Hello MJ,

Where in the UK are you?
I'm from the North Riding of Yorkshire.

Can you tell me what you were shortening the bearings to fit? They must have had quite a stock of them, to bother altering them like that!

Richard.

 

[Buffy1]

Sam Borntreger,1201 Road 208 North, DeGraff,OH.43318 should have your bearings.

 

[Richard Hare]

Hi Buffy,

Thank you for this information!
I will contact Sam and see what he has.

All the best,
Richard.