Anonymous-0
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I started to notice the CNH about mid year last year.
What I know (which aint much) is that Ford tractor was bought by New holland years ago then New holland merged with Case IH, (Case bought what was left of IH) and then all these companies were bought by Fiat. (confusing huh)
Under the big happy name of Case IH, Newholland.
Under the big happy name of Case IH, Newholland.
Anonymous-0
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IT ALL TOOK PLACE GOING ON 10 YEARS AGO
Anonymous-0
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My cousin in Germany says that FIAT stands for, "Fix It Again, Tony". He was referring to their cars.
Steven f/AZ
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Been CNH for a few years now when I've picked up parts. Some of the dealers have old stock parts with the old boxes, though.
Not sure, but I think it was the other way around. I think Ford bought New Holland. Then Fiat bought Ford, but went with the New Holland name as they thought it was more recognizable world wide. Case did not buy IH. IH was bought by Tenneco which also owned Case, Then merged the two. Case stopped production of Case equipment, and IH is what was left. Then Fiat bought CaseIH and merged it with New Holland. The result is CaseNH Global.
Yep, it is quite a mess. I have been buying parts for Farmalls since the mid to late 90's with CNH on the boxes.
It is getting worse. Now the Winchester Factory that built the 94 and 70 model rifles is gone, and all Winchesters are made in Belgium or Japan. Don't even make 94. 70 or 1300 shotguns anymore.
I don't understand why we can't build anything here anymore.
It is getting worse. Now the Winchester Factory that built the 94 and 70 model rifles is gone, and all Winchesters are made in Belgium or Japan. Don't even make 94. 70 or 1300 shotguns anymore.
I don't understand why we can't build anything here anymore.
The mergers and buyouts started in the summer of 1984 with the announcement that Tennco (the parent company of J.I.Case at the time) would buy the majority of International Harvester's Ag division and merge it with J.I. Case to form Case International.
In September of 1985, Ford announced that it had bought NewHolland from Sperry Rand, and thus formed Ford NewHolland.
I believe in 1986, Tennco went buying again; this time acquiring Steiger, and merging it into Case IH.
1987 saw Ford NewHolland acquire Versatile and merge it into Ford NewHolland.
In mid-late 1991 an announcement was made that Fiat would acquire 80 % of Ford NewHolland with an option to buy the remaining 20% within 4 years, which they did. In 1994 they merged Ford NewHolland with Fiat Geotech and renamed the conglomorate NewHolland Geotech.
The made several other acquisitions around the world throughout the 90's as well.
In mid 1999 the announcement was made that Tennco would sell their share of Case International (something like 71%) to Fiat who then merged it with NewHolland. Thus began Case NewHolland Global...
For what it's worth, most of my parts have been coming in CNH bags and boxes for several years now... Probably 7 or 8 years.
It's such a novelty now to get an old box with blue, white and black now and the old Blue Oval. Ya just knows that one's been sitting on the shelf over 20 years....
Rod
In September of 1985, Ford announced that it had bought NewHolland from Sperry Rand, and thus formed Ford NewHolland.
I believe in 1986, Tennco went buying again; this time acquiring Steiger, and merging it into Case IH.
1987 saw Ford NewHolland acquire Versatile and merge it into Ford NewHolland.
In mid-late 1991 an announcement was made that Fiat would acquire 80 % of Ford NewHolland with an option to buy the remaining 20% within 4 years, which they did. In 1994 they merged Ford NewHolland with Fiat Geotech and renamed the conglomorate NewHolland Geotech.
The made several other acquisitions around the world throughout the 90's as well.
In mid 1999 the announcement was made that Tennco would sell their share of Case International (something like 71%) to Fiat who then merged it with NewHolland. Thus began Case NewHolland Global...
For what it's worth, most of my parts have been coming in CNH bags and boxes for several years now... Probably 7 or 8 years.
It's such a novelty now to get an old box with blue, white and black now and the old Blue Oval. Ya just knows that one's been sitting on the shelf over 20 years....
Rod
Anonymous-0
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hayray the jap steel "is really good" because we send all ths steel and parts to them. The nnalert just put the stuff toghter! I dont agree with it, but who wants to pay an American worker $20.00 per hour when the nnalert get .50 cents an hour...... See its cheaper to send raw material over there, have them put it toghter and ship it back to us. And we pay big bucks for jap or china made products. Micale Jordan sneakers sell here for $125.00 a pair, but are made in china for maybe what $21.00? If that. Nobody pays attention to this anymore, people just keep buying all this junk from china, and taking the food right out of the American workers mouth.
Anonymous-0
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The whole story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNH_Global
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNH_Global
Anonymous-0
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I have to laugh at this. I also have a Cousin ,native born German,always lived in Germany and speaks very good English. He and I call each other often. He laughs about the "Little Italian Cars" such as Fiat's.His car of choice"BMW" which in Germany is about like a Buick in Value etc.
The Dukester
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You're so right, it is the fault of the labor unions and the greedy American workers. Unions should be abolished and workers forced to work for the same wages as foreign workers to insure the continued prosperity of wealthy investors and management excutive officials. It's essential that America produce as many millionaires and billionaires as is humanly possible. Thank God for wise people like you for knowing what is wrong with this country.
Unions are good for those in the union. Doesn't help the rest of us one bit. My wife works her a$$ off in a nursing home taking care of old folks for 9 bucks an hour. Been there for years. I have never made 25 or 30 dollars an hour and complained about a thing.
Why do union folks think they are entitled to top pay, free medical coverage, a big pension, on and on, and still have enough nerve to strike over something reletively small, that other folks such as my wife and millions more have to pay for out of their 9 bucks an hour.
Just because I work for you why would you be responsible to pay me until I die. All that has to paid for somehow.
Reagan was right when he fired all the air traffic controllers, and that is exactly what I would do to those writers who are stiking now. If I had a job with top pay, and benefits, and then quit working because I wanted another dollar, I would deserve to be fired, and would expect it.
They were well meaning in the beginning, but like everything else it got out of hand.
Then we wonder why the jobs and manufacturing have left this country. Unions finished off IH, along with many other companies.
I agree the corporations are greedy. Just look at the oil companies. The depression that is coming will help sort and balance things out again.
Why do union folks think they are entitled to top pay, free medical coverage, a big pension, on and on, and still have enough nerve to strike over something reletively small, that other folks such as my wife and millions more have to pay for out of their 9 bucks an hour.
Just because I work for you why would you be responsible to pay me until I die. All that has to paid for somehow.
Reagan was right when he fired all the air traffic controllers, and that is exactly what I would do to those writers who are stiking now. If I had a job with top pay, and benefits, and then quit working because I wanted another dollar, I would deserve to be fired, and would expect it.
They were well meaning in the beginning, but like everything else it got out of hand.
Then we wonder why the jobs and manufacturing have left this country. Unions finished off IH, along with many other companies.
I agree the corporations are greedy. Just look at the oil companies. The depression that is coming will help sort and balance things out again.
No, Ford quite clearly and totally bought NewHolland from Sperry Rand. Ford could well have been busy building a full line company at the time that would be more attractive to 'shop' around, but Ford most certainly bought NH outright, later added Versatile, and then sold the whole division to the mafia.
Rod
Rod
All we have left here were never union, All the union factories are gone. Rockwell, Hobart, Bundy Tubing,and a few more left years ago. They were good paying jobs, and have been replaced by several other factories with top pay of around 10 to 12 dollars per hour on the line.
I worked with a guy in the early 80's that had made 26 dollars per hour for Rockwell. When they closed he worked on the line with me making roof support bolts for coal mines. Starting pay was 5.35 per hour, and he was glad to get it after being out of work for 8 months. Said he had to change his habits, but it beat starving.
I worked with a guy in the early 80's that had made 26 dollars per hour for Rockwell. When they closed he worked on the line with me making roof support bolts for coal mines. Starting pay was 5.35 per hour, and he was glad to get it after being out of work for 8 months. Said he had to change his habits, but it beat starving.
Rod and George are correct. Ford bought New Holland first, then when Ford wanted out of the Ag business they sold to Fiat. You probably remember when the Ford tractors were labelled "Ford New Holland" in the 1990's. In the agreement Fiat had a few years they could still use the "Ford " name on the tractors then had to stop using it. Towards the end of that period "Ford" was in smaller letters than NH.
First off, as it relates to Agricultural tractors, most of the manufacturing is done in the 'west' mostly in a union setting. This is in the US, UK, western Europe for the most part. IT's true that they do source stuff from around the globe, but I'd suggest that most of their maunfacturing is done in plants that hav a rather high labor cost.
I don't believe that these companies are going to China to get rid of high labor costs. They're going there to get rid of HEADACES.
A union in and of itself is a headache to a company. There's no regs in China. They do what they want to there. There's very little if any environmental regulation there either... another VERY BIG reason not to operate in a western developed society.
I don't believe that labor is the biggest factor in these decisions anymore, but it is still a factor. I'd suggest that if they had to conform the the same regulatory structure in China that they do here, the manufacturing would largely be done here again... and I'm not so sure that it won't when the cost of transportation catches up once oil really starts getting expensive.
It strikes me as odd that western Europe has been able to maintain much of it's manufacturing sector in spite of having much more stringent labor laws than we've traditionally had here. Mabey THEY figured out something that we haven't? I don't want to hear that it's all subsidies and tariffs either...
Rod
I don't believe that these companies are going to China to get rid of high labor costs. They're going there to get rid of HEADACES.
A union in and of itself is a headache to a company. There's no regs in China. They do what they want to there. There's very little if any environmental regulation there either... another VERY BIG reason not to operate in a western developed society.
I don't believe that labor is the biggest factor in these decisions anymore, but it is still a factor. I'd suggest that if they had to conform the the same regulatory structure in China that they do here, the manufacturing would largely be done here again... and I'm not so sure that it won't when the cost of transportation catches up once oil really starts getting expensive.
It strikes me as odd that western Europe has been able to maintain much of it's manufacturing sector in spite of having much more stringent labor laws than we've traditionally had here. Mabey THEY figured out something that we haven't? I don't want to hear that it's all subsidies and tariffs either...
Rod
Well Jack, you are entitled to your opinion, No need for name calling. What would happen if farmers were unionized and went on strike.? I will tell you. The Banks would set most if them out on their a$$, then the gov't would take over what ws left to try and feed people, so don't tell me about how big a fool I am until everyone gets the same shake. Your reply is a typical union man response.
I admitted unions are good for the lucky few who are in them, and have managed to keep a job, but damn sure have made it hard on everyone else.
I admitted unions are good for the lucky few who are in them, and have managed to keep a job, but damn sure have made it hard on everyone else.
richardinnz
Member
Yep, and Ford is "Found on road dead" and also "Fix or repair daily"! The Germans have a ryme about Ford too, translated to English it is somthing like, He went out and never came back! lol.
Anonymous-0
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Why are you buying parts for an N at a NH dealer? There are several places online that will get you the same part for less money!
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