deutz timing belt

[MF294-4]

Brother has a Deutz 1011 four cylinder engine and he wants to replace the timing belt. My son can't find a manual for the engine. Has anyone changed the belt or have any directions or tips? Thanks Rick

 

[bison]

Timing belt on a deutz diesel?? Never heard of that yet.
Is it air cooled? Maybe you mean fan belt.

 

[richardinnz]

There are special tools for setting the timing. I have done them without by carefully marking the belt pulleys BEFORE removing the old belt. If belt failure occurs you normally do not suffer valve/piston damage, but you will get 8 bent push rods. Be carefull, there are no timing marks, and those pulleys are not keyed in anyway to the crankshaft or camshaft.

 

[MF294-4]

Yes, my brother says it has a belt for the valves. I can't imagine it (pulleys) are not keyed to the shafts. Would like to find a manual. How many hours do they normally run? This runs a hydraulic pump on a conveyer-shaker and maybe gets 10hrs a month.

 

[Ole Shovel]

Google search for a manual. Know a guy got a manual for Deutz in his Ditch Witch somewhere. Shows some downloads on their site.
Deutz training

 

[Glen D Anderson]

That's what I thought, I guess the 1011 must a a newer series of engine with "improved" technology..........

From what Richard says Duetz hasn't made the engine any more "mechanic friendly"..............the older Duetz engines we used required the injection pump to be "flow timed" during installation, an accurate method for sure, but not as convenient as timing pins or timing windows........................

 

[Anonymous-0]

If you have a Bobcat dealer near you they will have the necessary tooling to change the belt if you can get them to do it. All that is needed is 2 special pins and a belt tensioner 1 pin to screw in the block to set the crankshaft where it should be and another for the cam then tension the belt. I wanted to buy the tools to do it and they are available thru Bobcat but they were $700 for the kit several years ago.

 

[bison]

yea,they always seem to "have to fix what works"
keeps the screwed up economy going.

 

[richardinnz]

I have a F3L 1011 from a Dynapac tandem roller apart in my workshop now (big end bearing failure) Take my word for it, those pulleys are not keyed, they rely on a clamp fit to the shafts. Be very carefull about undoing the large centre bolts in the crank and cam shafts, that is all that holds them and the pulleys came loose on this engine very easly with a VERY gentle tap with a 2lb hammer shaft. Take care.

 

[Razvy]

I am in the same boat , have a deutz 4 cylinder and I want to change the timing belt , I understand that I need some alignment pins , any idea where I can get them ? I can believe it costs $700 for 2 steel pins

 

[cbrspdfrk]

(quoted from post at 23:01:26 01/16/09) I am in the same boat , have a deutz 4 cylinder and I want to change the timing belt , I understand that I need some alignment pins , any idea where I can get them ? I can believe it costs $700 for 2 steel pins

Hi guys

I am a Deutz Tech at a deutz distributor in Tucson AZ. The timing pins you are refering to are about $100 a set....manual about 160. I just sold both items to a customer today for under $275. The belts on the 1011 are a little more involved than the 2011. The 1011 engine requires a belt tensionor tool also. We recommend that the belts be replaced every 2K hours to avoid possible pushrod tube damage or possibly bending the connecting rods......any ????? shoot me an email.

Corey

 

[najumcju]

(quoted from post at 19:17:55 03/11/09)

(quoted from post at 23:01:26 01/16/09) I am in the same boat , have a deutz 4 cylinder and I want to change the timing belt , I understand that I need some alignment pins , any idea where I can get them ? I can believe it costs $700 for 2 steel pins

Hi guys

I am a Deutz Tech at a deutz distributor in Tucson AZ. The timing pins you are refering to are about $100 a set....manual about 160. I just sold both items to a customer today for under $275. The belts on the 1011 are a little more involved than the 2011. The 1011 engine requires a belt tensionor tool also. We recommend that the belts be replaced every 2K hours to avoid possible pushrod tube damage or possibly bending the connecting rods......any ????? shoot me an email.

Corey

The local Deutz Repair Distributor wanted $141 for timing pin set (Timing Belt with Idler pulley was a reasonable $40 something). For what it's worth, here's what worked for me. The cam end hole works fine using a large allen wrench in plug hole as there is a bored hole in cam shaft, but on the crank end, it's important to have the length and set correct. I purchased a 10mm-1.0Threading-50mm Long Hex Bolt from the depot for $2.49 and it was the correct threading and length to stop lobe on crank shaft at correct spot. Replace your V-Belt while you are replacing. You will also need a $15 security bit that holds on the timing belt shroud. Friend that had replaced a lot of timing belts did most the work and had done a lot of timing belts over the years and felt confident with not having the tensioner and welder the engine is on seems to be working well.

Not a plug, but I found this link for a dealer in NE that rents the "correct" tools: http://www.epu.com/Deutz-tool-rental.html Also indicates they have the instructions, which would be worth having whether you lease the tools or not!!!

AND...this very generous chap in CA posted pics of the cam & crank plug locations where you have to remove them to access location for timing pin insertion.


Regards, Nathan

 

[najumcju]

Here's link to pics:
http://www.dacie.ca/1011.html