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Shell station, Interstate 20, Weatherford, Mar 12, regular 87 gas 3.159, diesel 3.899. Wow, the amount that ULSD exceeds regular gas is getting more and more: 74 cents per gallon. Tom
 
A buddy at work drives a diesel VW bug and gets 45 miles per gallon while beating the tar out of it and driving 75 on the interstate. If he is easy on it and drives 60 mph, he gets 55+. There are several others at work that report the same from their VW's so I'm pretty sure he isn't blowing smoke.
 
oh. i forgot about those- my fathers freind drives one, so no smoke from me either.

Now I DO know that these aren't seen everyday. Diesel small cars are a rarity.
 
I agree that diesel cars are a rarity. It's really sad actually. I just read an article that Subaru is launching a diesel engine for their cars. Guess what....it's not going to be offered in the US! And how about the VW diesel hybrid capable of 70+ mpg when compared to the Prius 40 mpg....not in the US either. I just don't get it.
 
Darned sure I'd buy one. Right now, all I can do is stick to the 4 cylinder halfway decent gas cars such as a newer honda civic or the like. What else can we do, really? America loves their Tahoes and expeditions so much that subaru and the other little guys don't fart around with us.
 
Supply and demand thecold winter keeping refinerys making heating oil and EPA. Would anyone know just where you could build a new refinery. Heard a big wheel speak from SHELL says they even have a hard time just building an expansion with locals and then everyones friend EPA. NOT IN MY BACK YARD seems to be another fence to cross. Same way with another pipeline. Same way with drilling another hole for more supply. NOT IN MY BACK YARD. Prices mite come down if the board of trade stopped bidding the prices up and as long as the demand is there this is what we have.
 
We had a refinery shut down here in Michigan. But the reason for the shutdown was that the company wanted to operate larger, fewer refineries. But this is also self serving, when they cut capacity they create a shortage. I think there was a thread on here several months ago, refineries were shut down all over the country during the 90's. Not due to the EPA, just the oil companies wanted less capacity. The US now imports a lot of gasoline and diesel now, the refining is done offshore
 
Here in Germany it's the opposite by about the same margin. Also, there is no cost difference between regular and super UL . Now, I work for the Army and get discounted fuel coupons. Still pay real close to what you folks are paying, just not all the taxes Germans pay.
We use the same fuel as the Germans (there's not an extra slew for the Americans), but, when buying coupons, diesel costs more that gas and there is a difference between the UL prices. Still haven't figured that one out. Diesel cars are pretty common here. The new VW Beetles get 60 mpg. I've noticed that, even though folks drive a lot faster here, fuel economy in vehicles is different. Sometimes in the same car (ie. my wife has an American spec dodge stratus and gets about 20mpg. A person she works with has the same car w/ the same eng/trans that is the chrysler stratus (German specs) and gets 25 mpg.
I can't verify it other than google, but, my VW passat (German specs) gets better than the same car sold in the States.

Go figure.

Dave
 
way back in 1984, my wife purchased a new chevrolet chevette DIESEL. one of only three in the houston texas area. that little car regurlary got 39 mpg in town driving and out on open road at fairly steady highway speed got 51 mpg. it was a 4 cylinder isuzu diesel with a 5 speed tranny. very cramped little car and extremely hard to work on, but the fuel mileage was great. sure wish they were still made now.
 
When we 1st got maried we had an 85 Ford Escort. Absolutely a plain-Jane no options. Didn"t even have a 5 speed it was only 4. But that thing got 40mpg on the highway. That was with a non-computerized, carburated engine. (note: it was a piece of junk and the motor went up at 86000 miles). Now you can not buy a car without a lot of goodies which all take power and add weight sucking up more gas. Our old mini-van would get 27-29 MPG highway, our new one with the "same" engine/trans is lucky to get 23 highway. I suspect mostly because it has more stuff on it and is heavier.
 
My buddy had one of those. It was a hard starting thing in the cold and was not a rocket by any stretch, 0-60 was like 14-15 second, but man that thing got great mileage! Ford also had a Tempo diesel and a diesel Ranger.
 
My Old 79 Ford F250 with a 460 gets about 5-9mpg.... That's "Minutes Per Gallon" idling. Gas needle goes left as the speed odometer goes right when ya start actually driving.
 
I've got several. Just buy used if you really want one. I have two 91 Volkswagen diesel Jettas that average around 46 MPG on the highway but have gotten 51 MPG at times. I also have two 1981 Chevy Chevette diesels - both get around 43 MPG highway but can get as high as 48 MPG.
Also got an Isuzu 4WD diesel mini-truck that can get 36 MPG if I baby it.
 
I've to two 1981 diesel 4 door Chevettes. Not cramped and not hard to work on. I'm 5'10" and there's plenty of room for me, dog, and little kid, and wife at times.
 
Guys, I read a few months ago that Ford is coming out with a 2009 diesel F-150 that"ll get 25 mpg. 4.4 liter diesel v8, this is a definate thing. Search for it on google and you can find some info. However I also have read that they"re getting close on research to an F-150 with diesel/electric with power also saved and generated hydraulically from braking. There is talk that this could realistically get 60 mpg! I"m not going to hold my breath, but its fun to think about.
 
Simple. We are paying extra #1 for the hydro-treatment that is used to remove the sulfur, and then #2 we are paying extra for the lube additives that have to be put back into the fuel after the treatment.

Plain, good old fashioned high-sulfur off-road diesel right now, in my area is $2.59 per gallon. ULSD at the pump is $4.19.
 
I've often thought that even work trucks spend their time mostly commuting. I work for an excavating/highway construction company, and we put 40,000 miles a year on company F-250's. Going back to my previous post about the hybrid "60 mpg" F-150's. At 14 mpg with 3.25 average gas, even at 50 mpg with 4.00 diesel then one of these hybrid F-150's would save $5500 per year.

But to start lively conversation, I honestly believe that there are very very few people that couldn't get by with even a 150 hp fullsize truck. Most work trucks spend 90% of their time hauling tools and parts. My thought is unless you pull a huge trailer more that 10% of the time you are limited not by hp, but by the load capacity of the truck. You may not accelerate to 60 in 6 seconds, but for $5500 dollars a year I'd take the compromise, and still easily work the wheels off of a pickup.
 
My final thought is this, by the higher old hp rating, for the 1964 Ford fullsize trucks you could get a 208 hp 352 as a "powerhouse" or an economy straight 6 with 137 hp. I know that the guys back then got their work done!
 
my '84 chevette was cramped as i'm over 6' and at the time i had a wife and 2 children and the car was a 2 door. under the hood was a nightmare to get to almost anything, but the fuel mileage was great. now, if the car makers would make a small diesel car that a big man could get into COMFORTABLY, then i might buy one for a runaround car and leave the gas hog truck at home.
 
I've heard that the big money speculators are a lot of what's behind the fuel prices doing this $4 a gallon quest.

It seems the economy is sorta in the tank (so to speak), and with this the comododies markets and it's fuel speculators have found a method to take the American public for more!!!!
 
Seems a two-door would be kind of miserable. Both our diesel Chevettes and diesel Volkswagens are four doors. That being said - we don't use any of them for long trips - just local suff and 50 mile trips to the supermarket. We do all our traveling in a K5 Chevy Blazer or an extended-cab full size truck with a slide-on camper on the back. The diesel K5 Blazers get around 21 MPG highway. Dodge W250 with the Cummins 5.9 also gets around 20 MPG and my Ford F250 witha 7.3 turbo gets around 16 MPG at best.
 
Well, diesel in Bristol, IN. is $3.80 per gallon.

A month or so ago when there was that explosion at whatever refinery it was at, I believe somewhere in Texas, before they even finished announcing it, I was saying "Here we go again, $4.00 per gallon", and before they even finish repairing it, or just about the time they do and we have another "explosion" or "leak" or back firing car out in the parking lot of some other refinery or pipeline, I'll be ready to say "Here we go again, top $4.00 per gallon". Funny thing though...anyone hear anything out of DC about "allowing" drilling or "allowing" building refineries or anything of the sort? No, that's because that loan from China that's supposed to put $600 in most folk's pockets to "stimulate" the economy will fix it, before it has to be paid back to China, with interest. DC's silence is DEAFENING.
 
Gas prices have really gone nuts since the nnalert took over Congress two years ago.
They said they were going to make "big changes". I guess they were right.
 
Its not the nnalert, they haven't gotten a lot done (yet). Cost of fuel/oil going up is because the value of the Dollar worldwide is going down. Oil is traded in dollars, and the Saudi's are gonna get theirs no matter. Bush is printing money right and left in order to borrow and pay for the war; result is your money's not worth as much.
stephen
 
Hello Dave2.
German spec vehicles do not have all the pollution stuff the American counterpart have.
They do not pass U.S EPA pollution standards, that is the reason for the better fuel mileage.
You get to go fast on the Autoban.
My land lord would go from Nurenberg to Munich in 1 hr 15. min. Take me 2 hours, with my Opel kadet 1.5 liter speed racer.
Guido.
 
Bush can't spend a nickel that the nnalert don't approve. Remember they are in charge and they control what gets spent.
 
Man you can really make me mad bad mouthing nnalert.Bush is a crook.He is devalueing the dollar.He is the one who has dragged us back to the 70s.You will be lucky if a nnalert can fix it.You only look like a fool when you try and blame it on nnalert.The highest deficit in anybodys countrys history,George Bush is responsible.The most crooked bunch to ever be in the White House,the lowest approval rating of any President,even lower than Nixon,George Bush.The list is long and disgusting.
 
Where were you two years ago? The nnalert were in charge of Congress and the stock market was soaring. Now the nnalert took over, have done absolutely nothing and they STILL blame everything on the nnalert.

The President can't spend a nickel and can't do anything without the nnalert controlled Congress putting their stamp of approval on it.
 
Just find and read what OPEC said about him.You nnalert dont have any sense.Best for you to quit now before it gets worse.
 
I don't know how to say this politely at this point. The president is our commander in chief - regardless if you like him or not. I think you've got one heck of a nerve constantly ranting and raving and blaming so much on him - especially when we are at war. If you have some real facts - that have any degree of substance - fine. But, you don't.

Why don't you try just once to use some verified facts instead of childish rants about "bad-guy" Bush.

You say he's a criminal. Okay - tell us all of one law he's been caught breaking.

You said previously, he was responsible for the World Trade Center disaster. Any real facts on that one? Or, just crap you hear on Oprah.

I don't think you know what a nnalert or nnalert is - and how the meanings of those titles have changed over time.

I also doubt you have solid proof of just how many people actual approve of Bush. Seems you believe all the little sound bites your hear on TV. Any pollsters ever called YOU and asked? (I hope not). I can say this - I'm almost 60 years old and never once have I been asked about what I think about any president. Nor has my wife, her parents, my kids, my friends all over the country, etc. So, where do these inexorable facts of your's come from?

The truth is - you don't know what the heck you are talking about - yet you spout off anyway.
Being angry proves nothing, and focusing your anger on fictious targets documents your ignorance.
 
Why don't you post what they said. And then tell me how the President sets the oil prices around the world. And then tell me why gas is higher in just about every other country.

We buy most of our oil from Canada but Canadians pay way more at the pump than we do. Tell me how that works.
 
OK,now I have had it with you.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see whats wrong.I dont need you to try and weasel the facts.I said worst deficit in history,whos responsible?George Bush/nnalert.911 inside job?Decide for yourself,Alex Jones seems to think so,Willie Nelson,Charlie Sheen,and 50% of New York,and it goes higher when its not saying Bush is directly responsible,but at least knew about it and did nothing to stop it.Facts.More facts-building 7 was not hit by a plane,yet it was detonated,(pulled right out of the mouth of its owner)and if you look at the tapes of the other buildings falling down you can see the puffs of smoke from the detonations.Now I am not a scientist,or a cop,or a prosecuter,or anything but a laborer,and its not hard for me to see what happened.Now I have to admit that it remains to be seen yet who is responsible.Our president may not have done this.I dont know who did,but isnt it just a little more than fishy that Bushs brother was the head of security for those buildings the day before,not to mention the strange trading patterns(illegal insider knowledge)before the event?Facts.The amount of lies about Iraq is enough to impeach the whole bunch and should be done.
You are always saying something about what I dont know.I have forgotten more than you ever will know.I dont know the difference between nnalert and nnalert?Yeah,nnalert take from the poor and give to the rich,nnalert take from the rich and give to the poor.
I dont care who you are,or what you say,nnalert or people calling themselves that in the last 7 years have torn up our country,Bush led them,was friends with some of the most despicable ones,and is responsible for most of the problems.Yes I do know that these "nnalert" caused this.No,I dont need to tell you any more about it.If you dont get it by now theres no hope for you.
 
I told you the other day,everybody pays the same price,Canada pays lots more taxes than we do.The president doesnt set the price but,oil companies that have merged to where there is no competition,allowed by nnalert,encouraged by Bush/Cheney(secret energy meeting)is how they get set!
 
Put down the bong, dude. You are really messed up. Seek professional help. You are even an embarassment to the nnalert.
 
I have to say that Clinton was kind of a mixture,not really a nnalert,a Southern nnalert,with a crook Fulbright as a teacher.Thats a fair distance from a Right Wing Jimmy Carter abundant nnalert,and a John F.Kennedy the last nnalert.
Now I have to be fair to Clinton,he was going the right direction.Now to be fair to Bush,some of this stuff is not his fault.That would be the scandalous nnalert in congress and Enron,some of the stuff Enron did anyway.
I have to be fair to Carter,like a clock thats broke its still right 2 times a day.Some few things he was right about,and if he had a good idea,it did not get through very often if ever.
I dont have much use for Reagan,but to be fair he did lower interest rates,compared to what we have now,was better,that doesnt say much.The first Bush was actually not as bad as this one,not very good either.Nixon,was responsible for 100% increase or more in fuel costs,Reagan was responsible for a rise in fuel costs,George the first had a rise in fuel costs.I bought thousands of gallon of fuel under Clinton that was less than a dollar a gallon.Thats lower than George the first,and Reagan.Carter had 50 cent diesel,but it went up.Reagan had 80 cent but it went up.George the first it went up to about 1.20.Clinton was president and I bought it as low as 89.9 in Georgia,and lots of other places under a dollar.It went up under Clinton,but it was his lame duck session in office,and nnalert were in charge of congress.With Clintons a$$ kissing of special interests like the Brady bill among others,the world could see the nnalert were going to get in and it was dread of that which raised the price of oil.OPEC does not like Bush because he is trying to start a nuclear war over there or something with Iran,pi$$ing off Russia and other things.Nobody is very proud of Israel right now for what they are doing except Bush.
 
You think you are a spin doctor?You think that the price of fuel under Clinton is as destructive as under this President?You think you are going to make the price of fuel a nnalert fault?You think Americans dont know anything,dont remember?As I am setting here the fuel prices are higher than they have ever been,4 dollar diesel,and you think its the nnalert fault?You think you are real smart?
Man you are really not worth talking to.You need to get off of this weaseling and how you are going to fix it smart nnalert?Smart nnalert,2 words that dont belong in the same sentence.If the nnalert in congress can get about 9 or 10 nnalert to vote with them they can override Bushs veto and get something passed.Bush is going to veto every good idea they have,and people like you are going to run around and blame it on nnalert.That may have worked for you when Clinton was president,now you are done.You can put lipstick on a hog,but its still a hog.
 
"If the nnalert in congress can get about 9 or 10 nnalert to vote with them they can override Bushs veto and get something passed.Bush is going to veto every good idea they have,and "

Tell me about all their good ideas that have been vetoed. And tell me what they have tried to do about gas prices as they are now in charge. They said they would do it if they won control of Congress in 2006. They did so what are they doing about it?
 
Cut spending on war,yes and other stuff.I am not going to defend them if they make mistakes,and they are not making me happy either.
What I mean is this-we go forward under nnalert and backward under nnalert.
If you want to get mad,have some insurance and get sick and your insurance wont pay.Yeah,thats your nnalert for you.Have a job but your pay keeps going down and down,better yet go buy yourself a truck,start hauling,then watch your pay go down because some nnalert want to drive you out of business so some Mexicans can come up here and work for nothing.Why do they do that?Why do nnalert want them to do that?Fuel is 80 cents per mile for a big truck to haul freight at 4.00 per gallon diesel.Thats more than double what I get per mile.Thats more than any other cost on the truck,even the payments on a new one.Whats wrong with you?Do you think this is some game you can win.I will be dead before you,its your world too.Why do you think the nnalert are going in the right direction?It could get lots worse for you.You could be a Chinese slave.
 
And the nnalert are running on a platform of free healthcare for everyone. Who will pay for that?? I will. One of those evil nnalert you babble about. I work hard and I work smart. I don't have any education but I make a ton of money. I trucked at one time but saw it was a deadend so I got out. I didn't sit here crying because I was broke. I just worked harder and smarter. Now I make over 100k per year.

Quit bitchhing and do something different or shut up. Your whining makes me puke.
 
WHINING?Yeah well you are not going to be able to pay for your own health care.I dont whine,I said its the nnalert fault,which it is,and thats just what we know they did.In the next 5-10 years a lot more will come out.I made more than 100 grand when Clinton was President,and its gone down every year since Bush.I bet I can still make more than 100 grand with 1 truck,so what!That doesnt mean anything,how much of it can you hang on to,more if nnalert run the country.Facts,and everybody I know that works for themselves,its the same way,pay is down.nnalert fault,not whining just facts.I wont now,or ever,care if you do puke.All the babbling is coming from you.Fix something or shut yourself up.
 
Damn trucker..... You almost had me on your side. If you'd have thrown in Hulk Hogan, Richard Petty, and Ted Nugent I'da been yours. Anyway, just continue to badmouth, and please do it publicly and loudly. Preferrably in a place where plenty of vets hang out. It's guys (?) like you that end up on TV describing what a tornado sounds like, and sadly enough, on the news in other countries, with your ignorance becoming THE opinion of the American People.
Run down our President, you run down our Country. Love it or leave it. May want to do it soon while you can still afford the gas to get to a border.


Dave
 
(quoted from post at 12:50:18 03/13/08) Hello Dave2.
German spec vehicles do not have all the pollution stuff the American counterpart have.
They do not pass U.S EPA pollution standards, that is the reason for the better fuel mileage.
You get to go fast on the Autoban.
My land lord would go from Nurenberg to Munich in 1 hr 15. min. Take me 2 hours, with my Opel kadet 1.5 liter speed racer.
Guido.
Click to expand...

You must have been here a while ago LOL. Nurnberg has been closed for almost 18 years. Roads have gotten better and pollution standards have rose. Opel Kadets are a lot sportier these days too. Did you enjoy your stay here? when was it?

Dave
 
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