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[Anonymous-0]

whats the difference between restored and refurbished in the workshop, Thanks

 

[ScottyHOMeY]

Now there's a loaded quesation.

I would say level of detail, accuracy to the original.

There are purists of every level. Some, usually referred to as the correct police, can be a pain. They will wander all over a show and find somthing to tear down about every piece there. Interestingly, they rarely have any of their own work on display.

Now that I've got that out of my system . . .

There are things like hose clamps. If the tractor was built with castle or spring-wire clamps, use of the more common clamps with a worm screw drawing a threaded band would be a step back from restoration.

I saw a post this morning from someone looking for a source for the old dot-head bolts. Some folks would consider the presence of a graded bolt (indicated by the hashmarks on the head) to be a step back toward rebuilding instead of restoration.

Some will cut it so fine as to get down to the type paint. Modern acrylics would be taboo to that bunch.

Those restored by the purest of the purists will be run no more than it takes to load and unload them. Lord knows, if the rings ever get seated, it won't be the same as it came from the factory. That's a little overboard, in my view.

To be fair, the opposite extreme is what some call the "DuPont" or "rattlecan" restoration, which is to get it running and painted. That is a rebuild/overhaul, not a restoration.

And there's lots of room between the two extremes to draw the line between them.

 

[rustyfarmall]

Refurbished means you fixed what needed fixed in order to make it functional once again and maybe even cleaned up and painted to make it more visually appealing.

Restored means it has been returned to its original, brand new condition.
Very few "restored" tractors actually meet this description.

 

[Dave H (MI)]

"To be fair, the opposite extreme is what some call the "DuPont" or "rattlecan" restoration, which is to get it running and painted. That is a rebuild/overhaul, not a restoration."

You call that fair!?! To heck with the rattle can unless it has no paint at all! Leave it pink, get it running, and get it back out in the wide open doing what it was meant to do and did for most of it's life. Restored to it's original purpose is the way I define restored. Greetings from Michigan, friend! Dave

 

[ScottyHOMeY]

And good morning to you, too!

You describe my SuperC to a T. She got a meticulous motor job, new wired and some other repairs, but she still wears her working clothes and is, to my mind, a fine example of what a SuperC was, is, and should be.

As far as my respect (not!) for the correct police, I'm fond of pointing out that, for all the care, love and attention to detail that went into my BN, I made a point of putting back a couple of bent box nails that Grandpa used to replace lost cotter pins. I did paint them, though, if that counts! ;8^) And it doesn't bother me in the least that the paint on the drawbar has been scuffed up by hitching it to implements or by the clevises I use to chain it down to the trailer.

By the bye, the turd hearse in the pics is a 100, the "Cub" spreader you asked about the other evening as I was loading up after our town's 4th of July parade. I've got the shields/fenders for it, but they need some work. The extra pics are to give the detail of both sides of the sign I put in it. It was a big hit.

 

[IH fan]

(quoted from post at 08:57:38 08/21/09) whats the difference between restored and refurbished in the workshop, Thanks

I like Scotty's answers . My explaination then would be "Restored is to look at, but not touch and refurbished is nicely fixed up to put back to work".

 

[ScottyHOMeY]

We'll see what happens

 

[D Slater]

Restored is a term used losely. To me restored means everything repaired to operate as it should, leaks fixed, no dents, cleaned and painted if needed. Refurbished may be about the same but with less cosmetic work. If they say restored to original, that takes a lot of work and tractor operating and looking as close to how it was originaly sold. Even the tires would be like the original. I'm like Rusty, not many tractors like that. Lots of auctioneers call anything with paint put on it restored, even if the paint is over, caked on dirt, grease or whatever and leaks.
One example is the Super MTA tractor the FFA is selling rafle tickets for. It was in the redpower magazine and at redpower round up. It said restored in the article and goes on to say they went through the tractor and repaired most everything. Was it restored to original, no it had a non original engine block, transmission and axle housings to name a few. Does that matter to most people, nope. Would the tractor still do the same job, yes. Would people still want the tractor, yes. Does it hurt the value of tractor, to some yes to others no.

 

[Red Mist]

(quoted from post at 06:57:38 08/21/09) whats the difference between restored and refurbished in the workshop, Thanks

As I was taught years ago by an AACA (antique automobile club of america) judge, restored means "[b:bfafd51db7][i:bfafd51db7]indistuinguishable from a perfectly cared for original[/i:bfafd51db7][/b:bfafd51db7]".
Refurbished means something less.
mike

 

[Dave H (MI)]

Wondering if that is the spreader they have at the auction? Problem is, it's about two hours away and the auctioneers have, to be polite, a limited ability to answer questions. Would like one of those...or a 200...though. Like your pictures a lot. Post those over in the land of (again to be kind) "eccentric" folks and you will likely draw the ire of everyones favorite troll. The girls are taking me to the MMOGTC show tomorrow. Truly one of the best days of the year. I can already taste the kettle corn...

 

[ScottyHOMeY]

Eccentric? Moi?

Our summer has made for field corn that is only just now knee-high. Good chance a lot will be chopped to try and salvage someting out of it. Any sweet corn being brought in is puny.

We generally get pretty good native corn up here, but the way things are this year, I'll be SOME envious if you get into some good stuff.

If you should, enjoy!

 

[Anonymous-0]

Thanks Guys talk about good feedback, I am going to restore my grandfathers 1948 Farmall H, this is going to be my first project like this, you all will be hearing from me again .

 

[scot in pa]

I always thought that a DuPont restoration was when someone smurf spuzzed a few leaks, maybe lowered the oil level to help stop the leaking, scraped off the gunk, and painted it to hide how bad it had been abused, usually because they are trying to get it sold.

 

[Tom Fleming]

Good thread here, and not much that I disagree with. BTW, I am the guy who posted looking for the "dot" bolts........and I am probably somewhere in the middle as far as "correct" police.

I for the most part, attempt to use original parts, or "correct" replacements wherever I can. I also use clothbraided wire on my spark plugs for the F-20 and F-12. AND, my current 12 volt conversions get put back to 6 volt.

Now, I grew up on a farm, and used a lot of finish nails for cotter pins, and bailing wire (how many here are old enough to remenber that) in place of bolts/clamps.

I personallly like the challenge of making one of my toys as close as possible to how it came from the factory......because the chase for the parts is actually fun to me. AND YES, I do have some grade 5 and grade 8 bolts with fresh paint on them!!!!

But, you are right, there are people who take it waaaaaaay too far. Mine is for the fun of it, and the tidbit of pride saying "this is orginial". The beauty here is everyone can make their own deicision, and be "right".

How many people here took the time to put the wire and lead crimp back on their govenor assembly after they rebuilt it? 8)

 

[NDS]

Have seen some rstored tractors that were not refurbished, they look great sitting at show but when being driven back to traile you can see they would never survive a 16 hour day of tillage work.

 

[ScottyHOMeY]

What's with scraping off the gunk? Okay, I misspoke. A good rattle can restoration is lie cheat and steal to get it to run, and paint right over the gunk. Then clap Super decals on it.