Dorset 363

[Dieseltech]

Anyone ever install the Dorset 363 diesel engine in a Ford 6000 to replace the 242?

 

[ole fred]

What is a Dorset 363?

 

[Dieseltech]

What is a Dorset 363?

It's a Ford six cylinder diesel used in some Claas combines and some marine applications too.

 

[Bob NY]

Anyone ever install the Dorset 363 diesel engine in a Ford 6000 to replace the 242?

What is the horsepower output?

 

[quasistatic]

Is anyone aware of any engine that is available that can be used to replace the Ford 242 diesel in the Ford 6000 tractor? Maybe a Ford industrial engine?

 

[Fordfarmer]

It's a Ford six cylinder diesel used in some Claas combines and some marine applications too.

The Dorset 380 was used in the Claas Dominator 85/Ford 642, and the New Holland 1400... possibly others. It was rated at 120-130 h.p, depending on the governed rpm setting. The Dorset 363 turbo was used in some of the TR series New Holland combines (around 150 h.p.) Im not aware of the 363 or 363 turbo being used in Claas combines.
The 363 would be around 100 h.p. at the flywheel... significantly more than the 6000's engine... and significantly more torque, as well.

 

[Bob NY]

Is anyone aware of any engine that is available that can be used to replace the Ford 242 diesel in the Ford 6000 tractor? Maybe a Ford industrial engine?

If you are looking for a diesel, I don't have an answer for you. As for gas engines, I think any of the early Ford overhead valve 6 cylinders (1952 to early 1960s) will fit.

 

[agjim]

The closest thing to "fitting" is the 223 and 262 car and truck engine. It will bolt in but you'll have to fabricate governors and hyd. pump drive. The car and truck engine will have a down draft carb. which will interfere with the fuel tank. I used a diesel manifold by welding a flange for an updraft carb.
There is a man in Missouri that put a 363 combine engine in a 6000. My son knows what part of Missouri he is located. Let me know if you need that info.

 

[quasistatic]

I am looking for a diesel solution. Putting in another worn 242 is a possibility for me but doesn't excite me much, equally a gasoline solution. Something where parts are available for a diesel engine would be a much better option to restore these tractors and give me the motivation to do it. Perhaps the "Dorset 363" engine can be a solution, although I admit the much higher horsepower is a concern.

Thank you agjim for the information and the lead, I would very much appreciate speaking with the man your son knows in Missouri. If you can send me that contact information I would be most grateful.

 

[Bob NY]

I am looking for a diesel solution. Putting in another worn 242 is a possibility for me but doesn't excite me much, equally a gasoline solution. Something where parts are available for a diesel engine would be a much better option to restore these tractors and give me the motivation to do it. Perhaps the "Dorset 363" engine can be a solution, although I admit the much higher horsepower is a concern.

Thank you agjim for the information and the lead, I would very much appreciate speaking with the man your son knows in Missouri. If you can send me that contact information I would be most grateful.

This is just a wild-hair suggestion. Is there any possibility that an Allis Chalmers 301 could be adapted to a 6000? The Allis 180 and the 6000 were both rated around 66 PTO horsepower.

 

[Ford9000puller]

I am looking for a diesel solution. Putting in another worn 242 is a possibility for me but doesn't excite me much, equally a gasoline solution. Something where parts are available for a diesel engine would be a much better option to restore these tractors and give me the motivation to do it. Perhaps the "Dorset 363" engine can be a solution, although I admit the much higher horsepower is a concern.

Thank you agjim for the information and the lead, I would very much appreciate speaking with the man your son knows in Missouri. If you can send me that contact information I would be most grateful.

I’m probably who he’s thinking of in Missouri. My brother had a 6000 with a 363 him, our dad and I put in it. He used it for tractor pulling only. It ran very well and held up just fine. We made our own adapter plate to bolt the engine to the transmission and had the input shaft of the transmission lengthened to couple to a splined piece we had made that bolted to the flywheel. Since he was only pulling it we didn’t have hydraulics. That would be a little challenging to make work like the original 6000 hydraulics but it could be done. With no hydraulics it took some different attempts to make brakes work but I finally found a way to make them work thanks to some help from a long time 6000 puller in Wisconsin. It was a unique and very impressive running tractor. He sold it recently to a guy in Southern Illinois.

 

[Dieseltech]

I’m probably who he’s thinking of in Missouri. My brother had a 6000 with a 363 him, our dad and I put in it. He used it for tractor pulling only. It ran very well and held up just fine. We made our own adapter plate to bolt the engine to the transmission and had the input shaft of the transmission lengthened to couple to a splined piece we had made that bolted to the flywheel. Since he was only pulling it we didn’t have hydraulics. That would be a little challenging to make work like the original 6000 hydraulics but it could be done. With no hydraulics it took some different attempts to make brakes work but I finally found a way to make them work thanks to some help from a long time 6000 puller in Wisconsin. It was a unique and very impressive running tractor. He sold it recently to a guy in Southern Illinois.

Thanks for replying, if I recall I think I've seen that tractor in a video before awhile back. Did you have a turbo on it or leave it NA? I'm tempted to put together one like that too. What was his favorite SOS pulling gear?

 

[Ford9000puller]

Thanks for replying, if I recall I think I've seen that tractor in a video before awhile back. Did you have a turbo on it or leave it NA? I'm tempted to put together one like that too. What was his favorite SOS pulling gear?

First ran it non turbo in 3.5 mph classes. Our club then added 5&8 mph farm classes so we put the turbo back on. In 8mph classes I think he would run in 7th gear

 

[Fritz Maurer]

I am looking for a diesel solution. Putting in another worn 242 is a possibility for me but doesn't excite me much, equally a gasoline solution. Something where parts are available for a diesel engine would be a much better option to restore these tractors and give me the motivation to do it. Perhaps the "Dorset 363" engine can be a solution, although I admit the much higher horsepower is a concern.

Thank you agjim for the information and the lead, I would very much appreciate speaking with the man your son knows in Missouri. If you can send me that contact information I would be most grateful.

Why another worn 242? Rebuild the one you have. Won't be any harder to get parts for that the 363...

I have a 242 in an air compressor and get parts via industrial engine distributors.

 

[quasistatic]

Why another worn 242? Rebuild the one you have. Won't be any harder to get parts for that the 363...

I have a 242 in an air compressor and get parts via industrial engine distributors.

Thank you Fritz for the response.

If rebuilding the existing Ford 6000 tractor engine (Ford diesel 242) is possible then I completely agree that it is preferable as I found that engine long-lived and well performing until my brother forgot to check the oil (even a great engine will burn some oil after 50 years) and threw a crank rod out the side of the block.

My personal experience is that I have been unable to source a rebuilt kit or really any new internal parts at all over the course of many years of looking. I can find lots of parts for the gas engine but not the 242. Perhaps my search has been inadequate? Or maybe it is that I have limited my search to the agricultural applications as I have the understanding that this particular engine was only utilized in the Ford 6000 tractors. I am not aware of any "industrial" applications.

If you have a source for parts, i.e. if you know of a specific distributor I would be extremely grateful if you could pass that information along. I have searched far and wide for almost tens years now and had little luck.

I suspect that the Ford 242 industrial engine you are referring to might be the 4 cylinder industrial engine (Ford 2701E) and is not related at all to the 242 6 cylinder engine found in the Ford 6000 tractors. Which of course, if true, would definitely not be a direct replacement drop-in for the Ford 6000 tractors.

 

[Dieseltech]

Thank you Fritz for the response.

If rebuilding the existing Ford 6000 tractor engine (Ford diesel 242) is possible then I completely agree that it is preferable as I found that engine long-lived and well performing until my brother forgot to check the oil (even a great engine will burn some oil after 50 years) and threw a crank rod out the side of the block.

My personal experience is that I have been unable to source a rebuilt kit or really any new internal parts at all over the course of many years of looking. I can find lots of parts for the gas engine but not the 242. Perhaps my search has been inadequate? Or maybe it is that I have limited my search to the agricultural applications as I have the understanding that this particular engine was only utilized in the Ford 6000 tractors. I am not aware of any "industrial" applications.

If you have a source for parts, i.e. if you know of a specific distributor I would be extremely grateful if you could pass that information along. I have searched far and wide for almost tens years now and had little luck.

I have two 6000 242 diesel engines here that would need gone through, at least there's no block rod ventilation holes in them.

 

[Fordfarmer]

Thank you Fritz for the response.

If rebuilding the existing Ford 6000 tractor engine (Ford diesel 242) is possible then I completely agree that it is preferable as I found that engine long-lived and well performing until my brother forgot to check the oil (even a great engine will burn some oil after 50 years) and threw a crank rod out the side of the block.

My personal experience is that I have been unable to source a rebuilt kit or really any new internal parts at all over the course of many years of looking. I can find lots of parts for the gas engine but not the 242. Perhaps my search has been inadequate? Or maybe it is that I have limited my search to the agricultural applications as I have the understanding that this particular engine was only utilized in the Ford 6000 tractors. I am not aware of any "industrial" applications.

If you have a source for parts, i.e. if you know of a specific distributor I would be extremely grateful if you could pass that information along. I have searched far and wide for almost tens years now and had little luck.

I suspect that the Ford 242 industrial engine you are referring to might be the 4 cylinder industrial engine (Ford 2701E) and is not related at all to the 242 6 cylinder engine found in the Ford 6000 tractors. Which of course, if true, would definitely not be a direct replacement drop-in for the Ford 6000 tractors.

I'm pretty sure the 4 cylinder Dorset industrial is 254 c.i.

 

[quasistatic]

I'm pretty sure the 4 cylinder Dorset industrial is 254 c.i.

My understanding is that there are two sizes; of the Ford 2701 engine, the Lehman 80 (4D254 or Ford 2701C) and the Lehman 70 (4D242 or Ford 2701E). Both of these are 4 cylinder engines rather than 6 cylinders. So I believe it is the Ford 2701E that has a displacement equal to the Ford 6000 tractor engine but is a 4 cylinder rather than the needed 6 cylinders.

 

[Dieseltech]

My understanding is that there are two sizes; of the Ford 2701 engine, the Lehman 80 (4D254 or Ford 2701C) and the Lehman 70 (4D242 or Ford 2701E). Both of these are 4 cylinder engines rather than 6 cylinders. So I believe it is the Ford 2701E that has a displacement equal to the Ford 6000 tractor engine but is a 4 cylinder rather than the needed 6 cylinders.

Why not look into the Cummins B series repower like some other makes are doing now, 4BT 3.9 or 6B 5.9 ..

 

[Hacke]

This site has a load of information mainly regarding marine applications, but also a lot of reading about Ford industrial engines. It is a mouthful, search the page for Dorset and you get to the right places:

Ford Industrial Power Products Diesel Engines - everythingaboutboats.org

Industrial Engine Operation ⇒ Ford Power Products Ford Motor Company has long been an industry leader in supplying powertrain systems to the industrial and power generation markets. Originally established in 1947 as the “Industrial Engine Operation of Ford Motor Company”, and going by several...

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