Electric heater ??? OT ??

[Anonymous-0]

Someone trying to sucker? or sell wife on EDENPURE heater. I say 1500 watts is 1500 watts.They are telling her 2 of them are heating a larger split-level house @ reasonable cost
I'll buy an electric heater if she wants it,but can't see paying $225.00 for something that will do no more than a $25.00 milkhouse unit will.
Thanks

 

[big fred]

It's been almost a week since the last Eden Pure heater discussion on here.

 

[GordoSD]

You are right. Get the milkhouse unit.

 

[LenND]

Friend Of mine bought one a couple years ago and really liked it. Then he got his light bill for that first month. Ouch!

 

[Russ from MN]

They are made in the US!!

 

[wisbaker]

A whole week, that's a new record! Look at your light bill, find your KwH charge multiply that charge by 1.5 for each heater then multiply that by the number of hours you're going to run it. Compare that to what you're spending now. Electric heat is efficient, it's just electricity cost per BTU is 3 or 4 times more than Natural gas.

 

[Gambles]

Ask any knowledgeable electrician. A watt is a watt is a watt. There are knockoffs with three times the warranty at one third of the price.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Have you ever considered wiring in base board heaters? They are made in several different types of baseboard heaters. I wired in two 240 volt heaters for the price of one Eden Pure. I put them on second floor where temp stays about 65 to 68 degrees in winter. With these heater we will be able to keep the bedrooms warmer( getting old and can't stand the cold as well as when we younger). We built the house in the late 70's and at that time 12" of insulation was what they reommended in the attic. We up graded to 20" and makes a big difference in heating and cooling.

 

[John T]

We have beat this to death on here?? Unless they changed the laws of Physics and Thermodynamics, last time I checked electric resistance heaters produce 3.41 BTU/KW i.e. a 1500 watt electric resistance heater produces 5115 BTU and the volume/area it can heat (to what delta T) is a function of the room size,,,,,,,ambient temperature,,,,,,insulation (heat loss)

REGARDLESS IF ITS A $300 EDEN PURE HEATER OR A WALLY WORLD $20 SPECIAL (Hey if you had 15 100 watt light bulbs in the room isnt that still 1500 watts, they get pretty hot ya know lol, use them for heat and you also get light yayyyyyy ??)

HOWEVER, sure the Eden Pure looks prettier and can be somewhat safer and can be better quality then the $20 heater Wellllllll DUHHHHHHHHH so if that turns your crank or floats your boat its your money and your choice but just dont be fooled its somehow miraculously defies the laws of physics and can produce more BTU per KW then a cheaper electric resistance heater...or can heat more area/volume given the same circumstances and conditions a cheaper electric resistance heater could

Hey Im rusty as an old nail on the latest electrical codes and long retired from EE practice, but far as I know the above still holds true doesnt it????????

John T

 

[John T]

I know, but its that time of year lol its gettin colddddddddddddd

John T

 

[Geo-TH,In]

John,
No court has over turned any Laws of Physics, yet.

As for portable electric heaters, I like the oil filled heaters. Think they are safer, no fans, no hot wires.

I have 10 rental places that I installed electric baseboard heaters with thermostats in every room. Liked it so much did the same with my house. It's cheap, easy to install, and maintance free. Tenants like them too. No hot or cold spots, set the temp you want in the room and forget about it.

I know a person who has electric baseboards in every room. Only uses two of them, two 8 footers, one in living room and one in bedroom. Well insulated 1500 square ft home.


George

 

[buickanddeere]

Right now with the price of LP and natural gas. The place electric heat pays is for very small isolated locations. Such, as extra heat in a bathroom , infront of the tv, pump house freeze protection or over a work bench.

 

[Chris Jones]

Well said. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

 

[Chris Jones]

Space heating is an advantage of electrical resistance heating and if done correctly that can save you money.

Given the cost of fuel oil and propane and I reckon natural gas, electric is not that expensive any more. I still believe heat pumps are the cheapest way to warm a heat a house. But I understand they are not that good in colder climates and thus not popular in northern states.

A couple years ago I was considering ways to heat up my shop quicker than my kerosene heater. I considered buying another kerosene heater to help it. I considered several types of propane heaters and I considered using several of the $5 - $10 electric heaters that I've picked up over the years at yard sales. I sat down and did the math on watts and cost and btus and cost and came to the conclusion that with the high cost of propane and kerosene I'd be better off to use the electric heaters and the kerosene heater I have already. Not having to buy any new heating equipment was just the icing on the cake.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Chris,
Another up side to electric baseboard heat is you don't have heat loss in trunk lines, the cost to operate a fan, no air filters to change, no fan motors to oil, squirel cages to clean, no gas valves going bad, thermocouples, ingiters, brain boxes, service calls. They are almost bullet proof. As a landlord, people may not pay their gas bill and have the gas turned off. Tenants won't go very long with their electric turned off.

I look at electric baseboard as the only way to go. Even better than heat pumps in the long run, if you factor how long a heat pump will last, the repairs, cost to install, additional property taxes added to heat pumps.

I think electric is a no brainer, but sure some people have a different opinion. Still won't change my opinion.

George

 

[BDT/NWMN]

(reply to post at 17:02:57 11/01/12)

There are a bunch of Amish folks in our area..... Maybe I should ask if they would build a nice polished wooden cabinet for my $15 milkhouse heater??

 

[Chris Jones]

Good point but if you need AC then going heat pump for heat adds very little additional cost and complexity.

 

[circus]

You mean Bob Veela or that phoney handy man from Tool Time is trying to rip you off?
The wrong people are in prison.
I'm like solar heat but boy what a bunch of shysters.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Chris,
I use my 25 year old gas furnace as an air handler for my 12 year old central. My original central was 30 years old when compressor died.

Heat pumps are expensive to install and maintain. They still need a back up heat source when it gets cold. Look at the average life expendency of a heat pump vs a centeral air. I've seen central airs last between 25-30 years if taken care of. This depends on where you live too. Ask a realtor on how long they think a heat pump will last. Realtors, because they sell homes and know first hand how long heat pumps last.

Heat pumps will still have heat losses in trunk line. The SEER of a heat pump doesn't factor in the blower on air handler. Do numbers lie or do liers use numbers sell heat pumps?

Heat pumps, IMHO, are a cold heat source. Lucky to have a 20 degree increase in the air temp. More like a chill factor not a heating factor. You won't sell me a heat pump. 45 years ago I worked my way through college as an HVAC mechanic at Bethlehem Steel. Worked on everything from 100 hp chillers to 5000 btu window units.

When it comes to heating, my theory is to keep it simple, KISS.

George

 

[greygoat]

This subject comes up in this forum every year
at this time. The answer, that it is a sucker deal is always brought up...but...there are
always some that will argue that paying over
$200, for a $15.00 milkhouse heater, in a fancy
cabinet is getting them a wonder product, and you
can't protect a fool from himself!
P.T. Barnum said it:"There's a sucker born every
minute"

 

[Jon Hagen]

The only thing the fancy 1500 watt heater MAY do better than the $20 , 1500 watt milk room heater is move the air further with a stronger fan. Kind of like what you would have if you set a medium size $10 box fan infront of the $20 milk house heater.;-)

 

[John D Smith]

Those Edenpure heaters remind me of the perpetual motion machines, they are suppose to put out more energy than is put into them. At least that is what the ads try to convey. But the 2nd law of thermodynamics gets them every time.