EV tractor sales

[Dean]

Sure. And everything will reset back to pre 1800 too. Good luck with no petro chemicals.

Bingo.

 

[Dean]

In the utility 40 hp class selectrac started general market sales this year of a compact electric tractor.
They sold 75 units in first 6 months of production this year . A farmer on ewe tube demo one, he has loader and
takes two 900 -1000 lb hay bales every morning out to the cow pasture with this tractor. One bale per trip.
He says no worries about starting a combustion engine on cold morning ,no dead battery. no fuel gelling..no purchase diesel
fuel . Reliable work horse. Says the battery drops 1 % after morning chores finished .
Are these going to take over th3 40 horse utility tractor market. Did we see the start of the switch to the compact electric tractor in 2023 ?

"Are these going to take over th3 40 horse utility tractor market."

Not without government intervention in the free market.

 

[WNYBill]

Batteries and a CHEAP way to produce electricity and the EV market will become viable. I keep looking for a gasoline powered compact tractor. I can see that cutting $5K off the tractor price. I just priced a 50 hp MF compact $40K + tax=$43.2K I'll keep fixing the junk!

 

[Factotum]

The next leap forward will make a real difference in battery/power storage capabilities. It's difficult to see how we can get off of fossil fuels but it probably was impossible to consider gas powered equipment and the way we use it now being realistic when the horse and buggy ruled the world. Being from Canada I hope the goverment (not the current one I know) capitalizes on our massive reserves of natural gas before it becomes faux pas. Necessity is the mother of invention, when the fossil fuels become too expensive to produce, power storage systems will become better and more efficient. It is progress, it's already happening and has been ever since the world became mechanized. Impossibilities have become possibile countless times.

 

[used red MN]

Actually renewables made up almost 25% of our total power production last year, this has been steadily increasing every year. At the current rate if will be 50% in less than a decade.

If backwards thinking regions would get onboard we would already be at 50%.

I just did a search and it said 10 percent of US power is from wind and 3 percent solar. I suppose hydroelectric needs figured in there which is 6 percent, so that’s 19% which is close to your 25. I realize internet figures are not real solid. I just don’t feel like highly subsidized renewables are the “fall off a log” answer.

 

[GChief]

I just did a search and it said 10 percent of US power is from wind and 3 percent solar. I suppose hydroelectric needs figured in there which is 6 percent, so that’s 19% which is close to your 25. I realize internet figures are not real solid. I just don’t feel like highly subsidized renewables are the “fall off a log” answer.

I got my info from the Dept of Energy site a couple of months ago for a conversation on another site. Old people complain about EVs all over the internet.

At least you admit to the "feel" part, many just state their opinions and feelings as facts.

Edit: damn it, I mentioned a gov agency now all these villagers will lite their touches.

 

[Dean]

Batteries and a CHEAP way to produce electricity and the EV market will become viable. I keep looking for a gasoline powered compact tractor. I can see that cutting $5K off the tractor price. I just priced a 50 hp MF compact $40K + tax=$43.2K I'll keep fixing the junk!

Agreed.

Absent government intervention to the contrary, gasoline engines make sense in this market.

 

[GChief]

For now, it that will change as the technology advances. EVs were not doing what they can do now 20yrs ago.

 

[used red MN]

The next leap forward will make a real difference in battery/power storage capabilities. It's difficult to see how we can get off of fossil fuels but it probably was impossible to consider gas powered equipment and the way we use it now being realistic when the horse and buggy ruled the world. Being from Canada I hope the goverment (not the current one I know) capitalizes on our massive reserves of natural gas before it becomes faux pas. Necessity is the mother of invention, when the fossil fuels become too expensive to produce, power storage systems will become better and more efficient. It is progress, it's already happening and has been ever since the world became mechanized. Impossibilities have become possibile countless times.

Batteries 20 years ago weren't good enough. They have become better.

Your 20 year number kind of messed with my thought pattern towards your reply 7. I thought you were working in a much shorter time frame. I agree with most of what you’ve said in reply 24. The availability of fossil fuels will have to go down and its cost will have to be much more of an economic burden than it currently is before this will start happening. In my opinion this change needs to be driven more by its “real” economics than by being told “these things are the greatest” that’s why they’re so expensive.

 

[scootergmc]

You guys will dig up a year old thread to argue about EVs.

 

[Factotum]

Your 20 year number kind of messed with my thought pattern towards your reply 7. I thought you were working in a much shorter time frame. I agree with most of what you’ve said in reply 24. The availability of fossil fuels will have to go down and its cost will have to be much more of an economic burden than it currently is before this will start happening. In my opinion this change needs to be driven more by its “real” economics than by being told “these things are the greatest” that’s why they’re so expensive.

The current EV is certainly not anywhere being "the greatest" as politicians would have us think. They actually are incredibly poor overall with temperature and capacity problems plaguing the design. My sister bought a Hyindai Ionic and has range and capacity issues already and it only has 5000 miles on it. Hyundai isn't willing to replace the battery as it's cost is 90% of the vehicle purchase price! In Canada, we unfortunately don't have a lemon law like in some US states so that isn't an option for her. The world needs ways of making what we have in fossil fuel much more efficient. The car manufacturers are using a loophole that reduces the mandatory fuel efficiency requirement depending on the size of the vehicle. This is partly the reason why pickup trucks are ridiculously bloated vs what they were years ago. My '23 Toyota Tacoma extended cab has the identical dimensions of a 1970 Chevy half ton regular cab pickup truck. Width, length and height. It is miles ahead in fuel economy but not anywhere near where it needs to be. Our fossil fuel reserves could sustain centuries of use if we make the vehicles as fuel efficient as they should be. Not what the manufacturers can get away with. We don't really need to push EVs but it gives politicians something to crow about as we're saving the planet. Much better fuel efficiency would do just as well to save the planet but that isn't in fashion, and don't even consider taking away my silly, giant, manly pickup truck. It is a conundrum.

 

[Dean]

Your 20 year number kind of messed with my thought pattern towards your reply 7. I thought you were working in a much shorter time frame. I agree with most of what you’ve said in reply 24. The availability of fossil fuels will have to go down and its cost will have to be much more of an economic burden than it currently is before this will start happening. In my opinion this change needs to be driven more by its “real” economics than by being told “these things are the greatest” that’s why they’re so expensive.

Bingo, again.

 

[tractorford]

if they can make some kinda fangled retro-drop-in-engine-kit that fits the Ford hundred/thousand whatever series , thatd just be plum puddin i tell you wut.... itd make for an interesting option... viable..... shrug... but an option...

as far as fossilized fuel sources go, pretty sure most all of us are gonna carcinogenically rot out from the inside-outside and expire from our earthly bones due to our carcino-genius lifestyle and/or diets... tbh...

 

[GChief]

if they can make some kinda fangled retro-drop-in-engine-kit that fits the Ford hundred/thousand whatever series , thatd just be plum puddin i tell you wut.... itd make for an interesting option... viable..... shrug... but an option...

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/11/02/all-electric-f-100-eluminator-concept.html

 

[tractorford]

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/11/02/all-electric-f-100-eluminator-concept.html

thats great lol- they even call it something funny... the "Eluminator" concept

now if they could just lower the price barrier entry cost of $3900 to say.... $1200.... possibly dropping on the quality thus making it lot more dangerous and slightly more affordable you got yourself a customer.

 

[GChief]

thats great lol- they even call it something funny... the "Eluminator" concept

I have been thinking of getting the crate motor for my 65 Galaxie.

 

[showcrop]

There, there, everything will be alright. Oil can last up to 50 years, natural gas up to 53 years, and coal up to 114 years. So maybe we need to be thinking about some alternatives. May be we shouldn't be just thinking, maybe we really ought to be coming up with some alternatives. Or maybe we should even be switching some of our consumption over to renewables from fossil fuels. Of course we need to anticipate that as reserves dwindle prices will of course go up, simple supply and demand. Increases in fossil fuel costs will of course drive customers away to what will become the lower priced alternative: renewables. Fortunately for the elderly among us who can't accept change, there are enough responsible forward thinking people around to push the needle just far enough to get the alternatives and renewables coming along so that we don't have to have major wars to get our oil, or for those of us under fifty years old, have to purchase and start filling up our own thousand gallon reserves next year.

 

[Mcrafty1]

The next leap forward will make a real difference in battery/power storage capabilities. It's difficult to see how we can get off of fossil fuels but it probably was impossible to consider gas powered equipment and the way we use it now being realistic when the horse and buggy ruled the world. Being from Canada I hope the goverment (not the current one I know) capitalizes on our massive reserves of natural gas before it becomes faux pas. Necessity is the mother of invention, when the fossil fuels become too expensive to produce, power storage systems will become better and more efficient. It is progress, it's already happening and has been ever since the world became mechanized. Impossibilities have become possibile countless times.

The only way fossil fuels will become too expensive to produce is just the way it gets its cost today, government regulations. The governments all say they won't outlaw fossil fuels, they'll just regulate them out of business. That is at least, for the individual consumer, they'll always need fossil fuels to generate enough electricity to charge the new age electric world. There will never be enough wind nor enough sun to generate even a fraction of what will be needed if they are successful in banning fossil fueled autos and other uses we now rely on fossil fuels to produce.

 

[Dean]

The only way fossil fuels will become too expensive to produce is just the way it gets its cost today, government regulations. The governments all say they won't outlaw fossil fuels, they'll just regulate them out of business. That is at least, for the individual consumer, they'll always need fossil fuels to generate enough electricity to charge the new age electric world. There will never be enough wind nor enough sun to generate even a fraction of what will be needed if they are successful in banning fossil fueled autos and other uses we now rely on fossil fuels to produce.

Double bingo.

 

[GChief]