FEL for 8N

[NOXJohn]

One of the regulars on this board has a Ford 19-97 front end loader for sale. He thinks it may be to much for my 1950 8N side mount. Does anyone have a 19-97 on an 8N and if so how well does it work? If a 19-97 is to much for an 8N what is the suggested FEL that can be used? I plan to use it to clear snow only. I have another 8N to mow and do other chores with. I back bladed 24" of snow last week and 18+" this week. I want a FEL before next winter so I will not need to do that again.

 

[Dean]

John:

Though I am unfamiliar with the 19-97 loader, a FEL is far from ideal for clearing snow.

A front blade is much more satisfactory.

If you do use a FEL you will need lots of rear ballast and chains to move much snow.

Dean

 

[JW Axtell]

(quoted from post at 16:05:42 02/13/10) One of the regulars on this board has a Ford 19-97 front end loader for sale. He thinks it may be to much for my 1950 8N side mount. Does anyone have a 19-97 on an 8N and if so how well does it work? If a 19-97 is to much for an 8N what is the suggested FEL that can be used? I plan to use it to clear snow only. I have another 8N to mow and do other chores with. I back bladed 24" of snow last week and 18+" this week. I want a FEL before next winter so I will not need to do that again.

I have a FEL with a snow blade and I love it . Like you I struggled with that back blade all last winter. I however, have a remote hydraulic so that I can use both the rear and front blades but all could be done with with the front only.
Set up: Chains, loaded tires and backblade with 400lbs weight added to it.

 

[old]

I do not have a 19-97 loader but I do have a 19-71 and a 19-21 loader on 8Ns. Yes a loader with the right blade set up is by far better then any back blade will ever be. I built a V-plow that fits on my 841 Ford with loader and have not used the back blade for much other then weight and it has 6-85lbs suit case weights on it plus a 150lbs wheel weight on the center link hook up so it has a lot of weight on behind and you will need that also just for traction

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 16:49:52 02/13/10) John:

Though I am unfamiliar with the 19-97 loader, a FEL is far from ideal for clearing snow.

A front blade is much more satisfactory.

If you do use a FEL you will need lots of rear ballast and chains to move much snow.

Dean

While a blade works well for moderate snowfalls on nice flat areas with lots of room to plow to the side it's worthless when you have to pile it up, dump it over fence lines, or the snow is so deep you can't push it more than a few feet. I've been plowing for almost a week solid with the front loader on my litttle Kubby and yes it is slow because the bucket is small. Some of the piles are nearly 8' high simply because there was no place to push it and I've dumped truck loads of it over the fence to make room for more. Some of the piles have even been dug out to make room for more. I bought the Kubby with the loader in 1996 after our last "Great Snow" specifically because of this. An 8N with a front blade would still be sitting in a walled up little hole of it's own making with absolutely no way to move the snow.

That said if I were you John I'd go shopping for a 4wd compact with a loader or better yet a nice big old International - they are a dime a dozen up your way. I've been kicking myself all week for passing on a $3000 hydro not far from you a few months ago. More tractor than I needed or so I thought....

TOH

PS> You couldn't rent a backhoe around here last week - I tried....

 

[BillM (OH)]

I finally got tired of messing around with the 861, front blade, loaded tires and double ring chains for plowing up on the NY farm. Got a 4 wheeler with
4 WD, locked differentials, chains and a 4 foot snowblower on the front run by an 11 horse Honda - 1 pass down and 1 pass back & snow gone - best outfit for moving snow I have.

 

[Anonymous-0]

What TOH said.

I bought my 2N w/a Wagner WM4 FEL. FEL was a requirement. As you prolly know, a FEL will make steering harder. Aint bad if your moving, on snow you'll slide more.

Keep the bucket up a few inches, use the back blade for cleanup. Push the piles back for the next time.

HTH..have fun...don t. .....

 

[NOXJohn]

JW what type of loader is that on your tractor?

 

[JW Axtell]

(quoted from post at 08:01:38 02/14/10) JW what type of loader is that on your tractor?

The loader is a FASCO "trip bucket" The front plow is a Dearborn.
I found the loader in a roadside brier patch. The owner said he only wanted $25.00. Thought it a great bargain until after getting it home saw all the welding that need to be done, as well as two new cylinders. In the end I put about $450.00 into it. Still I like it and think it worth the price.

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 11:24:16 02/14/10)

(quoted from post at 08:01:38 02/14/10) JW what type of loader is that on your tractor?

The loader is a FASCO "trip bucket" The front plow is a Dearborn.
I found the loader in a roadside brier patch. The owner said he only wanted $25.00. Thought it a great bargain until after getting it home saw all the welding that need to be done, as well as two new cylinders. In the end I put about $450.00 into it. Still I like it and think it worth the price.

Looks like one of the better matches to an 8N that I've seen. Any idea of what it weighs???

TOH

 

[JW Axtell]

(quoted from post at 12:34:41 02/14/10)

(quoted from post at 11:24:16 02/14/10)

(quoted from post at 08:01:38 02/14/10) JW what type of loader is that on your tractor?

Looks like one of the better matches to an 8N that I've seen. Any idea of what it weighs???

TOH

Not really but it's all pretty light. I'm really pretty happy with it. The bucket is 40 inches and I have the solid bottom to go over the tines. Great for lifting logs to cut for firewood! My guess is that I can lift about 1100 lbs which is a weight I feel comfortable about not stressing the tractor too much. I also use about 700lbs on the three point when doing a lot with it.

 

[NoNewParts]

JW,
I had that loader with hydraulic dump on my 841 that I traded away.
I agree, good fit on the Fords, no climbing, very strong.
Rich

 

[TN PASO]

Do you have a full manual for the FASCO 1200??? If so I sure would like a copy

 

[JW Axtell]

(quoted from post at 22:35:54 02/15/10)
Do you have a full manual for the FASCO 1200??? If so I sure would like a copy

Yep e-mail me jwa074??yahoo.com
replace ?? with @

 

[TN PASO]

I've now got the Fasco 1200 onto my Ford 641 with auxiliary valve which allows you to control the loader with a lever under the seat. 3pt operates as normal.

I love it!!!

 

[Pooh Bear]

(quoted from post at 12:36:00 02/14/10) JW,
I had that loader with hydraulic dump on my 841 that I traded away.
I agree, good fit on the Fords, no climbing, very strong.
Rich

How does that loader mount to the front end?

I would love to have a loader like that for my 8N.

Pooh Bear

 

[NoNewParts]

([b:e21300254f]How does that loader mount to the front end?[/b:e21300254f]

I would love to have a loader like that for my 8N.

Pooh Bear)-----

 

[Pooh Bear]

Thanks for the picture. It says that it is for NAA series and later.
Guess it won't work on my 8N. Sure looks great tho.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

 

[wallytoo]

(quoted from post at 06:32:11 03/21/10) Thanks for the picture. It says that it is for NAA series and later.
Guess it won't work on my 8N.

take another look at the picture. the upper section is for "9n 2n and 8n". :wink:

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 07:01:59 03/21/10) ([b:972ca7f02f]How does that loader mount to the front end?[/b:972ca7f02f]

I would love to have a loader like that for my 8N.

Pooh Bear)-----

That's far and away the best front mount design I've seen. I actually toyed with that very idea and I've always wondered why nobody ever used it. Much stronger and distributes the load a lot better - I bet few if any damaged front ends with it.

TOH

 

[Pooh Bear]

Wow, it does say 8N. I totally missed that.

So I could conceivably put a loader on my 8N.
And not one of those jungle gym loaders either.

Sure would like to have measurements on those parts.

Right now all I have is a 24 inch dirt scoop.
And I can't load dirt on a trailer with the scoop.
So I have to make a lot of slow trips with the tractor.
If I could use a small loader scoop (24 to 36 inches wide)
and load a small trailer I could move dirt a lot faster.

Pooh Bear

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 11:05:23 03/24/10) Wow, it does say 8N. I totally missed that.

So I could conceivably put a loader on my 8N.
And not one of those jungle gym loaders either.

Sure would like to have measurements on those parts.

Pooh Bear

Just measure the flange dimensions on your front axle support. The bracket simply wraps around the support and lines up with the existing bolt holes. If you have a support off the tractor just trace the outline and bolt holes onto a piece of plate and have at it with a torch/grinder and drill.

TOH

 

[MMMarvis]

Hello

I know this is a old thread.

But i have gotten a 3000 ford with a FASCO 1200. And 80" snow grain bucket.
Well i just identified it from the owners manual.

I agree its a neat little lift. And i will add down pressure.

with under the seat power 2500 lbs break away and 1250 lifting. 2500psi 5gpm. States 7 sec lifting.
But the front pump option is only 85% ??? And 1400 psi 13 gal?

Why would the bigger front pump be so small?

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 12:03:24 12/26/11)
Hello

I know this is a old thread.

But i have gotten a 3000 ford with a FASCO 1200. And 80" snow grain bucket.
Well i just identified it from the owners manual.

I agree its a neat little lift. And i will add down pressure.

with under the seat power 2500 lbs break away and 1250 lifting. 2500psi 5gpm. States 7 sec lifting.
But the front pump option is only 85% ??? And 1400 psi 13 gal?

Why would the bigger front pump be so small?

If I usnderstand you correctly:

The OEM pump is 5 GPM and produces 2500 PSi
The front pump is 13 GPM and produces 1400 PSI.

The front pump is clearly a larger displacement pump which typically translates into higher flow rates but a lower max pressure for the same input horsepower. Just like a shorter lever moves the load faster but produces less power. I don't understand what the 85% number applies to.

TOH

 

[MMMarvis]

The manual say with the front pump, 1400 psi 13 gal system the FEL only has 85% of the power of the under seat on board hyd system.

1060 lbs vs 1250 lifting.

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 13:54:10 12/26/11)
The manual say with the front pump, 1400 psi 13 gal system the FEL only has 85% of the power of the under seat on board hyd system.

1060 lbs vs 1250 lifting.

Lifting force is directly proportional to the hydraulic pressure and 1400 PSI is only 56% of 2500 PSI so that makes no sense. But 1400 PSI is 85% of 1600 PSI which is likely the relief setting on the internal tractor hydraulics which makes a lot of sense. So even though the OEM pump can produce 2500 PSI it is actually limited to a maximum of 1600 PSI by the tractor's internal over pressure safety valve.

This is pretty much a non-issue. Front mounted gear pumps are inexpensive - $100 will get you a brand new SAE-A two-bolt pump that can produce 13 GPM @ 3600 PSI if you have the engine HP to spin it. The actual maximum pressure would then be limited by the over pressure relief setting in the external loader control valve. That is usually adjustable and commonly comes from the factory preset to either 1600 or 2000 PSI. If the loader hydraulics can safely handle 2000 PSI you would then be looking at a lifting force of 2000/1600 x 1250 = 1500 pounds. In fact the 1400 PSI limit on the front pump may be the relief seting on the external control valve that comes with that setup. Higher relief pressures get you more lifting force but [u:bb3ce2a794][b:bb3ce2a794]EVERYTHING[/b:bb3ce2a794][/u:bb3ce2a794] in the system has to be able to safely handle it - valve, hoses, cylinders, frame of the loader, and the tractor itself.

TOH

 

[Hobo,NC]

(quoted from post at 20:03:24 12/26/11)
Hello

I know this is a old thread.

But i have gotten a 3000 ford with a FASCO 1200. And 80" snow grain bucket.
Well i just identified it from the owners manual.

I agree its a neat little lift. And i will add down pressure.

with under the seat power 2500 lbs break away and 1250 lifting. 2500psi 5gpm. States 7 sec lifting.
But the front pump option is only 85% ??? And 1400 psi 13 gal?

Why would the bigger front pump be so small?

Unless you are doing to add some additional bracing/support adding down pressure is going to break the loader frame... That loader is lite built,,, frame also,,, the frame attaches to the front of the tractor and the rear and no were in between,,, it needs to be attached some were in the center about mid way of the uprights then alone the bottom of the frame... Theirs nuttin HD about that loader...

 

[MMMarvis]

I meant my experience is the front pumps, external pumps are usually bigger more powerful that the pumps built into any tractor.

I thought it should lift more, and 1400psi is low on a system that can handle 2000-2500. Though many relief valves are pre set at 2000-2200

 

[MMMarvis]

Thanks HoBo

These arms have had dents in them, no evidence of breaks, and have been reinforced in key points.

And i have read about the no cross member mid point.
I didn't realize it put that much stress on the loader lifting the machine , getting out of a hole, lifting the front end, back dragging etc.

It doesn't look like it would be hard to add something out of 3/8 1/2 and really tie it all together.

 

[TheOldHokie]

(quoted from post at 14:43:35 12/26/11)


I meant my experience is the front pumps, external pumps are usually bigger more powerful that the pumps built into any tractor.

I thought it should lift more, and 1400psi is low on a system that can handle 2000-2500. Though many relief valves are pre set at 2000-2200

I would call the 13 GPM a lot bigger then the 5 GPM pump in the tractor. The pressure is basically controlled by the relief valve setting and not the pump. FASCO has no control over the internal relief but they do on the external setup. For some reason they decided 1400 PSI was approriate for the external setup - your guess is as good as mine as to why. As HOBO says - the loader itself is lightly built and that may well be the deciding factor.

TOH