ford 3000 - electrical issue or seized engine?

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so my idiot father insisted on driving our ford 3000 over some very steep and narrow furrow ditches while spraying with a completely full 110 gallon sprayer the other day, LOTS of hard bumping, up and down, up and down. afterwards (literally like 200 ft), the light which i believe is the check oil light came on (oil level was fine) and an odd clanking sound was heard. the tractor will not turn on now, it makes a sound exactly like in this video. it ap[pears that owner ended up having a seized engine from breaking the oil pump, and i fear that this has also possibly happened in my tractor.

i have charged/swapped batteries, attempted to jump battery, bypass solenoid, etc. and nothing works.

what else can i try to troubleshoot the problem, and is there any likelyhood if the engine is seized if it can be 'fixed', given how it wasn't driven more than a couple minutes after the clanking noise began/light turned on? i read on some post about trying to start the tractor with the clutch depressed, unsure if that is worth trying, or if every attempt to turn it over creates worse damage

thanks

 

[shaun wallace]

I would drain oil and look for metal. It will be silver looking.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Pull the starter and try turning the ring gear with a pry bar. No more guessing after that. IF it is a seized engine, the starter will come off anyway.

 

[down_right]

I would drain oil and look for metal. It will be silver looking.

No metal, i dropped the oil pan and saw nothing unusual either

 

[down_right]

Pull the starter and try turning the ring gear with a pry bar. No more guessing after that. IF it is a seized engine, the starter will come off anyway.

If it is the starter, how would i go about pull starting this tractor until i can get a replacement? Its a gas, generator no alternator

 

[JMOR]

First thing I would recommend is , stop calling your father an idiot!

 

[Fordfarmer]

If it is the starter, how would i go about pull starting this tractor until i can get a replacement? Its a gas, generator no alternator

Which transmission does it have ? You can not pull start a Select-O-Speed. Otherwise, put it in high gear, open the throttle slightly, and turn the key on. Step on the clutch until whoever is pulling has it rolling, then release the clutch.

 

[Ultradog MN]

First thing I would recommend is , stop calling your father an idiot!

Why?
If idiots can be fathers then fathers can be idiots.
Fathers can also be duplicitous, pitiable, selfish and cruel - all of which are worse than simply being an idiot.

 

[sotxbill]

If it is the starter, how would i go about pull starting this tractor until i can get a replacement? Its a gas, generator no alternator

Its a gas,, then pull the plugs,, and then try to crank it... or get a socket on the front damper bolt and crank over the engine... to see if it turns over or is it locked up... sometimes the start locks into the flywheel and simply turning the engine forwards or back wards will allow the starter to disengage, and unlock the engine...
or put it in high range, high gear,, and rock the tractor with the rear tire back and forth till you see the fan blades turn a bit.

How long did he drive it with the oil pressure light on?? how much oil was in the engine before you pulled the pan... we need the whole story...

 

[Eman85]

Need to take a deep breath and focus. FIRST, try turning the engine by hand. Gas engine you can make it easier by removing spark plugs but you should be able to turn it by rotating the Gen/Alt and holding pressure on the fan belt. If you want you could also remove the starter and use the flywheel teeth and a pry bar to rotate the engine.

 

[Fordfarmer]

Why?
If idiots can be fathers then fathers can be idiots.
Fathers can also be duplicitous, pitiable, selfish and cruel - all of which are worse than simply being an idiot.

true.
but public disrespect for ones parent is never a good look.

 

[Ultradog MN]

true.
but public disrespect for ones parent is never a good look.

You're right Mark.
The Fifth Commandment is the only one that comes with a promise:
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land...”

On the other hand, it is not easy to honor a man who hated, abused and swindled his children.
I just hope I haven't shortened my days a whole lot.

 

[Hobo,NC]

so my idiot father insisted on driving our ford 3000 over some very steep and narrow furrow ditches while spraying with a completely full 110 gallon sprayer the other day, LOTS of hard bumping, up and down, up and down. afterwards (literally like 200 ft), the light which i believe is the check oil light came on (oil level was fine) and an odd clanking sound was heard. the tractor will not turn on now, it makes a sound exactly like in this video. it ap[pears that owner ended up having a seized engine from breaking the oil pump, and i fear that this has also possibly happened in my tractor.

i have charged/swapped batteries, attempted to jump battery, bypass solenoid, etc. and nothing works.

what else can i try to troubleshoot the problem, and is there any likelyhood if the engine is seized if it can be 'fixed', given how it wasn't driven more than a couple minutes after the clanking noise began/light turned on? i read on some post about trying to start the tractor with the clutch depressed, unsure if that is worth trying, or if every attempt to turn it over creates worse damage

thanks

There are enough amps flowing through the ground cable to make it jump. That’s not uncommon to see when the starter is jammed are bad.

Next I would put a voltmeter on the battery then check the amp draw on the starter. If the battery voltage stays above 9.6V and the starter is pulling 350 to 500 amps the battery and all the connections are good. Something has the starter jammed are its bad.

In 60 seconds I would know the fork in the road to take. : )

My take if the battery and connections are good the starter is jammed are bad are something has the engine locked up.

 

[JMOR]

You're right Mark.
The Fifth Commandment is the only one that comes with a promise:
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land...”

On the other hand, it is not easy to honor a man who hated, abused and swindled his children.
I just hope I haven't shortened my days a whole lot.

you heaved

 

[rustred]

No metal, i dropped the oil pan and saw nothing unusual either

so my idiot father insisted on driving our ford 3000 over some very steep and narrow furrow ditches while spraying with a completely full 110 gallon sprayer the other day, LOTS of hard bumping, up and down, up and down. afterwards (literally like 200 ft), the light which i believe is the check oil light came on (oil level was fine) and an odd clanking sound was heard. the tractor will not turn on now, it makes a sound exactly like in this video. it ap[pears that owner ended up having a seized engine from breaking the oil pump, and i fear that this has also possibly happened in my tractor.

i have charged/swapped batteries, attempted to jump battery, bypass solenoid, etc. and nothing works.

what else can i try to troubleshoot the problem, and is there any likelyhood if the engine is seized if it can be 'fixed', given how it wasn't driven more than a couple minutes after the clanking noise began/light turned on? i read on some post about trying to start the tractor with the clutch depressed, unsure if that is worth trying, or if every attempt to turn it over creates worse damage

thanks

From your last paragraph I think your father would call u an idiot. And I am not going to waste my time explaining.

 

[damn1981]

Well that went south in hurry just don't help them if they start forums off like that and leave it
Y'all have a great day

 

[down_right]

Its a gas,, then pull the plugs,, and then try to crank it... or get a socket on the front damper bolt and crank over the engine... to see if it turns over or is it locked up... sometimes the start locks into the flywheel and simply turning the engine forwards or back wards will allow the starter to disengage, and unlock the engine...
or put it in high range, high gear,, and rock the tractor with the rear tire back and forth till you see the fan blades turn a bit.

How long did he drive it with the oil pressure light on?? how much oil was in the engine before you pulled the pan... we need the whole story...

Maybe several hundred feet, slowly.


I don’t think this ford has a high range/transmission, it’s also not a select-o-speed model. It only has the single gear selector joystick, its a 6 speed.

I removed the starter and tried to turn the flywheel, and also jacked up the rear wheels and turned them and no luck.


Before pulling the pan, I drained the engine oil entirely so I could measure it and also avoid a huge mess and it had the appropriate amount.

 

[down_right]

First thing I would recommend is , stop calling your father an idiot!

He’s an idiot because he routinely states he knows better than anyone - including the actual manufacturers of equipment we use - and then proceeds to break or put severe wear on equipment. Then ofc when someone else happens to be using the equipment, or tries to do routine maintenance, the results of the lack of care for the equipment usually appear. And it’s never because he hadn’t changed the filters/oil in nearly 10 years or cultivated in high transmission, or realized that a certain tractor has a separate PS reservoir in the front which was ran dry for years, whoopsie, now the steering doesn’t work!

He can never be bothered to even skim through the manual to understand how to properly use the equipment and it’s cost us tens of thousands in repairs, every year, not to mention the cost of lost productivity from having half of our tractors on a non/functional rotation during most of the year

 

[down_right]

Need to take a deep breath and focus. FIRST, try turning the engine by hand. Gas engine you can make it easier by removing spark plugs but you should be able to turn it by rotating the Gen/Alt and holding pressure on the fan belt. If you want you could also remove the starter and use the flywheel teeth and a pry bar to rotate the engine.

If trying to move the flywheel with a crowbar doesn’t work, is it worth removing the plugs and trying that? Or is it pretty much guaranteed to be seized?

 

[Ultradog MN]

If trying to move the flywheel with a crowbar doesn’t work, is it worth removing the plugs and trying that? Or is it pretty much guaranteed to be seized?

If you have the starter out and can't turn the flywheel with a pry bar then pulling the plugs will do no good. A rod or main bearing is seized to the crank.
I'm sorry you have to live through that kind of stuff. Dunno how old you are. When I got old enough I ran away and joined the Navy.