Ford Engines 134, 172, 192, 220, 240/242

[timberscott]

Looking for horsepower output info re the Ford industrial 4 cylinder engines - 134, 172, 192, 220 and 240/242 cid - gas and diesel.

They were used in log skidders in the early to mid 60's and would likely have a higher power rating than for those used in farm tractors.

Anything you can provide would be appreciated.

Thanks, Scott

 

[Fordfarmer]

The higher h.p. rating is likely from being rated at the flywheel as a power unit for something like a skidder, while tractors most commonly use PTO h.p.
I think the 134 was rated at 40 h.p. at the flywheel... it was 31-32 at the pto (depending on which carb). The diesel version was actually 144 c.i., and was also 32 h.p. at the pto.
172's were 46 (gas, Nebraska test #701) and 41 (diesel, Nebraska test #705) at the pto. That should put them about 55 and 50 h.p., respectivly, at the flywheel.
I don't have any information on the 192, 240 or 242, unless the 242 (diesel) was a 6-cylinder, like was used in the 6000 tractor. Then it would be 67 h.p. at the pto or roughly 80 at the flywheel. The 240 may be a version of the engine used in the Super Major, but I can't find my book with info on that right now. IIRC, it would be near 50 pto h.p., so maybe 60+ flywheel h.p.
If the 220 was the same as used in the Fordson Major, it was 38 at the pto, so roughly 50 at the flywheel.

 

[TRTermite]

The higher h.p. rating is likely from being rated at the flywheel as a power unit for something like a skidder, while tractors most commonly use PTO h.p.
I think the 134 was rated at 40 h.p. at the flywheel... it was 31-32 at the pto (depending on which carb). The diesel version was actually 144 c.i., and was also 32 h.p. at the pto.
172's were 46 (gas, Nebraska test #701) and 41 (diesel, Nebraska test #705) at the pto. That should put them about 55 and 50 h.p., respectivly, at the flywheel.
I don't have any information on the 192, 240 or 242, unless the 242 (diesel) was a 6-cylinder, like was used in the 6000 tractor. Then it would be 67 h.p. at the pto or roughly 80 at the flywheel. The 240 may be a version of the engine used in the Super Major, but I can't find my book with info on that right now. IIRC, it would be near 50 pto h.p., so maybe 60+ flywheel h.p.
If the 220 was the same as used in the Fordson Major, it was 38 at the pto, so roughly 50 at the flywheel.

Old thread BUT was the bore or stroke changed in the 172 vs. 192? I assume stroke. I am looking at using a Ford from a water pump to drive a sawmill edger to rework boards in a different building. Mostly curiosity not a critical detail Thanks.

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

Industrial engines used in tractors were often governed to lower RPM. Running them higher would increase the horsepower.

 

[Sean in PA]

Old thread BUT was the bore or stroke changed in the 172 vs. 192? I assume stroke. I am looking at using a Ford from a water pump to drive a sawmill edger to rework boards in a different building. Mostly curiosity not a critical detail Thanks.

I am pretty sure that all of the red tiger engines had the same 3.6" stroke, and only the bore changed for the varying displacement.

 

[TRTermite]

I am pretty sure that all of the red tiger engines had the same 3.6" stroke, and only the bore changed for the varying displacement.

I had a 50/50 Chance Of getting it right. But I was thinking wrong Thanks for the reply. I don't remember them as "red tiger"
THANKS for the reply.

 

[TRTermite]

Industrial engines used in tractors were often governed to lower RPM. Running them higher would increase the horsepower.

I also noted the differences in HP ratings with Natural Gas/Propane/Diesel/ And Pump Gas. for the same displacement engine..
Thanks

 

[Sean in PA]

I had a 50/50 Chance Of getting it right. But I was thinking wrong Thanks for the reply. I don't remember them as "red tiger"
THANKS for the reply.

The 134 ci overhead valve 4 cylinder gasoline engine was first introduced on the 1953 NAA/Golden Jubilee model, and Ford called it the Red Tiger engine. They later made 144 ci diesel, 172 ci gas and diesel and 192 ci gas and diesel engine variants all based on the same design.

 

[Texasmark]

Industrial engines used in tractors were often governed to lower RPM. Running them higher would increase the horsepower.

Makes sense since HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252. As long as the RPM increase was larger than any falling of the torque curve at the higher RPMs. Must have been a pretty flat torque curve on these engines and I have predominately had Fords over the years and I don't recall having one that couldn't handle the implement and even my little 2000 diesel could run a 6' shredder (6' to cover the tire width) in heavy vegetation.