Ford Jubilee with 192 engine.

[Hdonly]

My Ford Jubilee with a 192 engine in it just had the starter lock up the engine. I felt like the starter was going bad by the noises it was beginning to make. I rebuilt the starter once several years ago when the same thing happened. I just found a pre-engaged starter that I am going to try instead of the old style crash starter. Has anyone tried this conversion before?

 

[Hdonly]

Same engine design as 134/172. Still, no one has tried these pre engaged starters on any of these engines?

 

[Jim L WA]

No one's come forward so far. But can you explain pre-engaged? That G.M. starter drives the pinion toward the rear when the solenoid is energized.

 

[JMOR]

No one's come forward so far. But can you explain pre-engaged? That G.M. starter drives the pinion toward the rear when the solenoid is energized.

The factory starter drives the pinion toward the rear side of ring gear, actually pushing ring gear harder against the flywheel flange it rides against, whereas the pinion on the other starter drive tries to push the ring gear away from flywheel flange. Maybe no problem, but ??????????????????

 

[Hdonly]

Why I'm asking questions. I own an MGB car and there has been discussion about MGs. The early cars had crash starters just like the NAA. Many change to the pre engage starer in the early cars with good long term success. I want to try this starter on my Jubilee.Pre engaged means the drive gear engages the flywheel teeth before the starter motor actually starts turning.

 

[Tom in Mo.]

Looks like a great idea. Let us know how it works out long term.

 

[Dean]

Same engine design as 134/172. Still, no one has tried these pre engaged starters on any of these engines?View attachment 89046View attachment 89045

Neither of the starters in your photo are engaged to the flywheel at all times, which, of course, would be a very bad idea due to lack of lubrication.

Almost certainly, the ring gear on your tractor is worn causing the starter to lock upon engagement. Engines tend to stop in one or two positions, so finding the bad teeth will likely require that you rotate the engine manually while looking at the ring gear.

The solution is a new ring gear (bite the bullet and buy a proper one with beveled teeth from CNH) and a new starter and drive.

For longevity, buy a starter designed for the battery voltage.

 

[Hdonly]

Update on the starter that is advertised to fit a 172 engine. 192 is basically the same engine but the starter does not fit. Back to repairing the old starter. The starter gear was broken into two pieces and had the flywheel jammed up. I was able to get all the broken pieces out.

 

[wore out]

The common terms would be "Inertial engagement" and "positive engagement", NOT sure where the term "pre-engaged" may have come from?

 

[Hdonly]

The common terms would be "Inertial engagement" and "positive engagement", NOT sure where the term "pre-engaged" may have come from?

You can use whatever terminology you like. I like pre-engaged and crash starter. That is how I have described them for 50 years.

 

[Hdonly]

Looks like it is going to be a battle to return the new starter that doesn't fit. They will take it back but they want to me to pay the almost $60 shipping to return a starter that doesn't fit the engine as advertised. I told them that ain't happening. Waiting to hear back.

 

[Keith Williams]

Looks like it is going to be a battle to return the new starter that doesn't fit. They will take it back but they want to me to pay the almost $60 shipping to return a starter that doesn't fit the engine as advertised. I told them that ain't happening. Waiting to hear back.

I had concerns from the beginning that the 192 engine they were referring to is the 3 cylinder 192 NOT the 4 cylinder one.
If their add states 4 cylinder 192 then they need to pay shipping and fix their add.
Keith

 

[Hdonly]

The add states 172. No mention of the number of cylinders.134, 172, 192 all use the same starter. If they meant 3 cylinder I think the ad should be more clear,

 

[Sean in PA]

What about the starter that you bought "does not fit"? Is it completely incorrect in terms of the mounting bolts and/or other things, or is it imply too long such that it won't fit because of interference with some other part?

 

[Hdonly]

Can't tell if the mounting holes line up properly because the nose hits on the flywheel. The starter won't insert all the way and the nose won't let you turn it far enough to line up any holes.

 

[Keith Williams]

What about the starter that you bought "does not fit"? Is it completely incorrect in terms of the mounting bolts and/or other things, or is it imply too long such that it won't fit because of interference with some other part?

Sean,
Thinking about this and taking an additional look at the starters, there is no way that starter will fit the 4 cylinder models.
The starter on a 4 cylinder is on the left. The starter on a 3 cylinder is on the right.
As he found out, the nose is in the way because it is for the other side of the engine.

 

[Hdonly]

Sean,
Thinking about this and taking an additional look at the starters, there is no way that starter will fit the 4 cylinder models.
The starter on a 4 cylinder is on the left. The starter on a 3 cylinder is on the right.
As he found out, the nose is in the way because it is for the other side of the engine.

What? I don't see any picture of what you are looking at. Did they make a three cylinder 172? Did you forget to post the picture you are talking about?

 

[Keith Williams]

What? I don't see any picture of what you are looking at. Did they make a three cylinder 172? Did you forget to post the picture you are talking about?

Look at the title of this post. You went back and edited some of your replies to 172. You originally said 192 and yes there is a 3 CYLINDER 192.

 

[Hdonly]

I had concerns from the beginning that the 192 engine they were referring to is the 3 cylinder 192 NOT the 4 cylinder one.
If their add states 4 cylinder 192 then they need to pay shipping and fix their add.
Keith

I never said the ad referred to a 192 engine. I said the ad referenced a 172 engine. Don't think Ford ever made a 172 three cylinder.

 

[Hdonly]

Look at the title of this post. You went back and edited some of your replies to 172. You originally said 192 and yes there is a 3 CYLINDER 192.

You are not comprehending my posts. I never said the ad about the starter referred to a 192 engine. I said I had a 192 in my tractor. The ad on the starter said it would fit a 172. I don't think Ford ever made a 172 three cylinder. The 192 engine I have uses the same starter as the 134, 172, 192 four cylinder gas engine. I know that Ford made a 192 three cylinder. You should read more carefully.