Forum Question

[used red MN]

I like whatever they did for another reason… now the apostrophes show up automatically ; no more phony calisthenics whenever it is desired to separate a word or quote someone.
I also never understood the reasoning for running modern and classic views… just seemed more work than it was worth to me.

Fritz, what do you view the forum on? I have an iPhone and the punctuation was screwed up by their fix. I believe the same applied to Apple Safari browsers. It was dumping weird character into Classic where punctuation was placed due to misunderstood syntax. I understand why they had to make a fix to a degree and your second comment is why. I think things were flying a little higher then and peeing off those that were threatening to leave lead to surrendering to the few. Then support spent 10 years or whatever of their lives writing code to make the out of date Classic View work with Modern, although in recent conversation with them they have no regrets. Whether the decision was better to bite the bullet and make the change now or then who knows.
I certainly do like having proper punctuation available no more of ..this.. for quotes, I can use contractions like “can’t and won’t” and possessive indicators are functional. I am happy as a clam, no “axle wrapping” here!

 

[Fritz Maurer]

Fritz, what do you view the forum on? I have an iPhone and the punctuation was screwed up by their fix. I believe the same applied to Apple Safari browsers. It was dumping weird character into Classic where punctuation was placed due to misunderstood syntax. I understand why they had to make a fix to a degree and your second comment is why. I think things were flying a little higher then and peeing off those that were threatening to leave lead to surrendering to the few. Then support spent 10 years or whatever of their lives writing code to make the out of date Classic View work with Modern, although in recent conversation with them they have no regrets. Whether the decision was better to bite the bullet and make the change now or then who knows.
I certainly do like having proper punctuation available no more of ..this.. for quotes, I can use contractions like “can’t and won’t” and possessive indicators are functional. I am happy as a clam, no “axle wrapping” here!

All I can tell you is I’m on an I-phone and my search thing is safari. I don’t even know what model this phone is .. maybe a 14, I don’t know…. Not my phone but a friend’s who could add a line for 35$ and I just go pay him every month. He was insistent that I get internet due to the nature of our work and doing much arm twisting to get me into the 21st century… I am computer illiterate, I am a little perplexed over all this hand-wringing… or should I say axle -wrapping… over what is wrong with these changes. I just figured out how to make the bold face type go away; someone mentioned not hitting the ‘back’ arrow, which I always do. So I found another way out of the topic and VOILA ! No more bold print! I’m figuring out new things all the time… I don’t see what the problem is.
What makes a clam happy, by the way? How can you tell?

 

[used red MN]

All I can tell you is I’m on an I-phone and my search thing is safari. I don’t even know what model this phone is .. maybe a 14, I don’t know…. Not my phone but a friend’s who could add a line for 35$ and I just go pay him every month. He was insistent that I get internet due to the nature of our work and doing much arm twisting to get me into the 21st century… I am computer illiterate, I am a little perplexed over all this hand-wringing… or should I say axle -wrapping… over what is wrong with these changes. I just figured out how to make the bold face type go away; someone mentioned not hitting the ‘back’ arrow, which I always do. So I found another way out of the topic and VOILA ! No more bold print! I’m figuring out new things all the time… I don’t see what the problem is.
What makes a clam happy, by the way? How can you tell?

The “B” at the upper left of the reply text box triggers the bold print, the next to the right is an italicized “I” that turns on Italics clicking them again turns them off. The two different sized “tT” next to that is font size. You have to hold your phone sideways to see it. It does not work well on a phone. I tried to use it and if you are viewing quotes you will maybe see I accidentally adjusted the font size in your quote. The last tip I will give you is the 3 dots that show up at the bottom of a post or reply you have made is where the “Edit” feature is found. It is timed I think it currently allows an hour before it can no longer be accessed. I personally feel you should be able to edit a post for at least several months, but I don’t make that call.

 

[cpratt]

People mentioned the character issue on classic. It could not store the normal special characters that are used on modern phones, and browsers configured to use them. Modern view didn't cause the issue, though it did feed those characters to classic which the destroyed them. Classic was a text based system and had lots of places that would change these multicharacter characters (it takes more than one position in the text file to store modern quotes, apostrophes and other characters). It would convert these characters into gibberish (different gibberish in different parts of the system). Old modern view could have handled it, but classic was made before these characters had been invented. I was never successful in getting it to work with them, or even converting them into something else that would work (which I did try for a long time).

@Crazy Horse You hit the nail on the head with the comment about the temperature being something real to complain about. I wasn't on here all day because I was thawing out our well house from a new record low for this area (in my lifetime anyway, I remember 10 or 12F as a kid once). 7 degrees Fahrenheit (-13.8C), which is nothing compared to what you guys are dealing with in the midwest and east coast, and glad I'm not, every pipe on the my farm would burst with the temps you all have. Just got the water back flowing, cleaned out the system from all the rust back feeding from the waterer lines, and you won't hear a complaint out of me for well... at least a few days.

@Fritz Maurer The back arrow is okay to use as long as you're going backward to a page that doesn't need updated info from the server. If you are going back to the Forum/Thread List, you probably want a fresh page because that's when it shows what you've read and what you haven't, that info has to come from the server. If you hit back arrow in that case, just touch the refresh on the safari URL line and it will show what's been read and what hasn't. I use Safari too most of the time so I know that works fine. What's happening is, all browsers keep a cache history of pages you've visited. When you use the back arrow, it just shows you how the page used to be, for example, how it was before you read the thread you just read, so it doesn't show that you've read it. I use the back arrow constantly, but if I do when I need newer information than what is in history, I refresh the page to get the new info.

@used red MN I had not mentioned to anyone on here the three dots you mentioned. It's important since that is how menus and features get compressed to save screen space on a small screen. It's common on web pages now signifying "there's more we don't have space to display". I don't think about it because I only use a large screen. Thanks for bringing it up, I should have the first day, since people wouldn't know that is what it meant if they don't use a lot of internet pages.

 

[used red MN]

People mentioned the character issue on classic. It could not store the normal special characters that are used on modern phones, and browsers configured to use them. Modern view didn't cause the issue, though it did feed those characters to classic which the destroyed them. Classic was a text based system and had lots of places that would change these multicharacter characters (it takes more than one position in the text file to store modern quotes, apostrophes and other characters). It would convert these characters into gibberish (different gibberish in different parts of the system). Old modern view could have handled it, but classic was made before these characters had been invented. I was never successful in getting it to work with them, or even converting them into something else that would work (which I did try for a long time).

@Crazy Horse You hit the nail on the head with the comment about the temperature being something real to complain about. I wasn't on here all day because I was thawing out our well house from a new record low for this area (in my lifetime anyway, I remember 10 or 12F as a kid once). 7 degrees Fahrenheit (-13.8C), which is nothing compared to what you guys are dealing with in the midwest and east coast, and glad I'm not, every pipe on the my farm would burst with the temps you all have. Just got the water back flowing, cleaned out the system from all the rust back feeding from the waterer lines, and you won't hear a complaint out of me for well... at least a few days.

@Fritz Maurer The back arrow is okay to use as long as you're going backward to a page that doesn't need updated info from the server. If you are going back to the Forum/Thread List, you probably want a fresh page because that's when it shows what you've read and what you haven't, that info has to come from the server. If you hit back arrow in that case, just touch the refresh on the safari URL line and it will show what's been read and what hasn't. I use Safari too most of the time so I know that works fine. What's happening is, all browsers keep a cache history of pages you've visited. When you use the back arrow, it just shows you how the page used to be, for example, how it was before you read the thread you just read, so it doesn't show that you've read it. I use the back arrow constantly, but if I do when I need newer information than what is in history, I refresh the page to get the new info.

@used red MN I had not mentioned to anyone on here the three dots you mentioned. It's important since that is how menus and features get compressed to save screen space on a small screen. It's common on web pages now signifying "there's more we don't have space to display". I don't think about it because I only use a large screen. Thanks for bringing it up, I should have the first day, since people wouldn't know that is what it meant if they don't use a lot of internet pages.

Chris, I am not sure if you saw the reply I made in one of these new format posts about saying support dropped the ball to a degree by not having a “how to use” tutorial set up for the first day you switched over. Jeff M did reply to it. I also realize the different layout for phones makes that more complicated. The thing about it is that many older folks with minimal computer skills will not poke around on items that they do not know what they are because they think it may screw something up. People who work with computers daily and young folks are not timid about this. Food for thought.

 

[cpratt]

Chris, I am not sure if you saw the reply I made in one of these new format posts about saying support dropped the ball to a degree by not having a “how to use” tutorial set up for the first day you switched over. Jeff M did reply to it. I also realize the different layout for phones makes that more complicated. The thing about it is that many older folks with minimal computer skills will not poke around on items that they do not know what they are because they think it may screw something up. People who work with computers daily and young folks are not timid about this. Food for thought.

That's a point well taken. Now that things have slowed a bit, we should be able start populating the Help/FAQ that Jeremy pointed out in the stickies up at the top. It's still fairly generic for the software rather than specific to the community and the xenForo developers didn't cover generalized internet practices now. This coming week, I'll try to add one tip per day. The reason that we didn't provide more specific information prior to the cutover was partially an oversight, but also lack of familiarity (at least on my part). Even testing extensively, didn't give the same experience as actually using it to communicate.