Garden Plot

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Need you farmers advice on my garden spot. First thing this is wore out west Tennessee dirt farmed to death and left for dead. I've been cutting it for 15 years and plan on moving out there soon and plan on growing enough to sell. I can get cotton hulls pretty cheap and I've been told thats good to spread out.I also have a lot of leaves in my woods I can spread out and then turn everything under with my tractor and roto tiller. What would you farmers do if it was yours? Lime, fertilizer? What would be the best? Thanks.
 
As was said,soil test.There is nothing like good manure.Compost is also good.You have plenty,anything you plow under will be beneficial.But you will hav plenty of 'humus/organic matter from the grass roots.That will take added nitrogen to fully break that down.I would also moldboard plow to bury 'trash'.Then you can rototill the plowed ground
 
Why have you waited so long. you said you had it for 15 years. If you had planted something, grass, or any seed but weeds, Buy a large truck load of dirt and let him (dump,spread ) it over a small area, then mix or spred and mix it in . Then
experimental plant some sample garden items. Or go to your local farm bureau office and find out where you can have the soil tested. How do you know its (dead) soil?. Many other things that can be done, that I have not mentioned. In a way I feel very sorry for you, but at least you did ask for help.
 
good old cow $---- or horse $---- will improve the soil to a point.

When you get too much $---- in the soil it gets as slick as $---- and the tractor gets stuck

Then your up $---- creek

enough $----- for the day
 
Better late than never.

A soil ph test is very cheap. Ground should be close to 6.5 ph for most general crops. Where I live we are 6.2 to over 8, which is too high mostly, but hard to fix.

With low ph as you might probably have, easy to spread some lime and make it right. The lime takes a 1/2 year to start working, and lasts 5-6 years maybe, then you add a little more.

If your soil is too low in ph, it is very acid, and the acids in the soil will cling onto your plant nutrients. No matter how hard your plant roots try, and no matter how much is in the soil, the plant just won't get enough nutrients away from the acid in the soil.

So, ph is very important to test for that. You don't want it too low, you don't want it too high, so you shouldn't just add some for good luck - you should know where the ph is and how much correcting you need to do. Not a good place to guess.

For soil building, the stuff you mention will help with organic matter and adding some nutrients, but... They are better composted in a pile with some manure for a year. That makes a much better mix to spread on the field.

If you spread on the stuff you mention and work it in, it will want to use a whole lot of nitrogen as it breaks down and turns into good stuff in your soil. So you might think you are doing your soil a favor, but you might make it very very poor ground for a couple of years, starving for nitrogen. And your crops won't have any N to grow with, even if you add a little N - the stuff breaking down in your soil will take it all leaving none for the plants.

A compost pile of that stuff with manure will have N from the manure, and as it breaks down many of the weed seeds in both materials will also break down. A win win situation.

As long as you are getting a ph test, you might as well get a soil test, won't cost much more, maybe $25 or so, if not even free from some local extension offices. Then you can concentrate on adding the right types of fertilizer.

Manure is a really really good one. Any type.

But what the manure has never exactly matches what your soil needs in N, P, K.

So of you don't mind, a good commercial fertilizer added can really bring your soil up to healthy in a hurry, on top of all the good lime, manure, and composting you do first. Otherwise, there are organic ways to get your soil built up to a healthy balance, but they cost more and take longer.

Planting legumes (beans, clover, alfalfa...) will add N if you let them grow a full season - if they are inoculated. Those are little bugs on the roots of those type plants that pull N out of the ground/air and fix it in bumps on the roots, adding 40-100 lbs of extra N to your soils. But to get these crops to grow, you need the ph and the P and K levels right to start with....

Rye and buckwheat are also interesting cover crops you can plant, let grow a season, and they will build the soil some for you. Again it depends on what you start with, they can't create new fertilizer in the ground, but they can move it around and add organic matter and be very helpful in creating a better field.

This is a topic that could fill an encyclopedia and not cover it all, there are so many directions to go....

Get your ph right. That is the first priority, and takes time to work. Nothing else you do will work right if you don't make your ph right......

A soil test will help you know how low your ground is in this and that (mostly your organic matter, your N, your P, and your K are the good numbers to know....), and from there you can add compost, raw manure, cover crops, and commercial fertilizers to create a healthy, living field. It might take a few years, would have been nice to start 15 years ago, but this spring is a good start too and have fun with it. ;)

Paul
 
I live just east of Jackson and I have been gardening on this property for 34 years. You will need to get a soil test since this land is usually highly deficient in lime. You can get soil boxes and instructions at the ag. extension office and after you collect the soil you will mail it to Nashville for a complete analysis. I think the cost is $10.00 which is well worth the amount. Over the years I have done the following to build up the soil:
1. added rotten saw dust-- Do not use green
2. cotton seed hulls--will introduce some weed seed
3. composted horse manure--will introduce weed seed
4. cover crop--red clover, annual rye or buck wheat
5. Followed U.T. fertilizer recommendations especially lime
6. crop rotation
 
Manure of all types,high Cal/high mag lime,Planters II and foliar feed with Neptune Harvest
Fish/kelp blend
And grow cowpeas(blackeye peas) for a cover crop all Summer and Crimson Clover/Hairy Vetch in the Winter.
Don't even bother with the free or State done soil tests they're useless get one from Kinsey Ag Services.
 
If that dead the only way to bring it back to life is a good bit of manure. I spread manure on my garden every fall and spring plus fill my raised beds with composted horse manure and have very good luck doing it that way
 
Soil Test! Pay the extra few bucks to check for micro nutrients.

Incorporate organic matter. As others stated, gin trash contains a good number of weed seeds. It is good organic matter that is has some nutrients. Non decomposed organic matter will need nitrogen to decompose.

The key to building organic matter and keeping organic matter is to not take away plant residue and do not till the ground. Tilling the ground releases the carbon that the organic matter has built in the soil as well as compacting the soil.
 
This is the way I see it. You have two options
1. Get a soil test and see where you are at. You can then make the adjustments necessary for the crops you intend to grow.

or

2. Till the ground, throw some seed at it, and see what happens.

I would go for option 1, just saying.
 
Just to be clear, actual well composted, properly composted that is, manure of any kind will not have many viable weed seeds in it. Theres a big difference between someones old manure pile form cleaning the barn and composted manure. One looks like old manure, the other like rich black dirt.
 
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