GLEANER E NEEDS A LITTLE

[johnnyo888]

I have had a Gleaner E in my 48 WD for the past two seasons. The motor was rebuilt about 2 years before I got it and runs great (PTO Dyno at about 50 Horse right on). I would love to get some more HP out of it without having to rebuild it. I know this question has been beat around on this forum but the answers seem to be all over the map. Please help if you can.

 

[Anonymous-0]

richen the carb up untill it blows fuel out of the stack then go a step colder on the plugs . drain the gas out of the fuel tank and add 4 ounces of nitropropane to every gallon of gas you put in it . if you want to have to rebuild it sooner add more than four ounces .

 

[johnnyo888]

What about cams? Is the 170 or 175 Cam going to give it a lot more lug (worth the money?)

 

[Anonymous-0]

well you said you didnt want to rebuild it but they are only three differences in a 175 226 engine than the first 226 wd 45 engine and here they go. 1 compression ratio 2 camlift and lsa 3 governor spring load idle was higher on the 175 high idle can be achieved with 3 springs e gleanor d17 170 . you can gain up to 7 horses by removing the hydraulic pump. but the nitropropane usually adds 10 to twenty

 

[johnnyo888]

You are right I don"t want to rebuild it just seems like such a waste. I was just curious about the cam. Also any idea what horsepower would result from rebuilding with the 4.125 overbore flat top pistons? Trying to weigh my options.

 

[BushogPapa]

Depends on how "Competitive" you intend to be...

If you are going to "get serious", you need a lot longer stroke AND a larger Bore...

Otherwise, just "have FUN"...!!

Ron..

 

[Anonymous-0]

well i have literature from m and w . it shows with a slight increase in compression and the 1/8 overbore 8 hp over stock . I personally think the slight compression increase is do to the overbore but i could be wrong.

 

[LP-Always]

please tell what nitropropane is. thanks

 

[johnnyo888]

As I am sure you can tell I am sitting on the fence as to how competitive I want to get right away. I have been pulling with my current set-up for a couple of years and the tractor does fairly well (consistent top 5 puller). Starting to think that when the time comes to rebuild this motor it would be worthwhile to go for the longer stroke and bigger bore. Who is the guy to talk to about getting the machining done? Also is there any driveline concerns when you reach a certain point.

 

[Anonymous-0]

well i guess youve googled it by now its a chemical that will mix with gas that brings its own oxygen to the mix makes about a 70% inrease were nitromethane makes a 100% increase when mixed with methanol.

 

[Anonymous-0]

yes the hand clutch has to go and the engine clutch needs beefed up as well for 80 plus donkeys.

 

[730lp]

Kenny, don"t even think about it. This would move you to outlaw classes.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 12:17:37 08/13/09) Kenny, don"t even think about it. This would move you to outlaw classes.

THEY eould have to have a meter to check the specific gravity of everyones fuel before they could make him move up in class. I have not seen anyones rules that ban it . I know it gets used in alot of tractors .

 

[730lp]

ML, Yea, I was speakin' in jest. I've never seen s.g. checked @ any pull.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 17:54:50 08/13/09) ML, Yea, I was speakin' in jest. I've never seen s.g. checked @ any pull.

OK I mention it in jest a fellow wanting magic horsepower without going into a engine. I will have to say it works though and everyone looks for a advantage but at 40 bucks a gallon tends to keep some away from it and fear of exploding a motor like a topfueler .

 

[Anonymous-0]

lp always if you run lp you want to run hotlp . has nitrous oxide mixed in the tank with lp.

 

[730lp]

ml, OK, You've got my attention. Heard a little about hot lp, but so far have stayed away from it. What's your learned take on it? Talkin' 'bout 4 & 6 cyl high compression bullets.

 

[james rumph]

I to would like to know what "Nitro propane " is to.

I tried a gallon of this stuff years back and mixed it with 99.5 methanol up to 15% and didn't see any gain.

No B.S i used the remains of it threw my lawn mower with no ill effects other then the fumes were a bit strong. I remember the neighbor commenting on the smell.



I believe the brand was Torco. I think i paid $30.00 for a gallon of it 10 years ago.

We have in the past mixed 1 gallon methanol to 4 gallons race fuel to bring the octain up higher. Grant you this was along time ago when we were worried about fuel for the day.

If you read the back of the cans octain boost is a form of methanol but with a fancy word.

Don't quote me on the gas / methanol mix it's been awhile , but i'm real sure that was the ratio.

With this strange coctail we put a little more timing in the motot and a little more main jet .

 

[vern-45]

does a stock gleaner e engine only have 50hp?i thought they had at least 60.also,go with the 9 spring pressure plate,i believe the wd45 used them.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 06:26:12 08/14/09)
I to would like to know what "Nitro propane " is to.

I tried a gallon of this stuff years back and mixed it with 99.5 methanol up to 15% and didn't see any gain.

No B.S i used the remains of it threw my lawn mower with no ill effects other then the fumes were a bit strong. I remember the neighbor commenting on the smell.



I believe the brand was Torco. I think i paid $30.00 for a gallon of it 10 years ago.

We have in the past mixed 1 gallon methanol to 4 gallons race fuel to bring the octain up higher. Grant you this was along time ago when we were worried about fuel for the day.

If you read the back of the cans octain boost is a form of methanol but with a fancy word.

Don't quote me on the gas / methanol mix it's been awhile , but i'm real sure that was the ratio.

With this strange coctail we put a little more timing in the motot and a little more main jet .

Well I have had success with it mark martin the dirt track racer had success with it .you have to richin things up before you see results with it . I have tried mixing methanol with gas also i had zereo results it will not stay mixed for longer than a hour or two. tulene will up the octane in gas and stay mixed it works well with nitropropane also . nitropropane usualy needs less timing just like nitrous . where as nitromethane needs more timing.

 

[Anonymous-0]

yes they are rated at 60 but not at wd pto speeds . plus the hydraulic pump pulls some ponies if it is in place.