H john deere weight

[Anonymous-0]

About how much does an H john deere weigh with electric start and steel front wheels not cast ? THANKS Mike

 

[David in TN]

about 3000 lbs

 

[P Browning]

I think the 3000 pound value is a little high. I would extimate its weight closer to something under 2400 pounds. The 39-H weighed in just under 2100 -- one reliable source says 2063 pounds. Now if you loaded the beast up with weights and/or fluid in the tires, yes -- you can approach the 3000 pound mark. My best to you! (PatB)
Restoration Site, JD-H

 

[Lanse]

Looky here, 3035lbs.
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[P Browning]

Hi Lanse -- Yes, I have seen those before. One of these days, I will have mine weighed. It is pretty much stock as released from the factory. The rear tires are a bit on the worn side; I have a new pair to put on, but other priorities have taken their toll on that job!

I see where external_link also quotes Nebraska Test # 312 with values of 12.48 drwbar HP and 14.84 Belt HP. All the base literature I've reviewed quote test # 312 @ 9.68 D-bar and 12.97 Belt HP which, if you've ever farmed with an "H", is probably more realistic.

Bottom line -- I would consider external_link a bit on the scewed side. (PatB)

 

[Duane Larson]

Mike,
From a 1945 Deere Price List from the Omaha Branch House the following weights are given:
Base tractor with pressed steel fronts and 9-32 rear tires 2141 lbs
add starting and lighting 78
add manually controlled shutter 6
add power shaft (PTO) 37
add power lift 62
add duplex control for power lift 28

Since Deere didn't provide batteries - that was done at the dealer - you'll have to add the weight of a battery. So, you can pick and choose among the options on your tractor to arrive at the weight from the factory.

 

[dan_41jdh]

Mike, Duane has posted the best information available regarding the "official" weight of your H.

Quite a few sources show the weight of the H to be "3035 lb", but that is considerably above the actual weight, as evidenced by factory and Branch Office publications.

The 3035 lb weight can be traced back to the 1938 Nebraska Tractor Test of the H, which states "Total Weight as tested (with operator) 3035 pounds". Obviously, the as-tested weight included the operator and extra ballast such as wheel weights and/or tire fluid, and IS NOT the basic weight of the bare tractor.

However, I don"t know if the factory/branch office data included weights of fluids. The tractors were shipped with engine oil and transmission lubricant, and there probably was a very minimal amount of fuel, but what about coolant? Antifreeze was not used by Deere in those days, so it seems logical to assume the water was drained after final testing, with the tractors shipped without coolant. Thus, there would be at least 40+ lb of water that may or may not be included in the factory values.

Anyone have a response to this?

Incidentally, Pat addressed a horsepower discrepancy found on the external_link website.

For those interested, here are the answers to those discrepancies:

The Nebraska Test #312 for the H shows maximum observed HP values of 12.48 HP (Drawbar), and 14.84 HP (Belt). Those values are those that were actually observed during the testing.

Then, those values were mathmatically corrected to engineering-accepted sea level standards (60 degrees Farenheit, 29.92" mercury barometric pressure) which resulted in corrected values of 12.90 HP (Drawbar) and 15.26 HP (Belt). Then, as a final calculation, and in accordance with standards at that time, "rated horsepower" was determined by taking a percentage of the maximum corrected horsepowers (75% of drawbar HP, and 85% of belt HP) to arrive at final "rated horsepower" of 9.68 (Drawbar) and 12.97 (Belt).

So much of the data that is being circulated on the internet, as well as being printed in respected publications, don't reference the sources, or qualify the circumstances or conditions from which the data was originally taken. Accordingly, if you see some data being offered, and there is no source being referenced, be careful. The data might not be wrong, but it may have been taken out of context, and therefore might be quite misleading if taken literally.

 

[Duane Larson]

Hi Dan,
My guess is that the weights published in the Price Lists have to do with estimating shipping/freight costs. So, the engine oil and transmission lubricant are likely included, but not water (drained for cold weather) or gasoline (too easy for the RR bums to drain and use).

I completely agree with the necessity of providing references to the sources of information provided in answers (as appropriate). Often, as in the case of HP, there are several correct answers.

 

[dan_41jdh]

Thanks for the response, Duane. I suspect that your assumptions are correct, but it would be interesting to see some confirming documentation someday regarding just what those published weights really reflected.

Anyway, I guess one shouldn"t be too concerned about the "exact weight" because it"s there were probably no two H"s that weighed exactly the same anyway, due to variations in material thicknesses, etc., not to mention tire variations and other variables.

As an interesting story to emphasize how much actual weights of manufactured items can vary, there was an article in the Wichita edition of the "Boeing News" (corporate newsletter for employees) some 16-17 years ago that described a new program that encouraged employees to control the final weight of commercial 747 aircraft. (The empty weight of a 747-400 is almost 400,000 pounds!!) The article described an analysis that showed employees could control many TONS of weight of the finished aircraft by simply ensuring that each of the millions (yes, millions!)of parts in each 747 were on the minimum end of the tolerance spectrum. For example, the analysis showed that if all the rivets were made toward the shorter end of the acceptable tolerance (instead of being long, but still acceptable), a tremendous amount of weight could be saved. Same thing with staying on the thinner side of the allowables for material thicknesses. And, they showed how slobbering on excessive amounts of adhesives also added remarkable amounts of excessive weight to the finished aircraft.

Why was all that a big deal? According to the article, final delivery weights were critically important to the customers (United, Northwest, etc.) Apparently, maximum delivery weights are negotiated at the time of sale. If an aircraft is delivered and exceeds the negotiated weight, Boeing gets socked with a penalty because that aircraft will be forever doomed to carry around that excess weight which translates into significant extra operating costs (fuel) for the life of the aircraft.

Anyway, that was an interesting example of how finished weight of manufactured products can vary, and sometimes can vary a surprising amount.

So, without actually weighing one"s tractor on a certified scale, and allowing for fuel and other variables, one really doesn"t know how much the tractor actually weighs. Published values don"t always show the entire spectrum.

 

[Green Relics]

Hi Mike W j, H tractors that I see at the local tractor pulls are all just under 2500 lbs. Thats right on the scale.