Help to identify Ford Tractor

[Bradleywalker]

Gday Everyone,

I need some help with our family tractor, it’s been in the family since the late 70s.

I will attach pics I have the I&T manual and looked for the serial numbers but the main thing I noticed is that the serial number is a strange font and doesn’t seem to have the machined surface like the pics I’ve seen.

I really appreciate any help

Cheers Bradley

 

[paul]

By the way he is in Australia, as he mentioned in the main tractor forum. If that affects how things were numbered.

Paul

 

[Fordfarmer]

Gday Everyone,

I need some help with our family tractor, it’s been in the family since the late 70s.

I will attach pics I have the I&T manual and looked for the serial numbers but the main thing I noticed is that the serial number is a strange font and doesn’t seem to have the machined surface like the pics I’ve seen.

I really appreciate any help

Cheers BradleyView attachment 138745View attachment 138746View attachment 138747View attachment 138748View attachment 138749

'65 to early '68 5000, although the block and power steering pump are newer.

 

[Bradleywalker]

'65 to early '68 5000, although the block and power steering pump are newer.

Legend,

Looking at the tractor I figured it’s a bit of a Frankenstein tractor parts are all over the place.

The reason I did some looking is the hydraulic control valve under the seat blew so now the front rams don't work and I will replace it more than likely with a retrofit valve from the Netherlands

 

[Bradleywalker]

'65 to early '68 5000, although the block and power steering pump are newer.

Any specifics mate on real age and where it was made?

 

[Fordfarmer]

'65 to early '68 5000, although the block and power steering pump are newer.

Unit number appears to be 5E23C. That would be May 23, 1965, 3rd shift for final assembly. The other numbers don't match up with how U.S. models were stamped. Seems that was often the case when comparing s/n stamps between the 3 factories early in the World Wide series.
The serial number should begin with an A, B, or C, depending on which plant built it. A for Antwerp, B for Basildon, and C for U.S. built. You may have to check the opposite side of the bellhousing.

 

[Bradleywalker]

Unit number appears to be 5E23C. That would be May 23, 1965, 3rd shift for final assembly. The other numbers don't match up with how U.S. models were stamped. Seems that was often the case when comparing s/n stamps between the 3 factories early in the World Wide series.
The serial number should begin with an A, B, or C, depending on which plant built it. A for Antwerp, B for Basildon, and C for U.S. built. You may have to check the opposite side of the bellhousing.

Thanks for the life of me couldn’t find a serial number starting with a letter just that strange one, also so it’s got a newer engine block? But it’s the 233 cui?

 

[Bradleywalker]

Last thing, the tractor has the single spool detent valve for the rams.

Has anyone here replaced it with an aftermarket valve?

 

[Fordfarmer]

Legend,

Looking at the tractor I figured it’s a bit of a Frankenstein tractor parts are all over the place.

The reason I did some looking is the hydraulic control valve under the seat blew so now the front rams don't work and I will replace it more than likely with a retrofit valve from the Netherlands

Hydraulic valves changed a little over the years, but the mounting stayed the same.... If a valve will fit an early production 5000, it will also fit a late production 5000. Just make sure to replace ALL the o-rings under the valve.

 

[Bradleywalker]

Hydraulic valves changed a little over the years, but the mounting stayed the same.... If a valve will fit an early production 5000, it will also fit a late production 5000. Just make sure to replace ALL the o-rings under the valve.

That’s listed and looks correct

 

[Fordfarmer]

Thanks for the life of me couldn’t find a serial number starting with a letter just that strange one, also so it’s got a newer engine block? But it’s the 233 cui?

The D1NN casting number on the block means that casting was first used in 1971. At that point, Ford wasn't using the 233, so it's likely you have a 256. (4.4" bore, rather than 4.2"). You may be able to find an engine s/n and build date stamps on the right side oil pan rail and right front mounting ear of the block.

 

[Bradleywalker]

The D1NN casting number on the block means that casting was first used in 1971. At that point, Ford wasn't using the 233, so it's likely you have a 256. (4.4" bore, rather than 4.2"). You may be able to find an engine s/n and build date stamps on the right side oil pan rail and right front mounting ear of the block.

I’ll give it a good clean next time I’m on the farm and check for more numbers

 

[Sean in PA]

The D1NN casting number on the block means that casting was first used in 1971. At that point, Ford wasn't using the 233, so it's likely you have a 256. (4.4" bore, rather than 4.2"). You may be able to find an engine s/n and build date stamps on the right side oil pan rail and right front mounting ear of the block.

I see the end of the serial number in the 4th picture, it ends in 496. It should star with an R or an E. If it starts with an R, the engine was made before 4/1/65. If it starts with an E it was made on or after that date. If the engine was built after 4/1/68 it is not original to the tractor, as it has the louvered hood side panels and the wrap around lower grill, which were only used on pre-4/1/68 tractors.

 

[Bradleywalker]

I see the end of the serial number in the 4th picture, it ends in 496. It should star with an R or an E. If it starts with an R, the engine was made before 4/1/65. If it starts with an E it was made on or after that date. If the engine was built after 4/1/68 it is not original to the tractor, as it has the louvered hood side panels and the wrap around lower grill, which were only used on pre-4/1/68 tractors.

It has an E mate

 

[Bradleywalker]

I appreciate everyone’s help so far.

I’m glad a became a member here.

I have a few other questions about levers etc that we have just never used if this is the right forum?

Cheers Bradley

 

[Sean in PA]

So it looks like the engine is a replacement that is newer than most of the rest of the tractor. It is a 4 cylinder engine made for the 5000 series, but the engine was assembled after 4/1/68, and the rest of the tractor was made prior to that date. The E at the beginning of the engine serial number indicates that it is a post 4/1/68 256 ci engine.

I have a few other questions about levers etc that we have just never used if this is the right forum?

Ask away.

 

[Bradleywalker]

So it looks like the engine is a replacement that is newer than most of the rest of the tractor. It is a 4 cylinder engine made for the 5000 series, but the engine was assembled after 4/1/68, and the rest of the tractor was made prior to that date. The E at the beginning of the engine serial number indicates that it is a post 4/1/68 256 ci engine.


Ask away.

Cheers Mate, so is this a British built tractor?

Where is a reputable place to get parts?

 

[Destroked 450]

The tractor does have European fenders and head lights, but the head lights are not center mounted in the grill like most Basildon built models had
The serial number does not match any of the numbering systems used in Basildon, Antwerp or the US
There’s a history of Ford tractors built in South Africa as far back as 1948, and Fordson Dexta production up to 1967. There’s a video of a South African farm having a collection of Ford tractors including a 65 model 5000, but I haven’t found any info as to when 65/up models where first produced there
Ford tractor production in India didn’t start until 1971
Ford tractors where also produced in Mexico and Brazil but to the best of my knowledge not until the 70’s or later

 

[Bradleywalker]

The tractor does have European fenders and head lights, but the head lights are not center mounted in the grill like most Basildon built models had
The serial number does not match any of the numbering systems used in Basildon, Antwerp or the US
There’s a history of Ford tractors built in South Africa as far back as 1948, and Fordson Dexta production up to 1967. There’s a video of a South African farm having a collection of Ford tractors including a 65 model 5000, but I haven’t found any info as to when 65/up models where first produced there
Ford tractor production in India didn’t start until 1971
Ford tractors where also produced in Mexico and Brazil but to the best of my knowledge not until the 70’s or later

Cheers mate this tractor is an odd one I’m not surprised we somehow get these strange machines

 

[Jim.ME]

Many Massey Fergusons, for another brand, seem to develop differences from the UK built ones they thought to be like. And they appear with serial number tags different from the UK and North American tags. I have read info that indicates there were some places in the Australia area that were licensed to build/modify under some manufacturers. Could this be something along those lines. Perhaps if I ad @Charles in Aus. he will see it and have some insight.