Identify tractors

[Werner Lobert]

can anybody tell me what year these tractors are

 

[Tom Railsback]

Probably not without serial numbers.

 

[Jason Kozlowski]

I think most of the steam guys hang out on the forums at www.smokstak.com. You may get a quicker answer there. This forum seems to be primarily tractors. I know there are ways to narrow down the years.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I think the first engine is a 65hp. The other is earlyer because it has a short smoke box, not sure of its hp.