Does anyone out there have the direct phone number for J.D. Archives or a direct e-mail address to someone in that department. Somehow I have lost the info that I once had. I used to talk to a woman named Vicki or Vicky but never knew her last name and don't know if she still works there. Thanks to all who respond.
zeke67
Thanks for the number. I called it and got someone on the phone (man) who I won't name and to put it mildly was a disrespectful ahole. I did find out that the Vicky I used to talk to there is the department manager and in the end this guy I was talking to said he would give Vicky my phone number but I would be surprised if that happens. He gave me one excuse after another why they would not even address the issue of the tractor I have with the long axles and did not want to know the details. He even tried to tell me that most of the records from that time period have not survived to the present and that there were no records which ever tied powerlift serial numbers to tractor serial numbers!!! I wonder how Two-Cylinder ever managed to produce the production registers for B and G tractors since there are no such records according to this guy. I have pretty much lost all hope of ever getting anywhere with T.C. or J.D. since they are in bed together on this subject. What ever happened to either one of them being proud of their heritage and contribution to the hobby and the history. Lyle Cherry among others would turn over in his grave. They have completely lost touch with those of us who care. Wish they would see the postings on here. If T.C. had their ear to the ground, and cared, they would be watching this website forum every day.
Thanks for the number. I called it and got someone on the phone (man) who I won't name and to put it mildly was a disrespectful ahole. I did find out that the Vicky I used to talk to there is the department manager and in the end this guy I was talking to said he would give Vicky my phone number but I would be surprised if that happens. He gave me one excuse after another why they would not even address the issue of the tractor I have with the long axles and did not want to know the details. He even tried to tell me that most of the records from that time period have not survived to the present and that there were no records which ever tied powerlift serial numbers to tractor serial numbers!!! I wonder how Two-Cylinder ever managed to produce the production registers for B and G tractors since there are no such records according to this guy. I have pretty much lost all hope of ever getting anywhere with T.C. or J.D. since they are in bed together on this subject. What ever happened to either one of them being proud of their heritage and contribution to the hobby and the history. Lyle Cherry among others would turn over in his grave. They have completely lost touch with those of us who care. Wish they would see the postings on here. If T.C. had their ear to the ground, and cared, they would be watching this website forum every day.
There is one other thing you can try. I don't remember the exact chain of command that it follows but in order to get a replacement serial number tag, you need to start at your local dealer. They contact a regional or district manager and it goes from there. You need to provide any and all info you have(Lift #, long axles) that can be used to identify the tractor. I recall reading that it takes a while for the whole process but it may be your only hope.
I imagine that the problem finding out the tractor serial number from the lift number is that they are not indexed that way. As I understand it, the production register is organized by serial number, and the lift number may be noted in the entry and maybe not.
I'm sure it would be possible to cross the lift to the serial number if someone were willing to look at every entry until they came across the lift number. Of course if the records were computerized this would be easy, but ......
Another problem may be that Deere may be reluctant to identify a tractor by the lift number as it is easy to change a lift to a different tractor, and if you make a new serial number plate based on the lift number, you then might have two tractors with the same serial number running around.
So no excuse for someone being rude to you on the phone, but it might be reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Kurt
I'm sure it would be possible to cross the lift to the serial number if someone were willing to look at every entry until they came across the lift number. Of course if the records were computerized this would be easy, but ......
Another problem may be that Deere may be reluctant to identify a tractor by the lift number as it is easy to change a lift to a different tractor, and if you make a new serial number plate based on the lift number, you then might have two tractors with the same serial number running around.
So no excuse for someone being rude to you on the phone, but it might be reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Kurt
Kurt JDB
Yeah I'm aware of all of those things and more when it comes to researching something like this. I'm aware they are listed by tractor serial number but I have already narrowed it to definitely being after serial number 419886 due to the fact that it has the compound angle gusset under the frame and likely not long after that because the casting date on the main case is 187-35 making it cast on 5-6-35 and then add about 70 days for seasoning (this varies a lot) and your up to around mid July 35. I also saw a tractor at a show recently that had a casting date of 171-35 or just 16 days prior to mine and it's serial number was 419612 and it was built approx. 7-8-35 according to my month by month serial number list. It does have the reinforcing ribs around the overdrive bearing on the first reduction gear cover and this would put it after 421000 or about mid August 35 but those were frequently replaced due to breakage. I know the lifts can be added/changed easily but it very closely matches when I believe from my own research that the tractor was built. I have no intentions of getting a replacement tag. I just want to know how and when the tractor came to exist and what history if any it may have. T.C. has the Unstyled A on electronic file and have said so but refuse to check for me. Anyway I'm going to keep digging to find about this tractor if it kills me. So that means this project is now in direct competition with my wife and kids trying to kill me.
Yeah I'm aware of all of those things and more when it comes to researching something like this. I'm aware they are listed by tractor serial number but I have already narrowed it to definitely being after serial number 419886 due to the fact that it has the compound angle gusset under the frame and likely not long after that because the casting date on the main case is 187-35 making it cast on 5-6-35 and then add about 70 days for seasoning (this varies a lot) and your up to around mid July 35. I also saw a tractor at a show recently that had a casting date of 171-35 or just 16 days prior to mine and it's serial number was 419612 and it was built approx. 7-8-35 according to my month by month serial number list. It does have the reinforcing ribs around the overdrive bearing on the first reduction gear cover and this would put it after 421000 or about mid August 35 but those were frequently replaced due to breakage. I know the lifts can be added/changed easily but it very closely matches when I believe from my own research that the tractor was built. I have no intentions of getting a replacement tag. I just want to know how and when the tractor came to exist and what history if any it may have. T.C. has the Unstyled A on electronic file and have said so but refuse to check for me. Anyway I'm going to keep digging to find about this tractor if it kills me. So that means this project is now in direct competition with my wife and kids trying to kill me.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Have you called Wes yet and pick his brain on this subject yet?? 
Kurt_JDBeic
New User
Maybe you could offer a bribe. $100 ought to do it.
Kurt
Kurt
I did call him several times today around the noon time and his phone was repeatedly busy (shocker huh?) and then when it did finally ring I got his answering machine. I did leave my name, phone number, and e-mail address. Certainly don't expect him to call me back on his nickel but maybe I will hear from him through e-mail. If any of you guys out there happen to talk to him before I hear from him I would greatly appreciate it if you would point him to the articles I have posted on here and my e-mail address in case there was any problem with the message I left being understood or something.
You have a point there. One other thing that I have meant to ask and this is for anyone out there reading these posts and I should make a seperate post for it is this. I would like to hear from any and all who are willing to tell me of Unstyled A tractors they have, even just a main case with a serial number tag, what the serial number is, the powerlift number if it has one, and particularly the casting date on the main case. If you know the build date that would be very helpful too. I want to start compiling a list of this info and will gladly share it with anyone who wants it as time goes along. I have tried contacting members through the tractor registry with serial numbers that are probably right around mine for a couple months now but there is something wrong with the e-mail there as it always comes back with "500 internal server error" indicating there is something wrong with YT system at least in that area. I have e-mailed them about this but heard nothing back
I also should have said that I fully understand if there is some reason that some don't want to divulge that kind of information, certainly on here as a post, but you can always e-mail it to me privately. I have already compiled a month by month serial number list based on the information I have gathered over the years and it seems to be fairly accurate most of the time. Thanks to all.
Michael St John
New User
I have a similar problem with my BN. The serial tag is missing but the Power Lift tag is there and readable. I emailed 2cyl and got the following reply.
'The PL numbers are listed for some B Series
Tractors, but not all. It
would be fairly easy to narrow down the search to a given range, say,
a thousand or so tractors, because the PL numbers are generally in
somewhat of a chronological order. After the range is found, there are
40 tractors per page that would need to have the PL number examined.
I'd expect this to take less than two hours, or I may be able to
determine in just a few minutes that PLs are not listed in this range.
The Serial Number Registers are at Deere & Company, and I have the
exceptional privilege to go there to study them. My next trip is
scheduled for August, and I may have the time available to pursue
this.'
I emailed a photo of the tractor but have heard nothing else.
'The PL numbers are listed for some B Series
Tractors, but not all. It
would be fairly easy to narrow down the search to a given range, say,
a thousand or so tractors, because the PL numbers are generally in
somewhat of a chronological order. After the range is found, there are
40 tractors per page that would need to have the PL number examined.
I'd expect this to take less than two hours, or I may be able to
determine in just a few minutes that PLs are not listed in this range.
The Serial Number Registers are at Deere & Company, and I have the
exceptional privilege to go there to study them. My next trip is
scheduled for August, and I may have the time available to pursue
this.'
I emailed a photo of the tractor but have heard nothing else.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Man yoiu are obsessed with this. Chill out
TC doesn't want to take your money for a research but I bet they'd be more than willing to take it for a classified ad. They don't want to look it up but at least you can use them to your full advantage. I hope that Vicky calls you with the info. However, if she doesn't, I would still try the replacement route. That way you're dealing with someone in the Deere organization. Have you been able to track any of the tractors previous owners down?
Indiana Boy
Member
I have an A with a casting date 1 day after yours. I just sent you an email with the info.
Tx Jim
Well-known Member
- Location
- Coyote Flats, Texas
I may have to take your advice and send a bribe to 2 Cylinder Club cause they've had my money over 2 months for a styled B.
Michael St John
New User
A GURU - my BN is styled but is one of the early ones - small pto shaft etc. I was told that she came to the UK early in the war as part of the lease/lend program. She is on steels which I am told is quite rare. I understand the problems with fraud, etc, but I would really like to know a bit more about her history. If you think you may be able to help I would be most grateful. The PL number is PLB 57435.
If you have e-mail send me as much info on the tractor as you know or have. The main case casting date has some importance in estimating the date range of the tractor. I have no detailed records for styled B tractors so probably can't help you much but can try when I have time. Two-Cylinder and J.D. are the only ones who can give you a definite answer if they are so inclined. If you are able to research it yourself at J.D.Archives you will get your answer most likely. If I don't get mine solved by then I might need to employ you to figure mine out too!
Michael St John
New User
A GURU - having trouble getting to your email. System keeps telling me it wont allow my message as it is SPAM!! [email protected]
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