Jackpots, Speed Limits, and NATPA

[Mopower]

With satisfaction and success of jackpot and speed limit pulling being self-evident in many clubs, has there been any more discussion of 5mph or "Div3+" type classes with NATPA?

However heated the last discussion, my impressions of the questions and comments were quite positive. My hunch tells me if such classes were created you could count on much more than only my participation. It worked at the Michigan Shootout and Berrien Springs!

My appetite being quite strong this morning, I'd like nothing better than feast on a big juicy can of worms. Better yet, maybe use it to bait my hook hoping for a few more intelligent nibbles on the subject of creating slightly less regulated speed limit classes.

Ethan Berry
M-M Puller
www.cafpc.webs.com

 

[mm-r47]

Ther you go with the worms. After this weekend it will be to late.

 

[Mopower]

What is this weekend? NATPA rules meeting?

 

[Anonymous-0]

If I am going to pull my div.3 tractor in the jack pot with div. 5 tractors then I want 30% over rpm's

 

[Anonymous-0]

30% Doesnt do any good if you dont have the power at the lower rpms at the end of the track. How many tractors start out running strong and when they get half track just fail after a few feet.

 

[RandyB(MI)]

That requires a w-i-d-e torque band and we all know what color you need for that.(worms??)

 

[Drew]

I just got home from the meeting a few minutes ago. The way I understood it, you get the rpms for the divsion you run. So if you are div. 3, you get div 3 10% rpm, and could possibly run against division 5 tractors that get 30% rpm. From a competition fairness standpoint, that doesnt make sense. BUT, I can understand it from the standpoint of having the safety equipment for the RPM you usually run in your normal division.

Ethan, if I remember right, you wanted to pull with 800 jugs in a speed limit class???? The way I get it, you and everyone else with G/800 jugs on a div 3 type U is left out because you have to run 2 regular NATPA classes to be eligable to hook the jackpot. One gentleman stood up and gave what I thought was a very good speech on how the club needed to open up the rules a little in the jackpot classes to attract new pullers. In my opinion, this fell on deaf ears. I dont understand what is so hard to understand on the concept of when you have a speed limit, WHO CARES what jugs or heads you run....you are only going to go as fast as the speed limit.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I have enough to play in the 4750, horn goes off at half throttle, would be nice to have 30% for the end of the pull and I don't pull post pounders!

 

[Anonymous-0]

come to the meeting and quit bitching!! at least they are trying to work with you!!!!

 

[Anonymous-0]

just heard from someone that was there, too. Get TECHED for div 4 (if you are a 3 tractor)--you meet div 4 rules, then you can run 20%....it is 5 mph!!!!! who cares if you're pulling againt the silver bullet people, it is 5 mph!!!!!

 

[SingleFrontWheel]

YEP, MM

 

[Drew]

But how many div. 3 tractors have the finders and a dead man throttle you have to have to pass tech for div. 4? I am sure there are some that have the fenders and can quickly make some adjustments to their throttle, but not everyone has that luxury.

 

[Anonymous-0]

soo....if you are a div 3 tractor, and I meet div 4 rules you can run 20%...? In what div? 3? thats what it sounds like...so then div 3 isn't div 3 anymore?

 

[Anonymous-0]

When you have your tractor on the dyno what hp doses it pull below 540. rpms.

 

[Anonymous-0]

What a few of you don't understand is a Div 5 tractor running 5mph at 1/4 or 1/2 throttle will win 95% of the time against a Div 3 tractor running 5mph at full throttle. Been there done that on boths sides of that fence.

 

[Anonymous-0]

are you stupid???? look at the jackpot classes all year!!!!! guarentee NO DIV V tractor won a 5 mph jackpot--typical deere puller crap!!! fancy lettering and writing on all parts...but that don't make power baby!!!!

 

[Anonymous-0]

then come pull and quit talking.....when have you ever pulled in a winter jaclp;ot--totally different than summer!!

 

[Drew]

I think you need to direct your reply to the right person....I'm not the one saying div. 5 tractors will win all the time.

The part I dont like is letting 2 tractors of same model having different RPM rules running head to head in the same class. Pick a RPM limit, doenst matter what % over it is, but make it the same for everyone.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Not whining, I have a Div. 5 tractor. I'll pull against your Div. 3 tractor at 5mph all day long. I'll win most of the time summer or winter. I've pulled and won both winter and summer. Just stating facts.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I don't pull a deere, but you are wrong, Dale Bradley won the 7250 jackpot class at Wauseon. Art Forrest got 2nd, both Div. 4 tractors.

 

[Anonymous-0]

aren't they div 4 tractors I believe? still haven't seen a div 5 win a jackpot on results I've looked at. maybe div 3 guys could run 20% over then...that might be fair. i agree on that

 

[Anonymous-0]

Yes they are. No Div. 5 tractors pulled in the jackpot classes that I saw. The Speed limit does level the playing field somewhat, but the rpms should be the same across the board in my opinion.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I think you guys are looking for a needle in a haystack! One class to satisfy everybody and have fun at the same time??

I have an idea,,,, you wanna open things up, yet keep the leash on right?? Open a 0-5500# PERCENTAGE score class. Run all the tractors that wanna enter,,, even if a 3500# tractor wants to enter and run against a 5500# tractor,, that 3500# tractor has just as much a chance to WIN as the 5500# tractor. If you tried it once,,,,,,, you guys will love it and its fair!!

Give em two rounds,,,, one is like a tune up round and the second is the go for it run, best percent wins. Nobody is doing this on a national level, why not spice things up, and add something a bit from yesteryear of pulling? I know the old expression,,, "dont wanna get beat by a calculator". Just a suggestion,,, but Im tellin ya all,,,,,,,,,, this would be a fun thing to try out. ChadS

 

[Anonymous-0]

Do they run the sled up faster i assume in Div 5 than div 3?

 

[Anonymous-0]

read the DIV V rules meet them ,get a DIV V rpm sticker.Walla you now have nothing to complain about you too can have 30% just meet the rules

 

[SS express]

Drew I was the one with the speech at the NATPA meeting I had long discussion after the meeting with several pullers and board members . I don't think the 50/50 rules have been fully determined yet If any of you want these classes that are not NATPA members but want to pull with us and try it out. Go to the NATPA web site and e-mail or call all of the NATPA board members and tell them your idea's as of right now it's in thier hands.Tell them a simple 20% over for all in class and you don't have to pull any other classes when they see how many of you want to pull with us they will handle it correctly i'm sure. The NATPA is going to have the classes from what I understand we just need to tweak it just a little bit SO CALL THEM ASAP they will listen. Hey CHADS don't be a hater get on the phone and do something produtive to help if you are such an ambassidor of the sport. Thanks Dale

 

[mm-r47]

When I ran div. 5 With my GVI in order to pull jackpot I had to comply with div.4 rpm's.

 

[Mopower]

Yes, my sentiments exactly. I"m talking about plane G jugs on my tractor and also HD800 jugs. G jugs are not any bigger bore than any other M5 jugs. Either way, yes, speed limits are the great equalizer. Great way to get the most participation and competition. If such a class existed, I would pull at least three NATPA events per year.

 

[Mopower]

If such a class is taken seriously and implemented(sounds like it is), I'd be happy to come and join. I'm not ready to invest in an expensive cross country trip on a "maybe". Crossing my fingers. Outside input was requested, so I am answering the call. Sorry for bitching. I have higher hopes than I used to. Lots of good friends in the NATPA. It will be nice to do more than cheer them on.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Ambassidor ChadS... Now thats scary. LMAO!!!

Naaa Dale,,,, I dont hate anything that has been talked about here. I think its great. I wasnt trying to be sarcastic,,,,, so let that be considered. One class to pull em all in,, a shootout of the best of thier divsion for a top prize award. ChadS

 

[Anonymous-0]

If you check the 5500 Jackpot at Wauseon the first eight tractors were Div III. I was 9, Dale was 14. Speed limits do work. Art