Jd 46a loader

[johndeereman]

I just bout a 46a loader and am going to pick it up this weekend I"m pretty sure the wife and I can"t pick it up and put it on the trailer so I"m thinking my best bet might be to take my 3010 with me and mount the loader right there. That being said ho does the loader frame mount to the tractor? Obviously you have the bolts and clamps that go on the rear axles but what holds it stationary on the front of the tractor? Thanks

 

[Tx Jim]

A "C" shaped bracket bolts to the nose of the tractor with two 3/4 X 2-1/4" bolts.

 

[thurlow]

If it's a-setting on the stands (and has correct hoses), it's about a 5 minute job to put it on (or off).....after installing the brackets. If your tractor has fenders, the same bolts that hold the fenders on also hold the rear loader brackets on. Make sure you can get the bolts loose.......(I've got 2 of the old loaders that I use on 4020s, though we used one on a 3010 in the '60s; it's possible that the mounting bolts have to be longer; I've never removed the brackets since they were first installed 40-plus years ago)

 

[tomstractorsandtoys1]

Make sure you use hard bolts in the front C as I have broken them off. Before we had a skid loader we used our 46A daily to load silage and haul all our manure from our dairy herd. You wll need the plow head bolts for under your fender stands. If you can not find any long enough you can take a shorter bolt and weld a piece of another bolt to it.The proper length is almost impossible to find.

 

[buickanddeere]

Always wondered how there are all these loaders are for sale. No sign however of the tractor and the mounting frames.
If you do not have the factory mounting frame. You will spend more time and $$$ grafting it on there than if you had purchased a matched set.
Don't know if the JD parts site has an active part number for the frame?

 

[johndeereman]

Thanks tx Jim that answers my question. I did not see the c shaped piece there but also didn't know what I was looking for either. I'm sure it's all there as he just took it off his tractor all is in working order he just needs the money more than the loader.

 

[Tx Jim]

(reply to post at 11:59:11 11/30/12)

Johndeereman
It's possible that the "C" shaped piece is still bolted to the tractor that the loader was removed from. You can view the parts catalog to get an idea of what the part looks like @ JDparts.com

 

[wilamayb]

The 46A loader frame is welded to the loader. The only brackets are a "C" shaped piece on the front which would be easily duplicated.

The rear brackets are rather simple as well...

These are great little loaders. They are light, not nearly as taxing on the front of your new gen front as the 148/158 loaders.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 13:53:42 11/30/12) They are light, not nearly as taxing on the front of your new gen front as the 148/158 loaders.

Please explain how the 46A puts less strain on the frt axle over a 148 loader????? Granted the 158 protrudes farther out front so due to the fulcrum effect will put more strain on the frt axle with the same load.

 

[wilamayb]

Ever put one on the scales? Ever noticed how much larger the diamter of the bores on the cylinders of the 148/158 vs. the 46/46A? Ever compared the break-out weights of the 148/158 vs. the 46/46A?

A thousand pounds on the front of a 46/46A loader still weighs less than a thousand pounds on the front of a 148/158 as far as the front axle is concerned. Weight transfer comes into effect here to (as you mentioned). The 148/158 loader protrude past the front axle further than the 46/46A. It only takes a few inches to get a pile of weight transferred from the rear of the tractor onto the front axle.

Good enough explaination? Ha ha

I appreciate your knowledge, TX Jim. I wish I had your "knowhow" on new gens and gen II tractors. Such "knowhow" might cause me to change professions, or just buy more tractor. I'm not sure which

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 17:14:28 11/30/12) The 148/158 loader protrude past the front axle further than the 46/46A.
Good enough explaination?

William
If you'll go back and re-read you'll see I asked the difference in the strain on the frt axle of a 148 vs 46A and didn't include the "158". Size of cylinders only indicates the capability of of a loader to raise not the amount of strain on the frt axle. So how much farther do you "think" a 148 frt end loader protrudes past the frt axle than a 46A to put this extra stress on the frt axle???? So to answer your question on your explanation then"NO".:wink:

As I stated in the past I believe this forum should be about "real facts" not what someone "thinks or believes". Prove me wrong and I'll APOLOGIZE.
Jim

 

[Anonymous-0]

I have a 48A loader that does not have anything that extends back and clamps to the rear axle. Are there different versions of the 48A?

 

[Anonymous-0]

Sorry, just noticed this is about 46A and not 48A loader.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I hope you like yours better than I liked mine. The cylinders leaked. Had a new kit put in and they soon started leaking again. Got rid of it and was glad to see it go down the road.

 

[johndeereman]

The loader is on stands. However he had quick disconnects on either side of the dash so the hoses won"t reach for me so I might have to put the pins in the loader and drag it onto the trailer to get it home and plumb it all together. Right now I"m using a 45w hand trip loader on a jd 70 that does not have p.s. so I"m thinking I"m really going to like this 46a loader lol a lot of people complain about the 45 loaders being light as well but I"ve been using mine daily for 6 years now and I have more issues with dag burn front tires blowing out than anything. Put a 1000lb round bale on the front and drive across some frozen ground eventually cuts a sidewall. I"ve tried everything from tractor tires to 10 ply truck tired none work great. Truck tires are cheaper to replace.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 18:51:45 11/30/12) I have a 48A loader that does not have anything that extends back and clamps to the rear axle. Are there different versions of the 48A?

I don't ever remember a model 48A loader.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 17:14:28 11/30/12) Ever put one on the scales? Ever noticed how much larger the diamter of the bores on the cylinders of the 148/158 vs. the 46/46A? Ever compared the break-out weights of the 148/158 vs. the 46/46A

William
Just for the record the 46A could have 2-1/2 diameter lift cylinders just like the 148 :wink: So their lift capacities are going to be very close.

 

[tomstractorsandtoys1]

If the hoses are to short simply take 2 pieces of hose alomg and a set of JD ends on one end and female couplers on the other and plug onto the existing hoses or take a handful of fittings along and splice on more hose that way.It would be much safer than dragging it on and you need to do something anway.

 

[wilamayb]

I'll make you a deal . Next time I'm home I'll measure the distance on boom to bucket pin on my 46A and report back. I dont have a 148 but have a friend that does. I'll ask him to do the same to prove the leverage factor.

Next time my 4020 is near a set of scales I'll also weight the front tires with loader on with an empty bucket and report back.

Unless some nice individual on this site has some on hand, the sales literature on the 46A loader is scarce as hen's teeth. It seems as if the 148 loader weighs 1350 lbs. I'm willing to bet a wooden nickel at the 46A weighs less than 1000 lbs.

Do I have hard numbers to support my statement that the 46A loader is less taxing than the 148? No, but I can get some. Beyond a shadow of a doubt the 46A is a lighter loader, weighs less, and sits closer to the axle than the 148.

 

[Tx Jim]

William
With the extra tubing that the frame of the 46A is constructed with it would surprise me if there's 350#s difference in the weight of a 46A and a "148" but I've been surprised before.

 

[Kh]

Never had an issue with our 46A dad had on our 3020 since the 1960's only taken off tractor to overhaul it once in the early 1990's. Been a good loader and we use it a lot to lift stuff no complaints!Know we had the extension on it for a snow bucket but you can take those off.

 

[Kh]

Also we have the step on it makes nicer to get off of it. More View of the loader.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Those loaders are junk newer ones way better!