JD 5105 4x4 with loader

[Mike M]

Are these any good ? I thought I read where some of these models had more problems then others ?

 

[Tx Jim]

JD 5000 series utility tractors don't have a very good track record.

 

[ryan3020]

Depends on what u wanna do with it. If ur gonna farm 100acres with it id say skip it due to the fact that they are somewhat crude for a newer tractor. Im not sure what texas jim means by 5000's not having a good track record. There are quite a few in my area, they make an excellent utility tractor and I have seen very few issues with them. 5000's did have some issues with brakes but were repaired long ago. They would also have a tendency to wear out drives clutches if clutch freeplay was not adjusted. With that said i still believe a 5105 is a nice unit.

 

[buickanddeere]

The 05 had a better track record than the 5000,5010's.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 16:08:01 04/27/11) Im not sure what texas jim means by 5000's not having a good track record. /quote]

The ones I've seen the clutch pedals were hard to depress and most had already had clutch plate renewed. The hyd system and engine were loud and one of the them had to have the final drives R&R'd to replace tiny spring to stop brakes from dragging. Then there's the coolant sensor that shorts out and then the engine won't run. My neighbor bought a New 5625 MFWD that has given a lot of hyd problems. He told me it was the worst tractor he'd ever bought and I know he's had a 2440 & two 2355's before the 5625

 

[ryan3020]

(quoted from post at 05:15:50 04/28/11)

(quoted from post at 16:08:01 04/27/11) Im not sure what texas jim means by 5000's not having a good track record. /quote]

"My neighbor bought a New 5625 MFWD that has given a lot of hyd problems."

:? Just curious as to what kind of hyd problems he had? We have sold hundreds of 5000,5003,5005,5010s,5020s,5025,5000D,5000E, & 5000M and a dont recall more than a handfull of hyd problems. I also wouldnt say that a $30 sensor that can be changed in less than 5 minutes, causes a machine to have a "bad track record". Also the fact the deere quite uses that type or "tiny spring" in early 5000's and updated the design shouldn't either. Stiff clutch pedal usually due to fact of poor or no lubrication of linkage.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 09:02:57 04/28/11)/quote]



I also wouldnt say that a $30 sensor that can be changed in less than 5 minutes, causes a machine to have a "bad track record". Stiff clutch pedal usually due to fact of poor or no lubrication of linkage.

The $30 dollar sensor isn't bad but if the owner isn't well versed in electrical diagnostics then one needs to add in the service call or hauling fee and the dealer shop rate. Now that won't be cheap!!!!!!!!!

The stiff clutch pedals I saw were on the earlier 5200/5400 and lubrication didn't help.

 

[ryan3020]

Mike M, my personal opinion as a currently master certified john deere tech is that a 5105 will make a great tractor if the price is right. You will have less problems with it then you would a 40+ year old syncro 3020. If you were to post a question on this forum about your 5105 not wanting to start im sure you get a few responces telling you to replace the sensor on the thermostat housing. (which is one of the great things about this forum)If you can change engine oil, you can replace the sensor. My 15 cents

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 09:42:51 04/28/11) If you were to post a question on this forum about your 5105 not wanting to start im sure you get a few responces telling you to replace the sensor on the thermostat housing. (which is one of the great things about this forum)If you can change engine oil, you can replace the sensor. My 15 cents

Ryan
I agree but not all owners of 5105 tractor read or post on this forum. I did not imply that the sensor was hard to change but without being aware of the existing problems the actual diagnoses isn't easy. I read other forums that pertain to more utility type tractors that depict more than just a few incidents of component failures/problems.

 

[ryan3020]

Silly me, i thought we were answering Mike M's question who clearly uses this forum. Still no more problems then most 20,30,40,50,55 series tractors and 5000's are usually cheaper/easier to repair.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 12:24:05 04/28/11) Silly me, i thought we were answering Mike M's question who clearly uses this forum. Still no more problems then most 20,30,40,50,55 series tractors and 5000's are usually cheaper/easier to repair.

I won't be around when JD 5000 series utility tractor have any where close to the same number of birthdays as 20,30,40,50,55 series tractors but I seriously doubt that your statement will be true when they get that old.

I can't believe you chose to compare JD 40,50 & 55 series tractors to a 5000 series. These are some of the best tractors JD put their name on.

Sorry for veering off Mike M's question but I try to call it the way I see it.

 

[ryan3020]

Lets agree to disagree. I never said 20,30,40,50,55,60,70 werent good tractors! You yourself have commented on what a p.o.s. a 2950,55 was but i will defend them as a GREAT machine. Early 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, and 9000's only have a one less birthday then the last built 55,60,or 70 series. I believe our diffence of opinion has alot too do with being from diffent generations. I believe that most john deeres are the best ever made with a few exceptions. Views like yours are what i believe drive up used equipment prices. That why a nice late model 4020 costs $15000+!!!!! New stuff is just as good or better then old stuff.

 

[Mike M]

Ryan; This is an early one year 2000 What kinda brake problems were there ? This may not of had any recalls done as originally it sat on a dealers lot that went out of business shortly after this one was sold. And does the optional $460.00 worth cold start advance do much good ? I think a block heater will be my first option. It allready has the manifold heater kit.

I am to have it bought as I made an offer last night. But the money hasn't changed hands yet. Hope he doesn't back out.
What are these things worth ? less then 600 hrs. on it grill banged up and seat cover bad ,but should clean up ok.

 

[ryan3020]

5105's did not have any brake issues. That was only on early 5200,5300,5400 & 5500. I'd say 99% of those issues have all sence been resolved. It involved removing both final drives and replacing A set or 6 brake return springs that would seize up and cause brakes to severly drag but the 5105 has an updated system that doesnt have the same issues. The cold start advance does help but with an intake heater and block heater i doubt you will have any issues unless it is continuously below zero. Id go without for now and see how it starts, can allways be added at a later date if needed. Im not a salesman but id say depending on what model loader is on it and if tires arent dry-rotted/weather checked id say a high value of $20,000 depending on what part of the country your in and if it hasnt spent any time in a manure or salt pile. Grill and seat are fairly inexpensive to replace if desired,

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 13:23:09 04/28/11)I never said 20,30,40,50,55,60,70 werent good tractors! You yourself have commented on what a p.o.s. a 2950,55 was but i will defend them as a GREAT machine.Views like yours are what i believe drive up used equipment prices. That why a nice late model 4020 costs $15000+!!!!! New stuff is just as good or better then old stuff.

Yes we are from different eras. I worked for a JD dealer and sold & serviced JD tractors in the 3020/4020 time frame. But I'm also acquainted with the common problems of the newer models.

I think 4020's command high prices on their own merit. They were & are good tractors. JD 40,50 & 55 series Rowcrop tractors command high prices also.

I think you'll have a difficult time finding a "quote of mine" stating that 2950/55 were a p.o.s. They were some of the better Mannheim/Dubuque tractors built. Yes they did have a few hyd & drive clutch fallacies and yes I've stated that the SGB wiring left a lot to be desired and resembled a spider web. I certainly hope you think the wiring in a 50/55 series Mannheim SGB isn't GREAT.

As you stated we agree to disagree.