So I haven't received a refund or a head yet. Since it has been over 13 months since you cashed my check I have gotten ahold of holly springs pd they informed me to file fraud report with local pd and they will proceed with everything that needs to be done. It crosses state lines which makes it interstate fraud and I mailed a check whichs also makes it mail fraud. Are those charges really worth it to you? I'm sick of staying quiet about this and trying to email you privately this is the last warning I will give before turning over all the info to the police and letting them handle it. I'm not interested in more excuses or you contacting me with more promises of how my head will be done next month. Its been "next month" since jan. Of 09 hopefully this wakes you up a little bit. I am not about to miss another year of pulling because of you
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jd plowboy
Member
that is really bad business there. i dont understand why people do you like that. i have heard that he has a website about pistons but he doesnt make the pistons he orders those from other manufacturers and waits till he gets 3 or 4 orders before ordering them so he can get a better price on them. im not into that kind of business, if i purchase something from somewhere i want to get a date when i will receive them and not going to wait until someone gets ready to order to save them money.
Not too sure on that but I did pay for pistons and head in december of 2008 pistons he claimed pistons were on the shelf didn't show up until june 09 after repeated emails and multiple I'll send them tomorrows. I just want my money so I can buy a murphys head and be done. I really didn't want to bring his name out here like this but what can I do at this point I missed a whole year of pulling because of no parts and empty promises. Head and pistons were both promised jan 1st 2009
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Ross makes some if not all of the pistons. The first B blocks were very thin on the bottom, that issue has reportedly been resolved. Hopefully others are fairing better, service after the sale is important to me as I am sure it is to others especially when they have money down.
jd plowboy
Member
i had a guy build a motor for me and he used arias pistons and they were built from scatch in 6 weeks i think and when they came who ever took the order wrote the size down wrong but they still didnt take but about 3 months total to get them with there messup. sounds like he cant get the products he promised out to you or something. the person i got the info from doesnt live that far from him. he works out of his garage i was told. im not bad mouthing him or anything but everyone should do what they say or promise to. i havent bought anything from him but i did talk to him about the pistons that went in my motor and the guy who built it told me about him so i didnt go that route.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
is that one of those aluminum heads? most places wont allow that.
jd b puller
Well-known Member
Jake, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
To answer some of your questions and acusations...
Fact - you paid for a head and pistons.
Fact - I sent you a check last week, and according to the online bank payment thingie, you should have it on 2/24.
- yep, I learned a lot last year
-- I learned that I don't need to make every sale. Some customers aren't worth having. Most are, some just aren't.
-- I learned that if you pay a patternmaker $10,000 in Sept 08 and they promise you heads by December of 08, you shouldn't believe them.
- Every date that I gave you was 4 weeks after the date I was given by the patternmaker.
- As we discussed before, I have several different pistons that will work in your PB A. Since the head kept getting delayed, you pondered different head options, even going back to a stock head just to run. You told me not to worry about it, money was tight anyways.
- You weren't putting your engine together, so having pistons in hand isn't too important, especially since I'm the one figuring your rod length and cutting the domes on them if they are needed or not. You won't need a dome with stroker crank in a powerblock with a flat head. And you don't want the added mass of a domed piston if you don't need it.
- In June/July of last year, I told you that I was as frustrated as you are and didn't know when the heads would be done, they were already 6 months late and I didn't have a warm fuzzy about when they would be ready. At that point I offerred to send you a ported Heisler that you could use so that you wouldn't miss any pulling. I'd pay the shipping to get the new head to you and get the Heisler back. You decided to wait, so quit your crying about me "making you miss a year".
- In Sept 09 I finally got castings, (I thought) but I didn't like the way the runner looked and I sent the pattern back to be reworked. I could have sent it to you and you probably would have bolted it on and been happy as a clam due to the added compression and the PB + stroker motor.
- Patterns were back at the foundry in mid Dec and due to XMAX shutdown were not made until Jan.
- I currently have good castings and they do look nice.
- Will be finishing 1 head this week. You won't be getting it.
Ricky (plowboy), Yes, I am a distributor for Ross Pistons, and also work with Arias. Billet pistons are CNC'd by a local shop after I draw them in Pro-E. I don't know why you would think that I "wait for several orders to come in", that would not be the case. There are other suppliers that do that. I try to make billet pistons within 3-4 weeks.
dboll, no these are not the aluminum heads. The aluminum head is a pet project for my tractor. These are new iron heads for the A's. Yes, the thin spot on the water jacket of the block was fixed on the block as soon as I became aware of the problem.
As always, my e-mail is open.
JD_A_HEAD
To answer some of your questions and acusations...
Fact - you paid for a head and pistons.
Fact - I sent you a check last week, and according to the online bank payment thingie, you should have it on 2/24.
- yep, I learned a lot last year
-- I learned that I don't need to make every sale. Some customers aren't worth having. Most are, some just aren't.
-- I learned that if you pay a patternmaker $10,000 in Sept 08 and they promise you heads by December of 08, you shouldn't believe them.
- Every date that I gave you was 4 weeks after the date I was given by the patternmaker.
- As we discussed before, I have several different pistons that will work in your PB A. Since the head kept getting delayed, you pondered different head options, even going back to a stock head just to run. You told me not to worry about it, money was tight anyways.
- You weren't putting your engine together, so having pistons in hand isn't too important, especially since I'm the one figuring your rod length and cutting the domes on them if they are needed or not. You won't need a dome with stroker crank in a powerblock with a flat head. And you don't want the added mass of a domed piston if you don't need it.
- In June/July of last year, I told you that I was as frustrated as you are and didn't know when the heads would be done, they were already 6 months late and I didn't have a warm fuzzy about when they would be ready. At that point I offerred to send you a ported Heisler that you could use so that you wouldn't miss any pulling. I'd pay the shipping to get the new head to you and get the Heisler back. You decided to wait, so quit your crying about me "making you miss a year".
- In Sept 09 I finally got castings, (I thought) but I didn't like the way the runner looked and I sent the pattern back to be reworked. I could have sent it to you and you probably would have bolted it on and been happy as a clam due to the added compression and the PB + stroker motor.
- Patterns were back at the foundry in mid Dec and due to XMAX shutdown were not made until Jan.
- I currently have good castings and they do look nice.
- Will be finishing 1 head this week. You won't be getting it.
Ricky (plowboy), Yes, I am a distributor for Ross Pistons, and also work with Arias. Billet pistons are CNC'd by a local shop after I draw them in Pro-E. I don't know why you would think that I "wait for several orders to come in", that would not be the case. There are other suppliers that do that. I try to make billet pistons within 3-4 weeks.
dboll, no these are not the aluminum heads. The aluminum head is a pet project for my tractor. These are new iron heads for the A's. Yes, the thin spot on the water jacket of the block was fixed on the block as soon as I became aware of the problem.
As always, my e-mail is open.
JD_A_HEAD
jd plowboy
Member
when i checked with you last year about a set of pistons for a moline you told me you couldnt get the size i needed but they came from arias and why do you want to pay a middle man when you can buy straight from the manufacturer.
jd b puller
Well-known Member
Because when you buy from the guy that spends a pile of money from a supplier, he can give you a better price than you can get going to the manufacturer.
The manufacturer does not want to deal with 1,000 individuals, so they charge them more than the guy that buys 100 sets of pistons. The guy who buys in volume gets a better price and passes that on to the individuals. make sense?
The manufacturer does not want to deal with 1,000 individuals, so they charge them more than the guy that buys 100 sets of pistons. The guy who buys in volume gets a better price and passes that on to the individuals. make sense?
I do believe I handled this alot more calm than most would have and if sending a check and waiting for over a year and still no parts makes me a bad customer in your eyes thats fine with me. I have asked for refund multiple times to no avail I figured I had no other choice then to bring your name into it.
thing is if you were promised heads in december 08 and they werent in why did you still promise me a head jan 1 2009? why did you still accept my check in jan?
as for pistons:
From: jdbpuller ([email protected])
Sent: Mon 1/05/09 8:16 PM
To: Jake Pickerign ([email protected])
That'll work nice. Decided to go with the powerblock, eh? I'm going to send you short flat pistons.
Ray
looks like on jan 5 09 you said you were going to send me pistons, and what style we decided on, so why did they not show up until june? on jan 29 09 at 6:03pm I sent an email saying ray send the pistons so I can get them in block and measure for rod length.
I agree I wasnt putting my engine together, thats kind of hard to do with a crank only and no pistons. I told you I needed pistons to get rod length and you were in no way figuring rod length I had that worked out with the rod maker. I needed pistons in the block to figure rod length but with no pistons there was no way to put anything together.
As far as the head situation yes you did offer that although I remember that is was me paying the shipping back and forth but that part dont matter as much as you didnt get me pistons until late june so thats when I could start with rods and clearancing so yes at that point i did decide to wait because I figured at the point of june/july there was only a few pulls left and I would have to race to get it done and I figured taking my time and doing it right was best.
if you were indeed figuring my rod length and all that then why didnt you? why didnt you get me rods so I had something to work with? that way I could do the clearance work as needed so I could keep moving with my project.
it didnt need to come this far but over a year after the check is cashed and you seeming to not want to give refund and ignoring all my requests for one just telling me to sit and wait patience was too thin. every meeting every talk every email with you was mostly informational and pleasant until the end here but how can you expect me to keep sitting around and waiting for all these dates you give me that keep getting moved back? would you have been this patient with somebody? you know why I started to build this and you also know I sold almost everything i own to fund it, i find it hard to believe you could find someone in this situation more patient than me
thing is if you were promised heads in december 08 and they werent in why did you still promise me a head jan 1 2009? why did you still accept my check in jan?
as for pistons:
From: jdbpuller ([email protected])
Sent: Mon 1/05/09 8:16 PM
To: Jake Pickerign ([email protected])
That'll work nice. Decided to go with the powerblock, eh? I'm going to send you short flat pistons.
Ray
looks like on jan 5 09 you said you were going to send me pistons, and what style we decided on, so why did they not show up until june? on jan 29 09 at 6:03pm I sent an email saying ray send the pistons so I can get them in block and measure for rod length.
I agree I wasnt putting my engine together, thats kind of hard to do with a crank only and no pistons. I told you I needed pistons to get rod length and you were in no way figuring rod length I had that worked out with the rod maker. I needed pistons in the block to figure rod length but with no pistons there was no way to put anything together.
As far as the head situation yes you did offer that although I remember that is was me paying the shipping back and forth but that part dont matter as much as you didnt get me pistons until late june so thats when I could start with rods and clearancing so yes at that point i did decide to wait because I figured at the point of june/july there was only a few pulls left and I would have to race to get it done and I figured taking my time and doing it right was best.
if you were indeed figuring my rod length and all that then why didnt you? why didnt you get me rods so I had something to work with? that way I could do the clearance work as needed so I could keep moving with my project.
it didnt need to come this far but over a year after the check is cashed and you seeming to not want to give refund and ignoring all my requests for one just telling me to sit and wait patience was too thin. every meeting every talk every email with you was mostly informational and pleasant until the end here but how can you expect me to keep sitting around and waiting for all these dates you give me that keep getting moved back? would you have been this patient with somebody? you know why I started to build this and you also know I sold almost everything i own to fund it, i find it hard to believe you could find someone in this situation more patient than me
jd b puller
Well-known Member
We've been thru this before. I was concerned about the head being done, after i'd been jerked around by the patternmaker so much. I didn't want you to have pistons that wouldn't work with a different head. Then I've got pistons that aren't new but aren't used either, so they're "almost used" because they've been in the block, and you need different ones. I'm not going to eat a set of pistons for the wrong reasons.
You asked for a refund and I sent it, I don't believe I ever told you you couldn't have it. You asked that if it wasn't done by Feb 15th to send you a refund, which I did.
Trust me, i've got a pile of money wrapped up in this project and I wanted this head done last year much more than you did. Like I've told you before, as soon as I get it, you'll get it. I've got it now, and you've got your money back.
You asked for a refund and I sent it, I don't believe I ever told you you couldn't have it. You asked that if it wasn't done by Feb 15th to send you a refund, which I did.
Trust me, i've got a pile of money wrapped up in this project and I wanted this head done last year much more than you did. Like I've told you before, as soon as I get it, you'll get it. I've got it now, and you've got your money back.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
If Ray spent more time getting his work done and ansewring the phone than playing on the computer he might get somewhere.
That's impressive I show an email proving I decided on what style I wanted and you stick to your "I didn't know" story. I did think about other head options while I was waiting for your head, that doesn't change the end set up so where is there any variance in what piston needed? I know at least twice on phone too I said send the flat tops that's what I want. So tell me if a customer goes into a store orders exactly what they want example: 6.125 flat top pistons and installs them only then changes mind on what pistons needed how is that on the store/parts maker? I told you what I wanted multiple times, you were not building this thing so you have no worries on any of that just send what I want and if I screw up its on me then isn't it. I can't believe you think I'd be that big of a scumbag.
No your right you never said I couldn't have a refund you simply ignored my requests by telling me the heads are close. I have been asking for money back since 11/20. I love how you wait until you have a head before sending refund, kind of a haha nee ner nee ner I have a head and you don't deal eh? And I just wonder why I have a feeking when I crack the mailbox tonight I'll see a check that isn't as big as the amount I paid for the head that is if it is actually going to be here today like you say. Maybe I will get suprised and I sure hope I do
Ray I mean this sincerely I think your a good guy you have helped me out a lot and hopefully this had taught you to have parts in hand before promising dates and taking money. I do think your in the wrong business, your ability to fast smooth talk, come up with excuses, and beat around the bush is insane. Up til now I had not a bad word to say about you and if the refund is acceptable you won't hear me ever bad mouth you in any way that's not what I do.
No your right you never said I couldn't have a refund you simply ignored my requests by telling me the heads are close. I have been asking for money back since 11/20. I love how you wait until you have a head before sending refund, kind of a haha nee ner nee ner I have a head and you don't deal eh? And I just wonder why I have a feeking when I crack the mailbox tonight I'll see a check that isn't as big as the amount I paid for the head that is if it is actually going to be here today like you say. Maybe I will get suprised and I sure hope I do
Ray I mean this sincerely I think your a good guy you have helped me out a lot and hopefully this had taught you to have parts in hand before promising dates and taking money. I do think your in the wrong business, your ability to fast smooth talk, come up with excuses, and beat around the bush is insane. Up til now I had not a bad word to say about you and if the refund is acceptable you won't hear me ever bad mouth you in any way that's not what I do.
101 Puller
New User
Ray, did some cam grinding for me awhile back and had no issues at all. Great price and service!
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
if you would have tapped on the first block and heard how tinny it sounded you wouldn't have sent the first one out, I am just a farmer who builds my own engines (that run and hold together) and I noticed that.
jd b puller
Well-known Member
Doug, I ran the same vintage casting for a year. You"d think if it was that obvious, the guy that put the sleeves in it would have noticed it too, eh?
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
looks like it needs alot of machine work to finish it, how do you make any claims for flow when you don't even have one finished? is it a finished product or do you send someone a rough casting and let them finish it? Looks like this whole operation is nothing but smoke and mirrors!
jd plowboy
Member
you may be right on that but if you deal with the manufacturer then you dont get the excuses from the middle man. what good is a few dollars saved if you got to wait 6 months or a year for the parts. i am no millionaire but i would rather pay more and get it in a timely manner and not so many excuses why they not here. which with my pistons there was no excuses and they made the mistake and they done it right in a very timely manner at arias.
jd b puller
Well-known Member
(quoted from post at 18:58:58 02/24/10) you may be right on that but if you deal with the manufacturer then you dont get the excuses from the middle man. what good is a few dollars saved if you got to wait 6 months or a year for the parts. i am no millionaire but i would rather pay more and get it in a timely manner and not so many excuses why they not here. which with my pistons there was no excuses and they made the mistake and they done it right in a very timely manner at arias.
Robbie, the wait was waiting on the heads which I was waiting on the patternmaker. Again (I think this is the 3rd time), pistons were dependant on the head, and if needed, I was going to send him a different head so that he could run if needed.
Flaxseed, Jake asked for a head or a refund by the 15th. On the 15th, the picture shows where I was with the head. E-check was sent on the 16th (banks closed on the 15th). I've made no claims of flow. No, it doesn't get sent to someone unfinished. Should have that one done this week and another one next week.
jd plowboy
Member
well one thing i dont need jd parts and im not saying anything about you or the head im just saying i dont mess with middle men on parts cause if i dont have an excuse on the moeny then shouldnt be any on the parts
Ray your such a joke on jan 5 of 09 in your own email you said what pistons you were going to send, jan 29 I sent another email saying to send them again in march I sent email saying send pistons finally in april-june(not really sure I'd have to search archives) I posted on this forum that someone had not sent parts I repeatidly asked for and that's what got you off your butt to send them. I was nice enough there not to post your name but jeez enough with the excuses just admit you messed up! I said over and over flat top pistons ray no dome I'm going to get a heisler if not right away eventually and I don't want to cut a dome off I'll deal with lower compression until YOUR head gets done if that's what it takes. Be my guest and search for when I posted that someone was screwin me on parts. Now why would I publicly post something like that if I hadn't decided on what pistons I needed? That sounds silly doesn't it? I can post all the emails if you want ray I have every one that we have ever sent eachother so stop blaming it on me stop being a child and admit your wrong doings. I take offense to you making it out to be my fault I waited 6 months for pistons when in reality I told you to send them on jan. 29 09
so an e check eh? how was that sent without knowing any of my account info? where did you send it to? it didnt show up here. you cant post on here how you refunded me and expect me to go away. do you make one promise you intend to keep? when is this imaginary check going to arrive?
you know when I started this project was back in sept 08, and that was just planning and plotting where to get parts what parts to use what my budget was that sort of thing. so I posted onto this site asking advice on what to do, which route to take, how much could I get for the money. this nice guy emailed me, said his name was ray from nc had a website that looked pretty good. He gave me lots of knowledge gave me a few options on ways to go. I finally sold some things saved up decided to go with a 530ci setup with a crank from merfeld, head and pistons from ray and block from big jugs. Everything at that point went to hell, dont get me wrong jugs came through, no, more than came through couldnt ask for more, merfeld not only completed crank early met me half way(was 4 hour drive) so that I could get it early yet again more then I could ask for. But with ray it was a bit different story, that guy that emailed me was so nice so knowledgeable, where did he go ray? and who is this guy I am talking to now? This guy I am talking to now is very elusive, very quick on his feet when it comes to making excuses, it is never this guys fault when things go wrong. I would love for the nice ray to come back you know the one who was talking to me before he got my money, because after you cashed my check you changed.
A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
does this sound like you? that is the defination of fraud at this point this is all you are, make it right ray because until you do I will not go away, and to tell you the truth based on what I have heard about you I am not the only one out there and if I keep at it long enough I bet i'll gain support, seems like there is only one person on your side so far in this thread, that the only friend you have? that the only good part you put out? that the only time you took money and then delivered what you said? yet again ray I sit here with an empty promise, you said check would be here 2/24 well its 8:58pm on 2/24 and there is no check, mailman came and went but no check like promised.....hmmm that makes a guy think were you being honest or was that another bold lie you have told, please I invite you to stop me if I am not being honest really I will apologize tell everyone I was wrong whatever you would ask, but you need prove it as well. be a man fess up to your wrong doings send a check all I have been asking but no it has to come to this
you know when I started this project was back in sept 08, and that was just planning and plotting where to get parts what parts to use what my budget was that sort of thing. so I posted onto this site asking advice on what to do, which route to take, how much could I get for the money. this nice guy emailed me, said his name was ray from nc had a website that looked pretty good. He gave me lots of knowledge gave me a few options on ways to go. I finally sold some things saved up decided to go with a 530ci setup with a crank from merfeld, head and pistons from ray and block from big jugs. Everything at that point went to hell, dont get me wrong jugs came through, no, more than came through couldnt ask for more, merfeld not only completed crank early met me half way(was 4 hour drive) so that I could get it early yet again more then I could ask for. But with ray it was a bit different story, that guy that emailed me was so nice so knowledgeable, where did he go ray? and who is this guy I am talking to now? This guy I am talking to now is very elusive, very quick on his feet when it comes to making excuses, it is never this guys fault when things go wrong. I would love for the nice ray to come back you know the one who was talking to me before he got my money, because after you cashed my check you changed.
A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
does this sound like you? that is the defination of fraud at this point this is all you are, make it right ray because until you do I will not go away, and to tell you the truth based on what I have heard about you I am not the only one out there and if I keep at it long enough I bet i'll gain support, seems like there is only one person on your side so far in this thread, that the only friend you have? that the only good part you put out? that the only time you took money and then delivered what you said? yet again ray I sit here with an empty promise, you said check would be here 2/24 well its 8:58pm on 2/24 and there is no check, mailman came and went but no check like promised.....hmmm that makes a guy think were you being honest or was that another bold lie you have told, please I invite you to stop me if I am not being honest really I will apologize tell everyone I was wrong whatever you would ask, but you need prove it as well. be a man fess up to your wrong doings send a check all I have been asking but no it has to come to this
https://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/community/c3191.jpg
A better link....
E checks, can be sent by just knowing the person's name, and address...
Those of us that know Ray are not worried.. He can take care of himself.. Doing a friend count isn't going to do much good...
A better link....
E checks, can be sent by just knowing the person's name, and address...
"seems like there is only one person on your side so far in this thread, that the only friend you have? that the only good part you put out?"
Those of us that know Ray are not worried.. He can take care of himself.. Doing a friend count isn't going to do much good...
ok i didnt know that, but still he said it would be here yesterday and its still not here yet. Im glad you have faith because im starting to think im going to have to take legal action with all his lies.
ray cat got your tongue? any clues as to why it didnt show up like promised?
ray cat got your tongue? any clues as to why it didnt show up like promised?
jd b puller
Well-known Member
Jake, I do not command earth, wind, fire, or the post office. I have always given you the information that I believed to be true. When someone tells me they will do x by a certain date, I expect that. I understand your frustration, but I cannot make people do things.
"Check #5065 from your *75938 account was mailed to Jake Pickergn for receipt by 02/24/2010.
Funds for the payment will be withdrawn from your account when Jake Pickergn cashes the check."
The confirmation number is 9WGSW-HBP30
I sent an inquiry to the bank to let them know that you have not received your payment yet.
The address that I sent it to was what you gave me.
Jake Pickergn
1450 Pleasant Ave
Baldwin, WI 54002
"Check #5065 from your *75938 account was mailed to Jake Pickergn for receipt by 02/24/2010.
Funds for the payment will be withdrawn from your account when Jake Pickergn cashes the check."
The confirmation number is 9WGSW-HBP30
I sent an inquiry to the bank to let them know that you have not received your payment yet.
The address that I sent it to was what you gave me.
Jake Pickergn
1450 Pleasant Ave
Baldwin, WI 54002
Little Big B
Member
Doug, I ran the same vintage casting for a year. You"d think if it was that obvious, the guy that put the sleeves in it would have noticed it too, eh?
the guy that put the sleeves in should have also noticed that on one block the sleeves arent centered then too huh?...
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