Jinma Tractor

JRR Ca

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I've been readIng this wonderful forum for years, you guys have kept my 8N going.
What have you heard about the Jinma? It's from China and about all I can afford if Obamma gets in. I suspect it would be like buyomg tools from Harbor Fright.
My old 8N has served me very well but with the FEL the steering is pretty tough on a feller that's 84 years old.
Thanks for any and all replies.
 
JRR, Just a thought, but why not get a Ford Hundred or Ford Thousand series with power steering? A lot cheaper than a Jinma, plus it'd be Union Made in the ole USA. I don't think Jinma can boast that, even on their 50 year old tractors ;-)

Colin, MN
 
I looked at the Chinese ones, then got a late 50's IH 340 utility with a loader for $2000. It took another $1000 to get it in working condition, but at $3000 it's a lot cheaper than a new one. It has power steering, live hydraulics, independent PTO and even down pressure on the 3 pt. The best part is it's already been worked hard and beat up, so I don't have to worry about scratching it. :)
 
I agree with Colin. I own an 841 with a heavy duty loader on it. Power steering and use it all the time. Good tractor and if you look around you can find them for around $3000-4000 and they will out last any china junk you can buy and cost you a lot less. Plus parts are easy to find for them but I have heard bad things about parts for a lot of the China etc tractor as for finding parts
 
The thing to understand about tractors built in "emerging markets" such as China is that the cultural expectations are very different there. Construction equipment is built with a few year lifespan in mind - it's literally a disposable product mentality. Compare that to the mentality of US product built in the 50s and 60s, where every wear surface is designed to be refurbishable...

There's probably a place for inexpensive throw-away (so-called) product, but any more, the US assemblers (I hesitate to call them manufacturers) are in the same 'race to the bottom' as companies in the far east - it's all about driving the cost to manufacture to the absolute bottom.

Let your purchasing decision be driven with all that in mind, and you'll be happy in the end, as you'll buy based on your expectations.

I looked at the inexpensive utility tractors when we first moved to our farm, and decided I liked the durability and nostalgia of the 8N over having a new generic tractor sitting in the barn. I have about $5500 in my restored 8N, which is about half the cost of a new far east model. I suspect the N will more than doubly outlast the alternative.

es
 
As others said.. it's chineese.. make sure you get it from a dealer that will be around .. cuz if he goes out of business.. you are the warranty depot.

Your wrenching skills on your 8n will come in handy ont he chinese tractor.. lots of the same issues.. leaking orings in hyds section.. minor annoyance stuff like that.

I read a forum that has a chinese section.. their machines have many of the same problems that our older tractors have...

soundguy
 
I agree with the other posts. I have not heard good things about Chinese tractors. The ones I have looked at have had suprisingly crude castings and finish. I wish you could leave the political shot out of your very legitimate question.
 
just my 2 cents,
soon thats all we will have to buy is that chinsee junk, they are not stupid we are, soon we will have all chinsee junk and we will all be lucky if we are all workin at wallmart, few years ago GM was biggest emploer in US, things were alot better, no walmart is and look at where things are headed,i dont under stand how anyone in the US can buy a japennses or chinnse product,if we dotn wake up, 3rd world country we will be
 
I was sure I would get the info I wanted here and I certainly did and I thank you all.
Here's my situation,,,, I raise and train quarter horses as a profitable hobby, well it was before it got tough to sell a 20K horse. So the tractor is used for light duty, mostly cleaning the arena and stuff like that.
I wanted to retire Gertude my 50 8n as she's been my best buddy for some 40 years and try to get her in as good a shape as EDS(il) got his but only use it for hayrides and like that.
OK, thanks to your good advice the China junk is out
Colin, I'm gonna check on the Fords and see if I can find a local dealer.
Tesmith. The IH340 sounds good but I looking to get something new so I can restore my 8N.
OLD Only wish I had a good running 841 and I hope your back is getting better.
EDS, thanks for the wonderful reply and I was so sorry about the too wet hay, hope you could save most of it.
 
(quoted from post at 11:35:11 10/30/08) I've been readIng this wonderful forum for years, you guys have kept my 8N going.
What have you heard about the Jinma? It's from China and about all I can afford if Obamma gets in. I suspect it would be like buyomg tools from Harbor Fright.
My old 8N has served me very well but with the FEL the steering is pretty tough on a feller that's 84 years old.
Thanks for any and all replies.

Depending on the tool I often get great satisfaction and value from Harbor Freight. You asked this question in a forum that's almost gauranteed to get you a thumbs down response. Note that none of the responses came from anyone with any actual experience with a Jinma or any other Chinese tractor. We have one Jinma owner here who seems to like his quite well but he has not responded. I suggest you re-ask this question at the link below before you strike Chinese off your list

[u:b3a028c0f4]Chinese Tractor Owners Forum[/u:b3a028c0f4]

I suspect you will get a different perspective from folks that actually own one. That said I'd go used Kubota as I believe them to be a superior full featured tractor at a very affordable and competitive price. And yes, I own one.

TOH
 
(i dont under stand how anyone in the US can buy a japennses or chinnse product

I would be surprised if the number of products on the market today which are 100% designed and manufactured (including raw materials) in the USA tops a few hundred.

As I said in my other reply, companies around the globe are in a race to squeeze as much cost out of production as possible. The reason for this is that people (i.e. you and me) won't pay the higher prices required to support union wages and pensions, healthcare for all, regulation of every last little aspect of everyone's life, etc. If companies can't charge more on the top end (purchase price), the only way to remain profitable (and in business) is to reduce the bottom end (input) costs, which often means reducing quality, too.

Product from emerging markets sells so well here because those markets have lower input costs (the biggest chunk being labor cost, followed by lesser regulation) and they can charge less. That's the model Wal*mart is built around, and apparently it's one that works pretty good, even if the product itself is of lower quality.

Michael Dell knows this firsthand. Dell was started based on the premise of building decent quality computers cheaper than everyone else. That worked pretty effectively until the emerging markets figured out how to build "good enough" computers at an even lower cost. Dell's hurting today (and their quality has really suffered) because their "bottom" isn't as low as their overseas competitors.

It would be great to go back to the idyllic days of the 50s and 60s (although they had their share of problems then, too), but it just ain't gonna happen. The global market is here to stay, and companies will either figure out how to play according to global market rules or go out of business, or alternately, become very focused niche players, staying far away from commodity product categories.

Nations that attempt to follow isolationism will quickly find they have no market for their goods and services. Individuals who ignore this harsh reality will eventually find themselves priced out of their job, with no skills to transfer to another job market - which means they will be moving down the economic class scale...

I would argue that there has to be out there a market for high-quality product and parts, built to 1950s standards, but the flip side of the coin is that the price will be many times the equivalent far east product or part. It will be a very difficult business model to make work...

es
 
I ran out of space on my last reply.
SouNdguy, Very intelligent and unbiased reply, I would expect nothing less from you.
Norbert, I'm gonna check on the Jackson PS unit during my 8N restoration. Thanks for the info.
Davis, sorry about the political shot but it's the way I see it.
jj in mi, We are almost a 3rd world nation now and will be if we keep loosing industry. It's hard to buy American these days, I get tired of running back and forth to get metric tools while wrenching on my 250 Dodge PU.
 
(quoted from post at 14:04:49 10/31/08)
(i dont under stand how anyone in the US can buy a japennses or chinnse product

Product from emerging markets sells so well here because those markets have lower input costs (the biggest chunk being labor cost, followed by lesser regulation) and they can charge less. That's the model Wal*mart is built around, and apparently it's one that works pretty good, even if the product itself is of lower quality.

Michael Dell knows this firsthand. Dell was started based on the premise of building decent quality computers cheaper than everyone else. That worked pretty effectively until the emerging markets figured out how to build "good enough" computers at an even lower cost. Dell's hurting today (and their quality has really suffered) because their "bottom" isn't as low as their overseas competitors.

I install and maintain a LOT of DELL computers and AFAICT they are pretty much wholly made in China. My new 64bit dual quad core T5400 workstation is "assembled in USA" undoubtedly from parts/sub-assemblies made overseas - the Dell badged 23" LCD monitor is "Made in China". I'm not sure how that translates to their "bottom".

TOH
 
TheOldHokie,, Jeez!! thanks a big bunch for your imput. Since I can buy a 254 Jinma with a FEL and box blade for $10600 delivered it is a bit hard to turn down. Since I am from the old school and pay cash for everything (if you must charge it you can't afford it) anything much more would get into my beer money and I can't let that happen.
I'll be signing up for the CTOF this afternoon. Thanks again.
 
I'm not sure how that translates to their "bottom".

Good point, Hokie. I guess I was thinking more of the higher overhead US companies face vs. overseas companies. I suspect you're already aware you can build a PC from pretty much the same components a bit cheaper than buying one from Dell.

es
 
(quoted from post at 19:10:32 10/31/08)
I'm not sure how that translates to their "bottom".

Good point, Hokie. I guess I was thinking more of the higher overhead US companies face vs. overseas companies. I suspect you're already aware you can build a PC from pretty much the same components a bit cheaper than buying one from Dell.

es

I don't build computers - the government buys them for me - money is no obstacle :shock:

TOH
 
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