Job decisions...

Anonymous-0

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After taking some time off from my job search and being more selective about where to apply for jobs, I now have 2 good offers. One is a welding position that pays $33/hr and the other is in sales at a large welding supply that pays considerably less but has lots of opportunity for advancement and is much more stable in the long run. Both have full benefits. The sales job benefits start immediately and the welder position after 3 months. The sales position also has bonus's, company matched RRSP, and offers shares in the company. I'm not sure about RRSP's or bonus's etc. at the welding position.

The welding job is for a large manufacturer of heavy equipment attachments. The welding sales job is for a large industrial gas supplier. Both are well organized companies that have been around a long time. I may be crazy but I think I'm going to take the sales position as I could see advancing into outside sales or a technical support type role. I don't think my back could take another 15 or so years of welding and fabricating. It's heavy hard work and hard on the body. Still not easy to turn down over $69,000 a year. I've got some thinking to do.

PS/ I didn't want to dissapoint the flamers on here and not tell them what I've been up to. I'm an equal opportunity poster. There, everybody happy?:wink:
 
Sounds to me like you"d be crazy not to take the sales position. You are in an admirable position, having two job offers to choose from. Good luck, with whatever you choose.
Butch
 
You probably should take the welding job.You cant get along with people good enough to be a salesman.You would probably run more customers off than you would sell anything to.Also you probably wont last at the welding job either.Of course it will be all their fault.You will know all about how they could do it better,but then when you try and tell them what to do,they will fire you again.
I think it would be more interesting to hear what they tell you when they fire you.Like what happened to the last job?For somebody who knows all there is to know about welding,you sure seem to have a hard time keeping a job.Maybe you ought to see if you might have some personality problem that is causing that to happen?Maybe if you just do what they tell you to do and dont gripe you can keep the welding job.
But just for a preview,say you took the sales job.Say some farmer comes in and wants some 6011 rod.Say you try and sell him a DC machine and he gets mad and leaves and buys the rod from your competitor.Do you see why you probably wont make it in sales?Most people dont care what you think,they are going to do what they want to do.If they have a Lincoln buzz box and want to build the Taj Mahol with it,they will,and all you will be is in the way when they have to listen to your overbearing crap just to buy some rod.
Surely the last few years on here have taught you some things about your personality.You know if people you work for like you,they will go a long ways to keep you working.If they dont like you,they will get rid of you as quick as they can,and just use you like a machine or something.Maybe if they like you as a welder then you might have a shot at sales.Somehow I dont think you can be likeable to an employer.Either you dont want to do the work,or you think you know better,or there is just something there that makes you unemployable.If you were really good you would probably have a welding truck or something,but I dont think you really want to weld that much anyway.
 
What is your age and body condition? Can you stand the physical strain of welding for a few years while you save (yes SAVE) money. If your personality is not the best for a sales man, can you change it?. And why are you asking strangers for personal advice? You should know yourself better than we do.
 
Sounds to me like you've got alot of soal searching to do and a hard choice to make. Not knowing someone personally it's hard to give advice in a situation like this. The one thing to remember though is that money isn't everything when it comes to working. It's better to make a little less at a career you enjoy than to make millions doing a job that you hate.

You didn't say wether the sales job was inside sales or outside sales, because the two are very different. Either way, think about your personality when deciding which job would be a better fit. Do you really enjoy being in one place every day (inside sales, the welding job) or do you preffer to be out in the field and somewhere different every day (outside sales). Can you handle dealing with the "public" (uneducated/know-it-all consumer) on a day to day basis doing inside sales, or would you rather be talking to someone that typically somewhat knows the business and is looking for an 'expert' to help them decide what equipment to buy. Or are you the kind of guy that's more comfortable with your shield down and working pretty much alone where you don't have to deal with anyone but 'the boss'?

Personally I've been in jobs that put me in all three scenarios over the years and I can tell you for a fact that dealing with the public is often a real challenge. At the same time the public is in and out so their not nearly as bad as a supervisor who is looking over your shoulder every day that is an idiot......

Once you decide what you need to be happy with the job in that respect, and then factor the money into the equation too, things should be a little clearer.

Before going in for myself twelve years ago, and then again last year when things got bad, these are all things I had to think long and hard about. I much preffer to work outside, in different places, and usually alone or with a very select few people that I know won't kill me with their stupidity. When things are going good I've got everything I need, work conditions that I enjoy, and good money to round things out. Still when things got bad I had to make a choice and in the end I had to give up the freedom of working alone, choosing who I worked with, etc, etc to get a job that payed enough for me to survive. To me the worst part of that was having to stand there, suck it up, and keep my mouth shut and do something 'the hard way', 'the wrong way', and even then spend hours waiting as EVERY decision/project was second and third guessed, etc,... when I knew there was an easier way, a right way, and that the first decision wasn't just the easiest one, the right one, but the only one .... just because that's the way the boss wanted it done. Even worse was to hear how much money they were losing, and knowing that if a job was actually taken on and done the easy way, the right way, etc, etc the first time, instead of going out to look at it four or five times before even starting to do anything, and then second and third guessing the price, the design, etc, etc, etc, etc, that money COULD be made instead of lost. Had it not been for putting up with crap like that I actually enjoyed the work I was doing, and the money was OK. In that case thoug the most important thing was that it was a steady paycheck. Still I knew that there was no way I could continue in that job as a 'career' because the stress levels associated with working with a bunch of idiots was way to high for me to deal with on a daily basis for very long. As it turned out one of the jobs I had was a temp position and I quit it after two months when my own business picked back up. The other I took with a long standing company and after getting their equipment running, getting their equipment organized and inventoried, etc they hired two 'less qualified' guys for less than they were paying me and threw me back out to the wolves. I hit the ground running and as it stands I'm not back to where I was money wise because of the economic mess, but things are starting to pick back up and more importantly I am alot HAPPIER to be back on my own.

In the end, like I said, without knowing you personally it's hard to say which job is the best fit because both sound like they have plenty of perks and benefits. Ultimately it all comes down to what you need to be happy and still make enough money to survive....and only you can make that decision. Good luck either way.
 
I've been welding for close to 40 years and never had a job that paid anywhere near 33.00 per hour.I guess it all comes down to whether you want to work hard for a living or set on your arse and ride around in a company car and BS to people. Some people are salesman, some are not.Some people could sell an Eskimo an ice box and some can't. Personally I'd take the welding job, I'm not a salesman. I let my work speak for itself. I couldn't take much pride selling someone something they didn't want or need.
 
When I was in my late 20's I had to make a similar decision. I changed jobs in my mid 20's from a Certified Auto Mechanic to a lower paying job in a Tool&Die shop, to complete an apprentiace program.
At the end of my apprentiace training, I was making more money then as a CM.
I applied for a Machinist job at Reynolds Aluminum.
My biggest reasons for the job change was RETIREMENT, Job Benefits and Job Security.
I retired from Reynolds after 32 years and now draw a good Retirement.
This was the only job I ever had that had a Retirement Plan. If I had not made the decision to accept this job, I guess I would be drawing a SS check and spending what I might have saved.
Good Luck with your decision--Just think what your job will offer after Retirement :D
 
It's inside sales and there are 4 other sales people as well. It's a busy store which is good. I like to keep busy. They have lots of technical support as well as their own welder training/research facility. I would imagine they have a pension plan as well. The welding job is an afternoon shift 3:30 to 2 am Mon to Thur. Right now the economy is pretty good here and picking up but if it tanks, it usually affects all manufacturing.
 
be a tough call for me, moneys good but counter sales just wouldnt be my thing,I d probably be mad all the time at someone.
 
And you're basing your opinion of me on what? That I don't beat around the bush and tell people the way it is in the real world on an internet forum. I've never been fired from a job. I've had some crappy jobs/supervisors and got fed up and quit. That's I why I was more selective where I applied this time. I highly doubt I'd get job offers at large established companies if they weren't impressed with my resume, experience and the interview itself. Especially $33/hr in a highly competitive job market. Do you have any idea how many welders there are in Alberta? Everybody and their dog is a welder. I got a job at one place that had a stack of resume's 2 inches thick. I didn't even have a current pressure ticket for that job. The foreman liked me and said if I renew my pressure ticket I'd have a job. Do think he hired me because I have a personality problem? There were plenty of way more experienced pressure welders that applied.

I know something about sales. My dad was in sales and had the highest market share in Canada, close to 90%. He set many world wide sales records and was the factory appointed sales rep for the biggest manufactures of commercial turf equipment. Why was he so successful? He knew his product, knew his customers and would sell them the best machine for the job they wanted to do. He wouldn't sell them a cheap machine just to get a sale. He also wouldn't sell them the most expensive machine to get a sale. He would sell them the best machine for the job they had and go out of his way to help his customers in any way he could. He would get up at 4am to make sure a customer had a spare greensmower for a big tournament.

If a farmer came in to buy some 6011, I'd sell him some 6011. If the farmer said he'd like to use 7018 but was having a lot of trouble with it, I'd ask him what kind of machine he had and if he'd ever considered upgrading to a DC machine.

The last few years on here have taught me that some people don't like to hear the truth and would rather argue and try to cause trouble. A cast iron/cast steel argument is a pretty recent example, actually the same argument is a pretty old example as well. Who started those arguments? Who was wrong and got bent out of shape the most? Before you try and analyze my personality, perhaps you should anaylize your own personality first?
 
just I aint a "people person" as they say.It takes sort of a special person to work counter sales day after day and i'm not one.I get aggrivated just standing in line behind one of those guys who dont know what they need to begin with, and have no clue as to how to use it when they do get it!.I just plain never had the patience to work counter sales.I know i would get tired real quick of trying to decipher what a guy needed and then exlaining how to install or use the stuff i sold him.
AND by the way I never said one single word about any opinion of you personally,,I have no doubt your good at what you do. good greif ,if your that touchy here what are you going to do when some irate customer gives you a cussing for not having what he needs or it doesnt work like he THINKS it should?like i say I couldnt do it myself,if you can more power to you!
 
I was responding to Trucker on classic view not you jackinok. I was just trying to say that you can't judge a person by what they type on an anonymous internet forum. I'm pretty easy to get along with in person. Someone tries to call me out on an internet forum though, I won't roll over and play dead.
 
That's for a journeyman welder with a $3/hr shift differential for afternoon shift, non union. Union pressure welders in the field get $46/hr! Hard to get into the union though and if the economy goes in the crapper, lots of welders laid off looking for work. That's the biggest problem when the majority of work is in one industry, oilfield. A couple years ago it wasn't uncommon for big oilfield fab shops to lay off over a hundred welders at a time.
 
UhHuh.Yeah,you asked for an opinion,I gave you one and you seem offended.I just told you how I see it having argued plenty with you.
I still say you would be better off welding as trying to sell stuff,but do whatever.Also I dont believe you have never been fired.I guess maybe you quit all those jobs? Well if you dont like the job,quit I guess.Im sure there can be some bad places to work ,Ive seen some myself.However you work your way up,which you seem to be trying to do.Nothing wrong with that.However when you step up,that means you step up.Going from a 24 dollar an hour welder to a 33 dollar an hour welder,Im sure they will expect a lot more out of you.Can you hack it? Are you a 33 dollar an hour welder?Could you ever get in the union?
Just what would a 33 dollar an hour welder do? Are you just a run of the mill type guy,just do no more than they ask,or do you put in a little more effort than the other guy?So you impressed some to where they hired you,but what happened after that?Are you out of work now?33 dollars an hour is a lot.It has to be dangerous or something and they have to have production to pay that good.It just seems like you dont want to tell very much of the story.It seems like you are out of work a lot.
Now in a good economy,workers who work good,have a job.Just like when you try and find help in a good economy,all the good workers have a job,so you have to train some young person and hope they stick with you,or put up with some guy that is marginal at best,and try and get along.Is that you?A marginal worker? Or sometimes its just the luck of the draw.They cant hire everybody,so some good guys may get left out,and they will usually move somewhere else where they are needed.
Now did you notice how I ignored your remarks and still had a conversation with you?Somehow I dont think you have it in you to be a salesman,but I could be wrong.Your personality on the Internet,if anything like you are in life,is not working very well for you.Somehow I dont think you have everything as rosy as you try to say.From what I know about it,when they pay you big money they demand you produce,if that means they have somebody over you watching the clock on you all day,thats what they will do.So you need to work smart and stay working.They will frown on you standing around at 33 dollars an hour Im sure.
 
Stick Weld, based on reading this post, I'd take the sales job with regular hours. I worded shift work for years, it's hard on the body, irregular sleeping, and eating, it's a young man's game. The sales job may pay less but like you said there's room for advancement. It's obvious you have a load of welding experience and that's very important in sales. Good luck in whatever you chose.

Harvey
 
I didn't really ask for an opinion. I just stated I had a dilemna. I did quit a couple jobs, got laid off from few and have had at least 3 where the company was either sold or went out of business.

$30/hr is about the norm for Journeyman welders here. Some make close to $40/hr and some cheap places only pay $26/hr. This position pays $3/hr more because it is an afternoon shift. When the economy is good up here, companies have to up their wages in order to keep good employees and also hire new employee's. When the economy is bad, employers can pick and choose. When the economy is booming, employee's can pick and choose. The job would entail fitting and welding heavy equipment attachments like buckets and rippers and thumbs and clamps etc. Lots of heavy steel welding. Burning lots of flux-core in the process. Most companies value quality work over fast work but still want the job done in a timely manner. Going fast and having repairs is slower in the long run. They want a happy medium. There's always going to be others that are faster or slower than you are. There's very few people than can do the highest quality work at the fastest pace. I've never had any complaints about the quality of my welding. I've had a few X-ray's fail but anybody that's ever done pressure work has the odd failure. It's when you have more than about a 10% failure rate they aren't happy. Certain jobs want you to have less than a 5% failure rate and offer bonus's for no failures or if you weld more than say 60 inches in a day. 60 inches refers to adding up the diameters of all the pipe you do, not just 60 inches of weld. It's a lot easier on bigger diameter pipe to do 60 inches than if you were doing all 2 inch heavy wall pipe. Two 2" pipes would count as 4 inches where two 8" pipes would count as 16 inches. You can use bigger rods and go a longer distance between tacks on your root pass with bigger diameter pipe.

You didn't exactly ignore my remarks. You posted a more civilized response instead of one of your more common ramblings. You've even said in the past that you like argue. I'm guessing that you realized your internet personality hasn't worked very well for you. You're good for a while but than go back to your old ways. It's still a start though.
 
Thanks Harvey3! They wanted someone with a welding background for the sales position. I think they were worried that I might want the same wage as I could get welding or that I would go back to welding if the right job came up. I like welding but it is hard on the body.
 
I'd ask if he ever tried a quality AC7018 rod, you're more likely to sell that to him than a DC welder.
 
Uh huh.That is some hard,hard work,running that heavy flux core.Laid off is real close to fired.They just didnt holler at you and maybe throw a fit,they just let you go,and they probably figured they were going to let you go when you started would be my guess.Trouble is you dont know what they are thinking.You cant count on a full time job it sounds like,welding,so maybe the sales,if you can count on it, might be better.
I dont get how you would figure 60 inches by the way you say.Where I welded at we ran a 50 pound box of 7018 a night.What does 60 inches compare to that?I know a 50 pound box of rods will go way farther than 60 inches.Maybe 60 feet.Maybe more.
Keep your advice,Ill never pay any attention to it anyway.Ive never changed one bit from the first time I talked to you until now.Plus some guy on the internet in Canada who thinks he knows everything is not going to change my opinion whatsoever.You obviously wanted opinions or you wouldnt have asked which job would be best.
I would say that you are stuck in some kind of situation where you maybe havent had the good pay,maybe didnt have the experience,or something has been holding you back,and now maybe you are lucky enough to get your turn at the big money,and are probably afraid you cant hack it.Plus you might not be able to either.If its as hot up there as it is here you might not hack it either because that heavy flux core gets real hot.You would earn that 33 dollars an hour if you can hack it.Now Im leaning towards the sales.It would be different if you were just running 7018 or MIG or TIG or something.That heavy flux core is hard on your body.The fitting is a plus however.At least it wouldnt be full time welding.
I believe if it was me,I would watch the guy who sells the most,see what he does,and try to do a lot of what he does.Kind of be like monkey see,monkey do for a while.I wouldnt worry too much about the past and your dad and all of that.My dad did things that if I lived to be a thousand years old I would probably never do,and Ive done things I know he would never have done,so that doesnt mean a whole lot.In fact,a lot of companies that I know of have gone away once the dad died and the son took over.Somehow its just not the same person,and even though they tried real hard,they just didnt have it in them.Who knows you may beat his record too for that matter.Of course one thing is for sure,you will have to try to find out,and it might take you years to get anywhere.Best get started.
 
Uh huh.That is some hard,hard work,running that heavy flux core.Laid off is real close to fired.They just didnt holler at you and maybe throw a fit,they just let you go,and they probably figured they were going to let you go when you started would be my guess.Trouble is you dont know what they are thinking.You cant count on a full time job it sounds like,welding,so maybe the sales,if you can count on it, might be better.
I dont get how you would figure 60 inches by the way you say.Where I welded at we ran a 50 pound box of 7018 a night.What does 60 inches compare to that?I know a 50 pound box of rods will go way farther than 60 inches.Maybe 60 feet.Maybe more.
Keep your advice,Ill never pay any attention to it anyway.Ive never changed one bit from the first time I talked to you until now.Plus some guy on the internet in Canada who thinks he knows everything is not going to change my opinion whatsoever.You obviously wanted opinions or you wouldnt have asked which job would be best.
I would say that you are stuck in some kind of situation where you maybe havent had the good pay,maybe didnt have the experience,or something has been holding you back,and now maybe you are lucky enough to get your turn at the big money,and are probably afraid you cant hack it.Plus you might not be able to either.If its as hot up there as it is here you might not hack it either because that heavy flux core gets real hot.You would earn that 33 dollars an hour if you can hack it.Now Im leaning towards the sales.It would be different if you were just running 7018 or MIG or TIG or something.That heavy flux core is hard on your body.The fitting is a plus however.At least it wouldnt be full time welding.
I believe if it was me,I would watch the guy who sells the most,see what he does,and try to do a lot of what he does.Kind of be like monkey see,monkey do for a while.I wouldnt worry too much about the past and your dad and all of that.My dad did things that if I lived to be a thousand years old I would probably never do,and Ive done things I know he would never have done,so that doesnt mean a whole lot.In fact,a lot of companies that I know of have gone away once the dad died and the son took over.Somehow its just not the same person,and even though they tried real hard,they just didnt have it in them.Who knows you may beat his record too for that matter.Of course one thing is for sure,you will have to try to find out,and it might take you years to get anywhere.Best get started.
 
7018AC has been around for over 2 decades. I would ask him first what kind of 7018 he tried. The welding supply sells the best 7018 on the market, AC or otherwise. There can be a big difference but I think most people would have tried the 7018AC if they were having problems. I still think that if a lot of people tried a DC machine, they'd be amazed at how much difference it made.
 
The biggest industry in Alberta by a long shot is oil and gas. It is pretty much boom or bust. The price of oil goes down and big projects will instantly be put on hold or cancelled. There were billion dollar oilsands upgraders put on hold a couple years ago. Do you have any idea how many jobs are effected by a billion dollar project? This causes massive industry wide lay offs. Some companies will hire extra workers and a month later lay them off with no notice what so ever. That's not even close to being fired. A company doesn't hire you because they plan on firing you in short order. That's the most absurd thing I've ever read!

You've obviously never done any pipe welding. That is how it is measured. 60 inches is kind of the bench mark. If you can do more than that, the company will be happy. Doing 30 2" pipe welds takes a lot longer than doing 10 6" pipe welds. This is root, fill and cap passes. X-Ray pipe welding doesn't compare to general structural welding.

Where did ask for an opinion? I said I have a dilemna as in tough decision. Pretty much everyone but you understood the situation. The welding job pays more but it's an afternoon shift. Like Harvey3 said, an afternoon shift can be brutal over a period of time. It's not easy to get enough sleep during the day or eat regular meals and your whole schedule is thrown off kilter. I'm sure I could do the job. I also know that I'd be pretty darn sore and tired at the end of a 10 hour shift. I'm not 25 years old anymore.

I've made good money before. I was making $24/hr as a pressure welder in 1997. A few years ago I was making $28/hr as just a journeyman.

My dad was an excellent salesman. I only mentioned him because I knew how hard he worked at keeping his customers. The company was looking for someone with a welding background. I'm guessing because it's a lot easier to train someone in sales than it is to teach someone about all the aspects of welding. I don't think they want to hire a monkey who just watches what someone else does. If I take the position, I plan on being the best inside salesman. I'll certainly try to learn as much as I can from everyone else that works there. I've also been a customer in this store several times and haven't had the best service. I think being a welder and customer gives me a big advantage. I know what I expect as a welding supply customer. Having 4 people sitting at their desk trying not to notice you and hoping another person serves you isn't very good customer service. Being told something will cost $28 and when you go to pay, the bill is for $37 isn't good customer service. Having someone talking on the phone and purposely turning their back to you is not good customer service. Having to wait 5 minutes to get a price on a common off the shelf item isn't good customer service. I experienced all these things at the welding supply I've applied to. I think there's lots of room for improvement and they could be very impressed with my efforts.
 
I dunno... I'm sure you can do the welding job fine and no doubt have great product knowledge on the supply end...but you should really ask yourself if you want to deal with john q. public every day.
I'm not trying to flame you... but unless you have a side to your personality that we don't see here daily then I'd wonder how well you'd do in sales? If what we see here is just a bombastic side to your personality that you turn off when needed then you'll probably do fine. But you know yourself by the number of people here who are glad to take a dig at you any chance they get... by proportion... that's not a great position to be in when trying to sell something.
I'll also be the first to admit that I would NOT do well in a sales position.... probably for many of the same reasons that I wonder about you in that role...
On the other hand if you like dealing with people daily and don't mind biting your tounge to make the sale, then go for it. It's certainly going to be a lot less physical than burning rod all day long and if you've got the personality for sales I'm sure you can do really well at it too.

Rod
 
Rod, I don't think I'd be very good in general sales but back in the early 90's I worked at another big welding supply for a few month's and liked it. The first weekend I worked I sold a $1600 TIG welder. I was recovering after being in the hospital and the Dr. said I shouldn't go back to welding right away. Welding is my expertise and I can talk to anyone from a totally green beginner to someone with Puddles experience on the same level. I found in the past that customers at welding supplies usually come there because they want to deal with someone that knows what they're talking about rather than going to a box store and getting the deer in the headlights look. I've gone into welding supplies before and got the deer in the headlights look when I've asked about something.

I've had a lot of people on here appreciatate my advice and also ask for my opinion. That's a big compliment. I can have a discussion with people like you and even if we don't agree, we're not calling each other out. Puddles is by far the most experienced welder on here and I get along great with him. The same thing with Lanse. I've tried to give sound advice and explain things in plain english so people can understand it. I've also been complimented for that. Then someone comes along and tries to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about or makes some sarcastic comment. I'm sure if we were all in a room, you wouldn't get that. On an internet forum pretty much anything goes and anyone can be an expert. When I'm trying to give advice and get some sarcastic comment or someone that has no clue tells me I don't know what I'm talking about, I take exception to that. There's a few people that are just looking for my posts so they can flame me. They don't offer any advice to the poster, they just want to stir the pot. I don't think anyone would want to put up with that and that's why several knowledgeable people have left this forum. I'm confident in my welding knowledge and abilities but will also admit if there's something I don't know. It's impossible for anyone to know all there is about welding.

You don't normally get offered a high paying job on the spot if you're not a likable person with some credentials, do you? Even for the sales job, isn't an interview basically selling yourself? It's hard to turn down the big money but welding is heavy hard work and the afternoon shift takes a toll as well. Regular Mon. to Fri. hours and job stabilty in the long run is something to really consider. That's why it's such a tough decision. They did say there is lots of room for advancement at the welding supply but I have to realize it won't happen overnight.
 
I never thought that I could work in sales when I graduated from college, but I tried it and liked it.

The sales job may lead to a job with a manufacturer of welders or welding supplies, where most of your sales contacts would be dealers and distributors.

Think about it.
 
Take the job that you like the best and that will offer the most security. I made a similar chioce a few years ago to take a little less money but for a job I had been wanting for years and didn't regret the pay cut one bit. Mind you there were other factors involved, I was working in the pipe union so there is a lot more travel involved, unlike Alberta we don't have the large oilfield jobs located in one area so you travel quite a bit from one job to the next. Usualy a plant retrofit or new plant/building construction. Also it is rare for those jobs to last more then a few months, if you are on one jobsite for a year or more it is very rare and that usually only happens on major construction sites eg large palnts/hospitals. I did stay with in the pipe welding field but took a comapny job with a natural gas pipeline distribution company. Company jobs pay less then the contractor union jobs but offer a lot more security plus I really injoy the work a lot more.
 
Much like the topic of welding cast iron you are again talking about something you don't know anything about. In Canada we have a higher tax rate then in the US so all jobs pay more an hour you are comparing apples and oranges. Where I am the minimum wage is over $10 an hour so no one execpt students working at McDonalds make less then that. In Alberta where stick welder is working there is a lot of compation for welding jobs and like he says union welders in the same feild are makeing over $40 an hour and with benifits, taxes, and pension are costing the companies over $60 an hour and that is for the man only the comapny supplies the tools material and equiptment. Average for welding in Alberta is $28/35 an hour so $33/hr is just middle of the road for them.
 
No matter what good luck to you.....

I spent 17 years with GM as a journeyman pipefitter. When my plant closed, I would NOT sell our small farm and move for GM. So, after 3 months of post GM no job, I got a job as a mechanic/welder for a cheese factory. It WAS the worst job of my life, a-hole to work for, boss didn"t care about basic building codes, and low pay.---Started that job at $15.69 an hour, plus an hour drive to get to work.

A month ago a local food plant down the road was looking for a mechanic. I sent the resume and got a job that pays close to GM and is 5 miles from home.

My point is that, I say, try the sales job! It will be great for your resume. The cheese factory job while sucking bad gave me extra experience. You will never forget how to weld, you may get a little rusty though. I love talking to salesmen that have had hands on experience.
 
Pipe welder, you have a very good understanding of what I'm talking about. I guess it is a tough decision considering some poster think the sales job is the better option and others think the welding job is the better option.
 

I think it boils down to personalities. The trick to ones working career is find a job that fits your personality. If not, you'll never be happy with your job.
If I had to work with the public, I'd be in jail before the end of the first week! I was always happiest working with a small hand picked crew, on a derrick out in the middle of a bay where no one could get to us without a skiff. Worst thing that ever happened to me was being forced into management, and working in a job site office. I'd rather stick something sharp in my eye than ever do that again!
 
A lot of it has to do with who you're working with. Any shop I've ever worked in always had at least one brown noser/trouble maker. When you work with guys that are on the same wave length is great. I've worked with some new apprentices to teach/show them how to do things and they figured they knew it all and were going to show me up. Unfortunately for them, their attempts at doing short cuts wouldn't work. I've worked with other welders that thought it was a big race. One in particular thought he was the cats meow because he finished ahead of everyone else. Then he'd stand there with his head in the clouds like he was getting tired of waiting for the other welders to finish. When the blueprint calls for a 3 pass 7018 fillet(1 pass covered by 2)and you skip the first pass, yeah, you're going to finish sooner, especially when your welding 12 and 14 inch I-beams. When 3 welders all have a similar sized section of skid to weld and 1 finishes 20 minutes or so faster than the other 2, is pretty suspect. We had another welder in the shop (secretly) watch this guy to see how he was finishing so fast. He wasn't burning nearly as many rods.

At one place I applied a little while ago they were really pushing me about if I prefered to work with others or by myself. I said it depends a lot on who I'm working with. I said I enjoy working with others and but I'd rather work alone than with work back stabbers with their own agenda. I think it's all about respect for your fellow workers. I think I'd get along great working with you Puddles cause I could learn a lot. I also think I'd get along great working with Lanse because he is very ambitous and wants to learn. Working with someone like trucker would probably be worse than having the worlds biggest hemorrhoid because he wouldn't listen to reason.
 
Super dave i can tell you one thing with all the whining you do, at some of the jobs i've worked at someone would have kilt you. thats right some pretty darned tough boiler makers would not have put up with you. you come on here with your little bird with a broken wing routine and then always end up with the name calling. if i recall correctly no long ago you came up with the same boo hoo routine about which job to take, it seems that there was a sales job that time also what happened to that job???then like now at lot of people gave you advice and what did you do quit that job also? your problem is you look down your nose at a lot of people and you are not in a position to do that.a prospective employer asks you a question about working alone or with someone instead of a straight forward answer, nooooo you got to take the long way around.i think that your attitude, the minute you walk in for an interview is a giveaway,these people in supervisory positions are not there because they are stupid they know and all they have to do is ask a simple question like working alone or by yourself and they get all the feedback they want..seems a shame having all your qualifications and for the last couple of years you have continually been looking for work doesn't that strike you as a little odd? but yet you have the gall to belittle someone else. you need to take the time super dave and mature a little bit there is no real job decision here. the real decision is FIND a job, DO your job, and stick with it,and keep your yapp shut and stop whining. another thing you have this idea that where you work you want a hand picked crew to work with , it doesn't work that way you have to work with whoever is there it has been that way forever. if you want a hand picked crew start your own buisiness then you'll have other things to groan about. i hope you find your perfect world.
 
Well there you go again.I knew you would,but I just didnt know when.I have worked with jerks like you.You know what,unless your name is on my paycheck,I dont need your advise.Also everywhere I ever worked,I had lots of friends. I doubt you can get along with anybody,including Puddles, because you are so sick.You take all that crap you put out way too serious.Im sure you believe your crap,but its just that,crap.
You can try from now until the end of time and you will never put anything over on me.
You are a prime example of somebody who is a waste of time.It sure seems to me that if you were all as good as you claim you would have a job.
Ive had 2 other carreers since I welded for a living.I had 3 jobs spanning 12 years as a Mechanic and 4 jobs spanning 15 years as a trucker.I had 3 major jobs as a welder in 4 years and the last one was for 3 years.I have some friends who I still work for now and then many years later. How many welding jobs have you had?Plus I didnt go to welding school or any of the crap you brag about.
Im just telling you like it is.It doesnt matter how many schools you went to,or how much you think you know,or any of that crap,you have to be able to get along with people,and that is where you seem to be failing.I didnt have that problem.So your best bet is probably to go see a psychiatrist and try and see why you cant get along with people and maybe if you figure that out you might be able to keep a job.
 
If any of the companies you worked as welder were that impressed they would have sent you for some kind of schooling. Welding is a lot more than just picking up the stinger and burning rods. You seem to be very bitter that you never got a chance to become a true welder. I get along great with co-workers although just about every shop will have at least one brown noser who tries to get ahead by reporting other workers "so called misgivings" to a supervisor. A good supervisor will ignore these kind of people and tell them to mind their own business and get back to work. Unfortunately, some supervisors thrive on these brown nosers.

I was working on my own after leaving a couple less than desirable jobs. Now with the constant rain we've been having, I can't make enough money on my land so I applied to a few select jobs. I now have 2 job offers to choose from. One is a welding job with great pay that requires a Red Seal Journeyman ticket and the other is with a large welding supply. Do you really think I would get offered these positions if all I knew was crap and had no experience? When's the last time you were offered $33+/hr?

90% of the welding in Alberta is oilfield related. It really is boom or bust. I've worked for at least 3 good companies that went into receivership. I've had jobs where one week you're working 12 hour shifts and the next you get laid off. Most companies won't tell you the job will only be short term because they need workers NOW. I started my apprenticeship right out of high school in 1981. Half way through 1982 the Nisku Industrial Park was a ghost town with hundreds of oilfield machine and welding shops going out of business. Then all of a sudden there are thousands of welders competing for the very few jobs that still exist. This is a cycle that tends to repeat itself from time to time. Here's a short clip on Nisku: You can google it if you want more info.

Nisku Business Park

Nisku Business Park was established in the 1970s. It immediately became a booming centre and was reputed as being the world’s largest energy park. The National Energy Program of the early 1980s and the accompanying drop in oil prices, however, brought a severe economic downturn in the development of Nisku Business Park, which at the time was comprised mainly of oil and gas companies and related industries...
 
I decided I should be more selective in my job search and not apply at some place no ones ever heard off. Contrary to what you think, why do think I was often assigned to work with apprentices, because I'm hard to get along with and don't know what I'm doing? Believe it or not there are some very poorly managed companies out there as well as some very well managed companies. Some supervisors/bosses really are stupid.

The welding job I quit last November has advertised for multiple welders at least 3 times since I quit and they hired a whole whack of welders back then. My bet would be that with the economy picking up, more welders got fed up working there. When you have 12 or 13 welders and only 8 welding machines(only 2 stick machines) and the boss is complaining he has to turn down work because things are taking too long, it's pretty hard not get frustrated. There's not enough power in the shop to be able to add any more machines. You need a grinding wheel or a contact tip and you have to ask the foreman so he will get it for you. The same thing with cover plates for your helmet. Some times you get it quick, other times you could be waiting 5 minutes or more. The company is too cheap to purchase some heavier duty or even spare MIG guns so if one craps out you have to steal one from another machine. Then they're down to only 7 machines. Then if you happen to be the poor sole that needs that 8th machine, you have to see if maybe you can get a broken MIG gun to work good enough to use. Then you have to hunt around and try to find a power cord to get the machine where you need it. There's at least 4 broken MIG guns hanging in the tool crib that are beyond repair. There's only one torch with a decent tip but if it's being used, you have to use a tip with plugged up holes it. You need a grinder but they won't purchase any to replace the broken ones. There's 4 broken grinders sitting in the tool crib to go along with the broken MIG guns. They should have called it the broken tool crib. I should have thrown the used grinding wheels in there. They don't order more welding rods until they run out so you can't do your job until the rods come the next day or the day after that. This is all at the same place. Would you really want to work in these conditions? Puddles was bang on with his assesment. Working long hours is fine but working stupid isn't.

I left the job at the mall because of the supervisor above my direct supervisor. You say supervisors aren't stupid. Well if that's the case, how come 3 people were killed on the roller coaster? These so called smart supervisors never bothered to get the German maintenance procedures converted to english. The designer of the roller coaster suffered a heart attack after hearing people had died on his coaster. The coaster now has special one off wheel assemblies so it can't happen again. Funny thing is, there is the exact same coaster in Las Vegas and there's never been a problem with the original wheel assemblies.

You want some more examples of why I've left jobs? I don't think anybody likes working with back stabbers or unstable employee's. That's why I said it depends when asked. Have you been following truckers posts over the last few years? He's the one doing the name calling. Truckers posts have been described by others as worse than fingernails on a chalk board. Regardless of that, you weren't even involved in the conversation. You seem bent on trying to discredit me but have no idea at all about who I am, what I've done or what my qualifications and experience are. I guess a couple employers were impressed enough though.
 
I got tired of my last job.I figured if I was going to be poor it should be my fault.Built my own shop and never looked back.
 
Hey davey Boy,

Any time sombody tells you the truth you start crying. So just admit you are a cry baby who can"t hold a job becouse of your attitude.

Why not go inspect some more bridges and then you can whine about them. If you were as good as you think you would not be looking for a job.

The truth knone you pobaby could not pour ppss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel in capital letters.

Have a nice day whinnnnnnner.
 
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