John Deere 813 plow

[Oldgreenpaint]

Well, I went and got it today. Mark-la you are correct. I am guessing that the whole thing is somewhere between 1000 and 1200 pounds. It just barely fit in the trailer that was 52 inches wide by 96 inches long. Trailer handled the weight well.

Pretty sure it is an 813 John Deere integral plow. 3-14” so should be about the right size for my JD 60.

Told the forklift operator to not scratch the paint, ha ha. I was happy that it included the Mast Head coupler.

Think it will get the sandblast and new paint routine. Will be a while till I get to it. Next winter project I suspect.

 

[MikeinKy]

It totally depends on what kind of ground you have. In my red clay soil you could not easily pull a 3-14 plow with a JD 60. But a relative of mine pulled a JD 4-14 plow with a JD 60 in sandy soil back in the 60s when I was in HS. In my land it takes my JD 830 to pull a 4-14 plow. I will look in my JD plow parts books tonight to see if a JD 410 3-14 plow might have the shorter handle. If I remember right, a JD 410 plow replaced the 813 plow when the JD 620s came out. I believe the only major difference between an 813 and 410 3-bottom is that the bar holding the 1st coulter is about 6 inches shorter. I think this was done because the 1st coulter on the 813 would hit the hydraulic valves on the 620 tractor. But I believe you could cut off about 6 inches on the 813 plow to make it work on a 620. Texas Jim might know more about the differences between the two plows. Al

810 replaced the 812 and 813 Never heard of a 410. I have an 812 2 bottom for my 60.

 

[MikeinKy]

810 replaced the 812 and 813 Never heard of a 410. I have an 812 2 bottom for my 60.

My uncle bought a new 620 with an 810 three bottom. My uncle bought my 812 and a new 50 in 1955

 

[MikeinKy]

I looked up in parts book the plows we have. First of all, I said the plow similar to the 813 was a 410. It is a an 810A or 810B. Both the 813 and 810 plows use the same parts book. When I last looked at the parts book about 20 years ago, I had made a note that my plow is a 3-14 810A. Only difference I can find in the parts book is that the 813 has the longer bar for the 1st coulter and the 810A has a shorter bar. Mine has the shorter bar. Also, both plows have the same length handles. So it looks like someone must have put a shorter handle on yours. Also from the parts book it seems the 813 was made up through 1954 and 810 series after 1954. Not sure when the 620s came out, but must have been in 1955 or 1956.

Attached are a couple of pictures of my JD 830 and my JD 4-14 66 plow. AlView attachment 65903View attachment 65904

The first 620's were built in late 1956 and sold as 1957 models

 

[MikeinKy]

You may want to measure the hitch pins, they should be 1 and 1/8 for the 50, 60 ,and 70 (cat 2 three point hitch). They would be 7/8 inch for the cat 1 3 pt hitch on the Dubuque tractors.

The 3 bottom for the cat 1 tractors, I think, were 416 and the 2 bottom I think, were a 415. I also have a 2 bottom 45 that I plow my garden with

 

[Tx Jim]

My understanding is 8110 & 810A are the plow series & models are 812/813 & 814 with last representing number representing number of the bottoms

 

[MikeinKy]

Correct I'm old enough to remember back then. My 812 is exactly the way it was new, except for the rust. In about 58 or 59 dadbought a new 415 and used it a long time. It was originally used on a 420 then a 1010. Now it is on my 2510. I remember the 800 hitches being an 800 in the beginning then for about a year, I think then a 800 A then the 801. I believe the 801 had some kind of mechanical depth control and also a land wheel. I think my land wheel is rubber. I have seen steel ones too. I think I have 3 or 4 of the center link adapters. I have two different types, I think. I didnt know there was so many until today. I was brain washed growing up that every farmer wanted John Deere, the ones who couldn't afford them, had to get by with something else.

 

[AJB-830]

Correct I'm old enough to remember back then. My 812 is exactly the way it was new, except for the rust. In about 58 or 59 dadbought a new 415 and used it a long time. It was originally used on a 420 then a 1010. Now it is on my 2510. I remember the 800 hitches being an 800 in the beginning then for about a year, I think then a 800 A then the 801. I believe the 801 had some kind of mechanical depth control and also a land wheel. I think my land wheel is rubber. I have seen steel ones too. I think I have 3 or 4 of the center link adapters. I have two different types, I think. I didnt know there was so many until today. I was brain washed growing up that every farmer wanted John Deere, the ones who couldn't afford them, had to get by with something else.

I think the major difference between the 800 and 801 hitch was that the 800 had a crank to level the right side 3 PT arm. On the 801 they made each 3 PT arm adjustable. Also the 801 might have had a slightly different mounting system to give it some traction control. I don't think either hitch had any depth control as that was done with gauge wheel on the plow. I have the 800A hitch on my JD 70.

Also, I believe the only difference between the 813 plow and the 810 3-bottom plow is that the bar that mounts the 1st coulter is about 6 inches shorter. I thought I had an 813 plow, but after studying the 813/810 plow parts manual, I found mine has the shorter bar. So it technically is an 810 3-bottom. I think each bar had a different part number. I was told the shorter bar was needed because the longer one interfered with the 2nd remote hydraulic box on the 620/630 tractors. My JD dealer many years ago said you could just the cut the bar shorter on the 813 if you had a 620/630 tractor with a the 2nd remote box. That's what I remember about my 810 (813) plow that I still have. Al

 

[MikeinKy]

That sounds right. I'm not sure but I thought they dropped the crank with the 800A.

 

[AJB-830]

That sounds right. I'm not sure but I thought they dropped the crank with the 800A.

You are correct. I just looked at my 800/801 parts book and the crank was removed on the 800A and replaced with the adjustable arms. I have the 800 hitch on my JD 70 with the crank. Al

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

I notice some interesting things regarding hitch and plow. The coupling pins on the 813 plow,appear to be Cat one, while my hitch eyes are Cat 2. Strange that JD would make something like that, when the plow seems specific to the 60 or 70 tractor, as is the 801 hitch?

Plow pins are .876”

Hitch on my 60.

Cat 2 pins on my Woods rear blade are bigger than the plow. I would say that I will need sleeves to go over the plow pins.

 

[MikeinKy]

Plow has probably been modified. As far as I kinow all 800 series plows were cat 2. I have a neighbor that turned his 812 down for hie Massey tractor

 

[AJB-830]

I notice some interesting things regarding hitch and plow. The coupling pins on the 813 plow,appear to be Cat one, while my hitch eyes are Cat 2. Strange that JD would make something like that, when the plow seems specific to the 60 or 70 tractor, as is the 801 hitch?



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Plow pins are .876”

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Hitch on my 60.

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Cat 2 pins on my Woods rear blade are bigger than the plow. I would say that I will need sleeves to go over the plow pins.

I believe I had to use a set of sleeves when I had my plow on my JD 70. The sleeves are still wired on the plow. I also had it hooked to some new JDs like a 6230 so I will have to measure if it was the 70 that required the sleeves too. Will reply once I get over to my hobby farm. If that picture is your JD 60, that is an 800 hitch with the crank just like on my JD 70. Al

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

Thanks Al and Mike. I’ll take some yellow paint and put 800 on the hitch so I don’t keep confusing myself and others . I will look closer at the pins and see if I can see evidence of modification.

 

[AJB-830]

Thanks Al and Mike. I’ll take some yellow paint and put 800 on the hitch so I don’t keep confusing myself and others . I will look closer at the pins and see if I can see evidence of modification.

I checked my 813 plow this afternoon. And it must be a Cat 2 as the pins are the correct size to fit the arms on my JD 70 with 800 hitch. I did have some sleeves, but it looks like they are Cat 2 to Cat 3. I must have used them when I had the plow mounted on my JD 6110R, which is Cat 3, to move it. I also looked in my 810/813 parts book and it doesn't show any options for Cat 1 or Cat 2. So not sure why your 813 is just a Cat 1. Al

 

[Tx Jim]

Bar hitch for 800 series moldboard plow has more than 2 different part #s indicating there was a Cat l & Cat ll bar. Part # AA10809 & DA6207A but it doesn't state 3 pt pin size

 

[AJB-830]

Bar hitch for 800 series moldboard plow has more than 2 different part #s indicating there was a Cat l & Cat ll bar. Part # AA10809 & DA6207A but it doesn't state 3 pt pin size

I saw that in my parts book too. But the 3 different bars seem to be related to the year built. First one is 1954, then next one is 1954-1955, and the last one is just 1955. You can see that the last two have different mounting plates for the adjustment handle, But you are correct, there is no mention of the Cat number. But on the page it does say "For JD 800 Series Hitches" which is Cat 2. Al

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

I scaled the plow and found that it weighed 940 pounds, with a masthead in place. Al, if you want yours back, pm me and we will work it out. Otherwise, I’ll sell it to someone that needs it for what it cost me. Learning more about this, looks like I need some ballast weights on front of tractor. I’ll probably cook up some of my own, as these are not easy to find either. I have not found a weight value, but just seat of the pants makes me think somewhere around 200 pounds would be the number?

 

[AJB-830]

I scaled the plow and found that it weighed 940 pounds, with a masthead in place. Al, if you want yours back, pm me and we will work it out. Otherwise, I’ll sell it to someone that needs it for what it cost me. Learning more about this, looks like I need some ballast weights on front of tractor. I’ll probably cook up some of my own, as these are not easy to find either. I have not found a weight value, but just seat of the pants makes me think somewhere around 200 pounds would be the number?

I sent you a PM this evening on the 813 plow. Al