John Deere 813 plow

[Oldgreenpaint]

I have my grandfathers JD 60 with the 801 hitch. I believe the proper semi mounted plow would be an 813, with a gauge wheel. So I have been looking. They are hard to find. I think I may have located one. Anyone with knowledge please review pics and tell me if I have the right thing here? Also any comments regarding what you see in the pics. Looks like it is missing the horsehead and they are hard to find.
Also looks like landing lever is short?

 

[AJB-830]

Yes, I believe that is a JD 813 plow. I have the same exact 3-14 plow with the same steel gauge wheel and steel rear wheel. If you want I can post you a few pictures. I used it with my JD 70 with an 801 hitch. The landing lever appears to be the same length as on mine. The only thing I see missing is what the call the "horse head" to connect it to a JD 801 hitch. Al

 

[AJB-830]

I found a couple of pictures when I had the 813 plow on my JD 70. Looking at the landing lever, it does appear that mine is somewhat longer. I also have moldboard extensions and cover boards on mine. But these were options. Hope this helps. Al

 

[Tx Jim]

You're correct in that a model 813 is correct plow for a model 60 tractor. JD model 412 would be another model moldboard built in early 50's. One clarification to your statement is that 813 is classified as integral not semi-mounted. Plows classified a semi-mounted normally do not have 3pt center link attached & are only attached to tractor lower draft links with rear rubber tire in contact with ground 100% of the time.

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

Thanks gentlemen. AJB, you pulled that plow with a 70 which has much more gusto than the 60. I would imagine I would be using 3rd gear. But am concerned about limited power to make this work with the old 60. Any opinions?

I am wondering if the lever was shortened purposely?

 

[AJB-830]

Thanks gentlemen. AJB, you pulled that plow with a 70 which has much more gusto than the 60. I would imagine I would be using 3rd gear. But am concerned about limited power to make this work with the old 60. Any opinions?

I am wondering if the lever was shortened purposel?

It totally depends on what kind of ground you have. In my red clay soil you could not easily pull a 3-14 plow with a JD 60. But a relative of mine pulled a JD 4-14 plow with a JD 60 in sandy soil back in the 60s when I was in HS. In my land it takes my JD 830 to pull a 4-14 plow. I will look in my JD plow parts books tonight to see if a JD 410 3-14 plow might have the shorter handle. If I remember right, a JD 410 plow replaced the 813 plow when the JD 620s came out. I believe the only major difference between an 813 and 410 3-bottom is that the bar holding the 1st coulter is about 6 inches shorter. I think this was done because the 1st coulter on the 813 would hit the hydraulic valves on the 620 tractor. But I believe you could cut off about 6 inches on the 813 plow to make it work on a 620. Texas Jim might know more about the differences between the two plows. Al

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

I live a long a river in Eastern Iowa. So my soils vary all the way from sandy to the thick heavy black deposits from when the river floods. So I’ve got it all. I appreciate the knowledge of you two gentlemen. I thought similar thoughts about that short lever. It must have been too long and conflicting with something on the back of whatever they were using to pull it with. But I know that sometimes these implements find there way to other tractors so that lever could have been modified to fit something else as well. I am curious to know what you find out, thanks again for your help.

I am envious of your 830. We had a 730 that I now Wish we had not sold. That would pull a 5 on our soils.

 

[Tx Jim]

It totally depends on what kind of ground you have. . Texas Jim might know more about the differences between the two plows. Al

I agree type of soils drastically controls plowing depth & widths. Only real experience I have concerning 3pt moldboards is from looking up information on JDparts.com as not many of those type plows were sold at JD dealership where I was employed. I'm much more knowledgeable concerning semi-integral plows.

 

[AJB-830]

I live a long a river in Eastern Iowa. So my soils vary all the way from sandy to the thick heavy black deposits from when the river floods. So I’ve got it all. I appreciate the knowledge of you two gentlemen. I thought similar thoughts about that short lever. It must have been too long and conflicting with something on the back of whatever they were using to pull it with. But I know that sometimes these implements find there way to other tractors so that lever could have been modified to fit something else as well. I am curious to know what you find out, thanks again for your help.

I am envious of your 830. We had a 730 that I now Wish we had not sold. That would pull a 5 on our soils.

I looked up in parts book the plows we have. First of all, I said the plow similar to the 813 was a 410. It is a an 810A or 810B. Both the 813 and 810 plows use the same parts book. When I last looked at the parts book about 20 years ago, I had made a note that my plow is a 3-14 810A. Only difference I can find in the parts book is that the 813 has the longer bar for the 1st coulter and the 810A has a shorter bar. Mine has the shorter bar. Also, both plows have the same length handles. So it looks like someone must have put a shorter handle on yours. Also from the parts book it seems the 813 was made up through 1954 and 810 series after 1954. Not sure when the 620s came out, but must have been in 1955 or 1956.

Attached are a couple of pictures of my JD 830 and my JD 4-14 66 plow. Al

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

To revive this thread I have some additional info.

I was not able to buy the plow I showed in Post 1. I have found another one, that I believe to be an 810 with a gauge wheel. I have a complete 800 hitch that I hope to use, not an 801 as I mistakenly said. The plow I am looking at has no Masthead, that typically attaches to the Evener bar. How was the 810 top hitch attachment made?

Here is a pic of the plow I am looking at.

 

[AJB-830]

To revive this thread I have some additional info.

I was not able to buy the plow I showed in Post 1. I have found another one, that I believe to be an 810 with a gauge wheel. I have a complete 800 hitch that I hope to use, not an 801 as I mistakenly said. The plow I am looking at has no Masthead, that typically attaches to the Evener bar. How was the 810 top hitch attachment made?

Here is a pic of the plow I am looking at.View attachment 72159

 

[AJB-830]

I believe both the 810 and 813 plows use the masthead (some call it a horse head) if used on a JD 50, 60, or 70 with the 800 or 801 hitch. The masthead mounts to the top of the plow with two bolts. The lower bolt goes through the hole where the braces are attached and the top bolt goes through the open hole that would be used for the newer 3 PT hitch JD tractors. The previous owner probably used this plow on a newer 3 PT tractor. Not sure if the masthead came with all these plows or if that was an optional item. It is not used on the 620, 720, 630, and 730 JD tractors. You will need to find one of those mastheads or maybe craft something up. Also, no difference in the 800 and 801 hitches as to the mounting to the evener bar. Al

 

[rmcky]

You may want to measure the hitch pins, they should be 1 and 1/8 for the 50, 60 ,and 70 (cat 2 three point hitch). They would be 7/8 inch for the cat 1 3 pt hitch on the Dubuque tractors.

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

I believe both the 810 and 813 plows use the masthead (some call it a horse head) if used on a JD 50, 60, or 70 with the 800 or 801 hitch. The masthead mounts to the top of the plow with two bolts. The lower bolt goes through the hole where the braces are attached and the top bolt goes through the open hole that would be used for the newer 3 PT hitch JD tractors. The previous owner probably used this plow on a newer 3 PT tractor. Not sure if the masthead came with all these plows or if that was an optional item. It is not used on the 620, 720, 630, and 730 JD tractors. You will need to find one of those mastheads or maybe craft something up. Also, no difference in the 800 and 801 hitches as to the mounting to the evener bar. Al

Thanks Al

The present owner mentioned that he used an Oliver tractor to pull the plow. I asked him about the masthead and he doesn't have it. If I can even find one they are pricy. But nice knowing that I would need it. Finding an integral plow for the 50-60-70 is not an easy thing to do. This plow is 3-16’s which is on the outer limit of my 60. So don’t know if I will jump into it or not?

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

You may want to measure the hitch pins, they should be 1 and 1/8 for the 50, 60 ,and 70 (cat 2 three point hitch). They would be 7/8 inch for the cat 1 3 pt hitch on the Dubuque tractors.

My 800 hitch is a cat 2 hitch. Have used it on the 60 for 45 years to pull a 7’ Woods rear blade. It was my snow removal weapon until I got a cab compact tractor. I am just assuming that the JD plow is also cat 2

 

[Tx Jim]

Depending on soil type I think it would normally require a larger utilty tractor with Cat ll hitch to successfully pull a 3 bottom moldboard. Lower RH draft link pin on 813 plow appears to have Cat l to Cat ll bushing. Horsehead for 2 cyl tractor 800 series 3pt hitch is part # P819A

 

[Oldgreenpaint]

Depending on soil type I think it would normally require a larger utilty tractor with Cat ll hitch to successfully pull a 3 bottom moldboard. Lower RH draft link pin on 813 plow appears to have Cat l to Cat ll bushing. Horsehead for 2 cyl tractor 800 series 3pt hitch is part # P819A

Thanks for the part number. Quick search found none for sale at this time. That is part of my skepticism to buy this plow.