JX 70 Case IH stuff is junk

[RevJJ]

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT BUY CASE IH PRODUCTS. Four years ago, I decided to buy myself a nice, brand new tractor with a loader. I settled on a Case IH JX 70 FWA. For years, I did all my work with fifty year old B,C, and 400 Farmalls; 630 and 70 Poppin' Johnnies; and whatever old tractor I had traded for to sell. Exept for an Allis 7020 for heavy drawbar work, nothing was ever newer than 1958, nothing...and except for minor repairs, no big expense. I bought the JX70 in the fall of the year, and the first day I tried to use it, the three point hitch wouldn't go down, and was loading the hydraulic pump. Had to go into the shop and fix that. I was bailing hay with it the next spring, and the clutch went out, all under warrenty (except for 250 dollar pickup fee)...then, the next summer, the reversing unit crapped out...partial discount, but out of warrenty, still paid a 250 smacker pickup fee. Now, Friday, I was pulling a grain drill and a loud groaning started from the transmission. Case IH in Sherman came and picked it up...for 250 bucks. They tell me that the synchronizers went out and the clutch and throw out bearing are out as well. What kind of charge am I looking at?? About $4250! I have only put about 400 hours on this thing, not a single implement hooked behind it was any different or bigger than I had been pulling with the 400 Farmall and the John Deeres-not a one of them bigger than 49hp. And the JX70 is rated at 65hp. Just don't buy any Turkish made crap from anyone...the New Hollands are made in the same plant. And the dealer isn't giving any relief. If you farm, or ranch or do anything, Pass this On. Don't buy Case IH products

 

[Phil Tibbetts]

Standard operating procedure for the dealers now. I have first hand knowledge of JD and Kubota acting the same way. All any of them care about now is getting your money. Real service is a thing of the past. These new tractors are all junk compared to the old ones. I have a 1991 Kubota L 2850 and a 2004 Kubota L 3400 both 34 HP and the 3400 is so much cheaper built there is no comparison. I have old MF and IH tractors that I have used for years with only very minor repairs. If only I could buy a new 1960 tractor.

 

[RC Brooks]

Yeah, unless you are paying for the BIG equipment, it's all kind of junk. Admittedly the older stuff was made with the knowledge they'd be abused, but we've had similar luck with the "consumer grade" JD equipment. I know some that have had similar issues with Kubota.

Personally, I'd put the JX70 in the "consumer grade" class.

Well, I guess I can't call it "junk", they just have little tolerance for any abuse. Their "max" is literally the max, and prefer usage in the 50% area. Also too many "user friendly" features that have always been our issues. Too many sensors, switches and the like causing problems.

For my money, I'd sooner buy an older tractor. Even up to mid 90s isn't bad. It's mostly been in the past 15 years.

 

[notjustair]

And THAT is why I love my old equipment. I know every inch of those tractors. They were built to last. Nothing is extra and everything that is there has a life of decades not years. My loader tractor is an M. I won't "upgrade" to something newer anytime soon. It ran all day today and I didn't worry about a single thing going out.

I drove past Case IH today when I went to town. The stuff looked plastic from the road. They all are now.

 

[T in NE]

The JX Case is the Ford unit that size with red paint. A friend who deals in used equipment won't touch anything that came from the Ford side of the family.

 

[IH fan]

(quoted from post at 12:48:13 03/22/14) The JX Case is the Ford unit that size with red paint. A friend who deals in used equipment won't touch anything that came from the Ford side of the family.

it's not just Ford (NH) or any one particular company. I saw it happening when I worked for a hydraulics manufacturer. Back in the '0s, '70s and '80s, if a pump or any hydraulic unit was to be used in the field or customer equipment at 2500 psi, we tested it so it would stand up to 3500 or even 3750 psi. If it was to be typically run at 180 degrees in a machine, we tested it at 220. Then because the unit was "over-built", it was a little more expensive... I'm not talking about mega bucks here because a little extra material in critical spots is cheap, and machining is essentially the same, I'm talking cheaper materials, a "little less" of it, and cutting corners on "purchased parts", like seals, bearings, coating processes, etc. The customers, major implement manufacturers of all colors (not to name any, but we provided OEM parts for them all) forced us and I'm sure other vendors to cut corners and cost anywhere we could. We built a "bullet-proof" garden tractor transmission that the [u:64c12b92d9]engineers[/u:64c12b92d9] from customers loved... couldn't buy it because it was $20 too high priced. The "green" engineers pleaded with their management to buy it... never happened over $20 a unit. We went to Korea to see if it could be built cheaper, still (with added shipping and we still had to test a percentage as QC) and that $10 was still too high. Why? because even though it got down to $10 a unit, by the time it got to the end user, it would have been $100 and the home owner (they thought) would not pay that much extra.
As for the "bullet-proof", we used one of those units for 20 years inside the plant every day pulling loaded carts full of parts after development was done, thru 2 or 3 engines and finally shortly before I retired I noticed they had parked it... said it needed too many other things, but the tranny was still good.