lister/planter

[MANFRED]

I"m just a stupid city boy so I"m curious, what is the difference between a lister and a planter?
They don"t look much different.

 

[RN]

Planter started out with simple drill blade to get into ground a couple inches to drop seed and a small press wheel to help cover. Look at a JD71 unit - Kinze makes about the same now, might have model numbers wrong, anyway that is basic for flat tilled ground use in area getting 2 foot or so of water in season. Lister refers to the mounding on soil in dry areas like Nebraska where planting in the gully would let the lesser spring rain trickle into gully and sprout quicker or used in low wet ground where the hill section would dry in spring to be planted. Lister planter would be maybe consider a early minimal till/no till idea- the front section has chisels, discs or mini plow shares to work ground before the planter drill- could make small hill and gully planting bed with seed on low or high part depending on expected rainfall, sandy or clay soils, spring thaw and drying time. In gardening the raised Dutch or Chinese beds would be used in wet areas while the "Waffle" beds would be used in semidesert areas like Arizona- Seedbed is not flat soil and one reason or another means crop grows with mounds and gullies- the lister plows and Lister planters work in the particular area better than multiple passes and plain planter. RN.

 

[jackinok]

Well,theres lister plows,and theres lister planters.A lister plow throws dirt both ways making a ditch sort of.This would do lots of things,hold moisure from rain,snow etc allowing it to soak far into the subsoil and also keep soil from blowing.You could double list a field,basically plow with a lister plow in fall or early spring to hold moisture,and then plant with a lister planter making the second or double list.Lister planter did this,it put the seed far down in the subsoil,it had or has a basic lister plow bottom,but it also has below that whats called a subsoiler.This is where the seed drops.So the seed was actually below the furrow bottom.Believe it or not most of the moisture a plant uses comes from below,not from above.With your crop planted in lister rows you would cultivate ,at least the first time or two with what is called a ridge buster.This would fill the furrow around the plant as it was growing leaving the roots way down in the soil where moisture was greatest.This would allow you to grow say a corn crop in places where a crop planted with a conventional planter would fail for lack of moisture.After furrow was filled,you would do the later cultivations with a normal cultivator.Of course you could single list a crop in,simply do no tillage and do it all at once with the lister planter.The seed boxes and such were very much like a conventional planter and setup basically the same.You would probably find these more out on the high arid plains than say down south where rainfall was much greater.it really wasnt a early no till,as every inch was tilled even deeper than you would with a normal moldboard plow.it was and is very labor and time intensive.but it allowed thousands of acres to be planted that normally wouldnt grow a crop.

 

[jackinok]

there were also(and probably still are) lister openers for grain drills .they simply let you plant deeper than a ordinary single or double disc opener.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Go to Galleries in the left column, Implement photos. Type in Lister in the search box.

 

[Briar Hill Brittanys]

Manfred, here's a couple of pictures the business end of a JD # 6 Lister Planter I just got. Right to left is front to back. Just above the date stamp is the runner that opens a slit for the seed to be placed in. The large discs are furrow openers. The runner opens the slit, the furrow openers open the furrow, the seed drops between the furrow openers,

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The 2 little discs are closers, the tire is the press wheel.

Looking from behind gives a little better scale to the whole works. Normal disc openers a little bigger than the closers on this lister planter.

Here's the whole pile o' planter. I think the spoke wheels are cool.

I hope the pictures help, as much as your post helped me know what it was I bought. I'm going to disassemble, replace hardware, bearings, and paint. It's a trip lift, I can use it with my 8N. Keeps me out of the bingo parlors. HTH Mark

 

[MANFRED]

I thought I had an old planter but now that I"ve seen the pictures I think it"s a lister.
Thanks

 

[Dean Olson]

This is an old Case Lister Planter

 

[jackinok]

sorry,but i think you'll find thats not a lister planter when you start hunting parts,looks like a typical jd planter with disc openers to me.I may have some seed plates for that planter,maybe even picker wheels for planting cotton,I'll look and see if I still have them next time im at that place,its 100 miles away so it may be a while though.

 

[Briar Hill Brittanys]

(quoted from post at 13:46:19 01/27/11) sorry,but i think you'll find thats not a lister planter when you start hunting parts,looks like a typical jd planter with disc openers to me.I may have some seed plates for that planter,maybe even picker wheels for planting cotton,I'll look and see if I still have them next time im at that place,its 100 miles away so it may be a while though.

Thanks Jack, it's a #6 Loose Ground Lister Planter. Actually offered (according to the manual) in a 3 point model, or with ground driven trip lift like mine.

I'd not seen one of these around here before, liked the looks of it (especially those cool spoke wheels), and thought it would be a good one to "restore" and use. I believe it came from western Kansas. It uses the regular JD or Lustran plates. My AC 600 planter uses them with an adaptor. The only ones I'd need for this planter would be bean plates. I'm just as big a stupid city boy as MANFRED said he is, :mrgreen: so I didn't know how a lister planter differed from others. Your explanation helped me understand. I like messin with this old stuff. Sorry MANFRED, didn't mean to hijack your post. Mark

 

[Johnny5812]

This is my JD PA700.

I plant bush beans, corn, soy and peas with it.

It works great in Oklahoma.

The last pic is my weed control HAMMER.

 

[Johnny5812]

My weed control HAMMER.