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how can any row crop farmer vote for this guy? he comes right out and says that even though the entire ag input pricing structure is now based on ethanol he will get rid of the reason we have it.
Is anyone following this?
$1000/T potash and maybe back to $5 beans/$2 corn?
Come on now!
 
I did not say anything about external_link. It is obvious your education level by your crafty spelling ability. As for his religion that would mean Chritians are nnalert as he is a practicing Christian.
If you had simply read the post I was only making a referal to mccain being against the farmers, not external_link being for them.
 
The ethanol program, as it now exists, is basically a boondoggle and needs an overhaul. Although, with $2 corn, it might make a little sense. With corn at $4 or $5 it makes no sense at all.
 
It looks like your composition, spelling, and capitalization show your education level also. Rocks and glass houses, you know. TDF
 
Row crop farmers have been getting taxpayer funded welfare/bailout $$$ or whatever you want to call it for 40 years its time to be cut loose from the gov't teat.Sink or swim guys like the rest of us.
 
I hate to interject politics into a tractor forum, but honestly, muckfarmer...do you think that "Rev" Jeremiah Wright's church is Christian? He used vitriolic messages of hate; for this country for white people; to build his power base (and 12$ million mansion). He is laughing at them and us.
 
Isn't that the truth?! I know we sure don't have anyone at hand to give us a bailout when the beef feeder prices tank. We have kept records on prices and whatnot since 1959 on our farm. This year our beef feeder prices were the same as the mid and late 1960's. Also bought a brand new truck in those years for about $3000. Now they're closer to $30,000. Hmmm.
 
Ok, a guy who went 20+ years to be preached to by a hate-monger and a wife who has written several racist papers would be better? Spreading the wealth around sounds good if you're on welfare. My position is I earned what I have. Why should I be forced to give it to someone who won't work for anything?
 
The point here is: McCain is the only logical choice if you care about your business, your family, your country, your freedom, etc.

You need to understand that while you are worrying about McCain and what his program is for subsidies, you'll wake up some morning and find out that external_link has taken over your farm and divided it up among folks whom he thinks are NOW more deserving of it than you are, no matter that you have been the one who has worked it and paid for it over the years. And this is not an exaggerated or far-fetched explanation I'm giving you.
 
BINGO! I think that's the point I was trying to make but you made the point better and more clearly than I did!
 
I guess I could use a little enlightenment as to the type of Christian he is, how he and his wife and Rev. JWright display their Christian values. Help me out here, OK?
 
Key word practising. None of us know what he is praying for or to whom. I am not saying he is or isn't, but remember, haven't there been hints in the past that Al Qaeda has sleepers in all facets of America??? Remember the Trojan Horse. I have heard to many comments, remarks, and such from his past to feel all warm and fuzzy about his change we can believe in. I think external_link will change us alright, but is "change we can believe in" the changes he is making every one think will happen, " believe he will change America" the way he and his allies want it. Then when it happens we can't believe what is happening.
 
Bingo! How many poor farm kids from the 80's made their way through college on their own because their parents were broke! ALOT. Why should one group of people have to get their education worrking 2 jobs and racking up loans to pay off, then another group gets an almost free ride on taxpayers or others expense. A kid from the slums has the same oppperttunities as the kid from a lost family farm or anyone else.
 
Dave,

I'm one of those who not only paid for my college expenses, but also paid for tuition from 7th grade to 12th grade in middle-high school. I was one of nine kids and my parents did everything they could for us but we all had to work and carry our load, with minimal government help. (In college I got work study jobs and did mechanic work for the rich kids.)
 
Remember a president can only accomplish what congress allows. I doubt the ethanol program is going to change much. If external_link gets elected and he has a abundant majority in both house and senate, we as a nation are doomed on many fronts. The ethanol program will be the least of your worries....
 
One man alone cant get rid of ethanol.Lots of farmers will vote for MC simply because he is the less of the two evils.
 
I think you need to weigh more factors in your decision-making process.

Just this morning the news channels are reporting that the nnalert are calling for a 25% reduction in defense spending. That is inconceivable to me while we have troops abroad. Unthinkable and shameful.

Not to mention McCain's opponent wants to reinstitute the Death Tax, which affects a great deal of farms and farm families. I would also think that many, many farms fall under the category of "small business" and will see their tax burden increase.

From all that I have read and heard, corn is not going to be the answer, as their are other bio-products that have a higher sugar content and therefore would be a better choice for bio-fuels. I am pro ethanol, as I am very pro-farmer. I want more and more.

But to say that you would vote for McCain's opponent based on this single issue I think is the wrong approach.

I, like many, think that we are simply voting for the lessers of two evils in the election. I also disagree with McCain's stance on global warming issues, which I believe are a farce, as well as immigration, and gay rights.

But I think the damage that will be done in an external_link administration greatly outweighs that of McCain. Don't people remember the 1970's? Don't they see that he has little or no experience in nearly every category. Can a person really believe that he sat in a church for 20 years, had his 2 daughters baptised there, and didn't hear what the preacher was saying? That he can come out in the open and tell people that he is going to take money from those who work hard and are productive and give that money to people who aren't is mind blowing. That is pure socialism/communism. In years past the country would be in an uproar and would never consider such a person to be president.

external_link said he would accept public funding for his campaign, then when he saw the huge amount of money coming in he reversed his position, so he lied. He said he would not raise taxes if the economy wasn't doing well, but he's still standing by his tax increases even while we are beginning to sink into recession, so he lied about that. While a state senator in IL he said he voted against a bill that would require doctors to provide care for babies born alive after a failed abortion because "it didn't have a clause that the same Federal law included". Upon review the law was identical to the Federal statute, so he lied about that. He voted "present" almost 200 times while a state senator, proving that he does not like to take a solid stance one way or the other, a trait we cannot have in our president.

All these facts make him, in my opinion, unfit to hold the office of President of the United States.

So are you saying that you will vote against McCain because of the ethanol issue, and will be ignoring all these flaws in external_link?

McCain is far from perfect, but external_link is dangerous.
 
This stuff is getting old.After what we had in the last 8 years for anyone to suggest that McCain is the best answer is just wrong.Obviously McCain is going to be even worse.Its like a snowball rolling down a mountain,its already going fast McCain is going to add to it.All of them who call themselves conservative nnalert have messed up the country,dont care what label you give them.The one I think they deserve is communist.Ethanol is necessary unless you want higher fuel prices.McCain must be getting donations from the people that make that poison additive that ends up in ground water.They are all crooks.Also the church stuff is a place you dont really want to get into,if somebody doesnt like what others do in church,it doesnt mean they arent Christian but maybe it looks messed up to us,but we didnt have any experiences in life like he did.Better stay out of that,wars are over religion stuff and it starts just like that.Some of you all are blowhards that wouldnt know what was good for the country if it fell on you,and good for the country is not McCain.
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Another BIG AMEN, brian jasper. I don't think McCain is much, but I consider Obammo the rottenest, most worthless presidential candidate in U.S. history.
 
Yea man we got to do something about Big Oil,George Bush,Speculators and Dick Cheney conspiracy to drive DOWN the price of oil and gas.Those guys are killing us sand diggers.We need more stupid abundant BS to drive the price up especially diesel fuel.Thanks for the help there fellow!!
 
external_link will spread the wealth around to all the poor people, and of course the poor people will all vote for him. My what timing, the economy going down the river and external_link is our savior, BS
 
There was a blurb on the radio yesterday that The Messiah and his buds want to outlaw 401K type accounts and morph them into Social Security. Yes, SIEZE your 401K/retirement account and force you to let the Gov't have it.

Sounds like freedom to me.
 
Plus a required individual contribution that is taxed. No tax breaks on 401's in the future.
 
Conditions now in the US are very similar to Weimar Germany in the 30's. The country was in a depression and the masses were told they needed to elect a great socialist to lead them out of it. World leaders thought he was great, celebrities thought he was great, and in the end he did great things for Germany in the 40's. Like sheeple they all followed. Sound familiar? As a matter of fact Osamas speaking style is very much patterned after that famous german.
 
I can't believe people get all frustrated when osama's biography is called into question. Everyone should know everything about him if he's might be pres. People are more interested in Palin's daughter than o's neighbor Ayers. The media should reveall all the details, but they won't.
 


[size=24:c5b63c3d7d][color=red:c5b63c3d7d]NOBAMA![/color:c5b63c3d7d][/size:c5b63c3d7d] :evil:
 
I am still blown away that a guy like external_link could get to the point where he is runing for the Presidencey. And racial issues don't enter into what I said. He is flat out a potential cancer to this nation.
 
(quoted from post at 09:53:47 10/25/08) Man, you are surely out of it!!
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I dont believe the govt would ever take our 401 k money, of course with the current administration mishandleing of the economy we wont have any saveing anyway.
 
Well the other one is so full of it you will get a good dose of it if him and those former Wall Street crooks he hired for economic advisors get in. BEND over and get your stupid A$$ READY!
 
Lou-Lou-

"There you go again." I am not in any way, shape or form defending the current Chris Dodd/Barney Fwank-created mess. I am voicing my concern about two things:

1-The mess that the country will be in if and when external_link is elected
2-Liberals who don't or can't understand what's going to happen to all of us if external_link is elected.

Now--get back to your Dewars.
 
It won't be long, if the one gets to play president, that you will be told to provide food for the masses on the 5 year plan. But look up!, the fertilizer will be provided in amounts some dork from the hood thinks will be enough.

Or, they will just use the successful model from zimbabwei.
 
I heard the same bull when Jack Kennedy was running, that he's a Catholic and now the Pope is going to run this country. I know one thing I'm not voting for is Mc Bush and the Moose Shooter. Need the nnalert to get us out of this Depression. Bush was another Herbert Hoover. If he was Jewish I would vote for him.
 
I agree that external_link is a horrible being to be holding the office of the presidency. What is real sad is that anybody that disagrees with external_link is labeled as a racist, resistance to change redneck. Well guess what--I would spit in that 8astards face before I would ever vote for him. I just hope enough god fearing white people wake up and vote for the old white guy.
 
"The media should reveal all the details, but they won't".

So what are you privy to that the media won't release?
 
Wake up!! The media itsownself admitted a left leaning bias right on the McNeil-Lehrer news hour last week.
 
ha ha ha ha ---- In your dreams --- Mr. O is going to be IN --- and he will do a Great Job unlike your sorry A$$ nnalert Jerks who spent all our money and keep us broke with High Prices ....
 
So where is it that you get your info?
The media are all liars and bias, so you have some magical powers that lets you sort it out?
 
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT LOU --- OLE DAVE 2N IS A WEIRD-O -- IN A WEEK OR SO -- WE CAN TELL HIM -- I TOLD YOU SO !!!!
 
If you need some assistance in reading I am sure there is help for you. Can you please enlighten me on where I may find this information of him being a nnalert and also any chrages or cinvictions of him being a terrorist.

I would rather have seen Hagel or Lugar as a nnalert pres nomination but I do not get the choice here.
It is never good to have one party own the gov't. We just saw what that did!
 
I would rather have seen Hagel or Lugar as a nnalert pres nomination but I do not get the choice here.
It is never good to have one party own the gov't. We just saw what that did!
 
I don't understand the uproar over his position. Congress would need to pass legislation to make it happen and most nnalert and nnalert would never vote for it. Therefore it is just a position that will never be realized. I'm a lot more concerned about having a super majority Democratic controlled Congress coupled with external_link in the White House, which would enable them to pass more abundant legislation, related to affirmative action, gay and civil rights issues.
 
hussiens idea about spreading the wealth means taking from those working and giving to welfare whores in town and you like that idea
 
Why doesn"t anyone say anything about McCain wanting to bail out stupid homebuyers that bought McMansions out in the suburbs and now can"t afford them? nnalert would have you believe the current problem is caused by low incme people that can"t afford payments, but the fact is it"s not the guy that spent $150 G on a house and can"t make his payments--it"s the folks that bought $500 G houses that have lost $200 G of their value that"s causing the problems. I paid for my house, as did my parents and brother and several of my friends. PAID FOR. And now McCain wants us to help out these irresponsible grashoppers that played with their Lexuses and Hummers? And you call external_link socialist? What, are you for the banks, no matter the cost to us average joes-and not the "plumber--he"s a helper when he doesn"t have a license.
 
Well for starters he wouldnt put his hand on the bible when he was sworn in as Senator, he also wont say the pledge of alligence. If you are voting for external_link because you think that he will increase your chances for economic prosperity then you are a very foolish person.
external_link is as crooked as they come, the Anti-Christ in my opinion.
 
You may want to read the new testament some more. If external_link or nnalert before was the anti-christ, many things would have already happened.

As for him being sworn in on anything other than the Bible, also not true. Find something different and I would be very appreciative.

It is not easy to even vote this time. Could you please tell me one MAJOR policy difference from mccain to bush?
 

He isn't against farmers - he's against artificiallly supporting a losing technology. Ethanol, over the long haul, is a losing technology that solves nothing. Too much energy and water input to have the stuff become sustainable. When our energy competes withour food, we are losers in the long run. I'm all for farmers making a decent profit and getting a good price for their products, but it doesn't make sense to subsidize a program that requires burning our food supply.
 
I expect you will indeed be able to do that. But when some nasty stuff starts to happen after he is elected and your pinkies start getting pinched....well, just remember, I told ya so!
 
Well the differance between Bush and Mccain is that Mccain served in Vietnam, was a POW too. Mccain is a senator, Bush was Governor of Texas- In case you didnt know. So I guess you hate Bush huh? Do you think Al Gore or John Kerry would have been a better choice? I hate Al Gore as much if not more then external_link. Al Gore needs to crawl back into the sewer he came from in Tennessee and keep his yapper shut about environmental issues, since he is only out to take away our rights, it is has nothing to do with the environment.
 
since you still cannot answer the question of one POLICY difference between buch and Mccain you have answered my question.
 
All of that came out of the White House to give loans to anyone that walks thru the doors of the bank. Banks would never had done that without approval from the Feds. I had to pay 7% on my house 40 years ago and it was take it or leave it.

I paid down a 39% downpayment and had enough for closing. I didn't buy any new cars for 42 years.

From 1959 til 2001 I bought used cars with low miles. I put a daughter thru college to get 2 master degrees too. Every thing Bush has did while in office has been a nightmare. Mc Bush and the Moose Shooter will be another nightmare. Hal
 
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