Mosin Nagant Model differences questions

[old]

Ok so with the one I got yesterday they list 6 different models of them. I understand the 1891 is the oldest and had some sort of trigger problem. The M91/30 is the improved 1891 that got rid of the trigger problems. So What differences are there in the M27, M38, M39, and the M44 I do know that the M38 and M44 are the carbines but how else are they different???
Thanks

 

[NCWayne]

Hey Old, check out the link below to the Wikipedia on them. It has more pics, history, and just plain basic info on the Mosin Nagants than I have seen anywhere else.
Mosin Nagants

 

[old]

Thanks I now have that book marked. Only problem with that site is it is slow to load on dial up but got to it after a couple minutes.

 

[Anonymous-0]

our fleet farm stores sell them for 119.95 and most that i have looked at are very nice. have one i bought back in the 70s nice shooting rifle . what bore is your 308 or 311 ?

 

[old]

All the Mosin Nagant if a true Russian gun will be a 311 bore. I have never run across one in 308 and I have loaded a good many rounds for them over the years

 

[Bret4207]

The NOMINAL groove diameter, not bore diameter, is about .311. The guys shooting cast that slug their bores will verify that measurements are rarely under .311 but often go over .314. Your bore diameter is more like .303-.305.

 

[old]

That maybe true but since all my reloader manuals call for a 311 bullet that is what I use to reload. With having more then one it would be hard to load just for each gun

 

[RN]

Mosin-Nagant in .308 will almost always be a Finnish Civil Gaurd rework model post WW1. They bought barrels from German makers and got the makers "standard" .30 rifling .300 bore/.308 groove nominal. If they"d ordered a British standard ".303/7.7mm" then they"d have gotten closer to the Russian pattern with nominal .311 and maybe a hair groove. Civil Gaurd ammo usually boxed marked as 7.62x53R instead of 7.62x54R -Norma and Lapau had this most times or could be usually ordered. RN

 

[old]

All my manuals list the Mosin Nagant as a 311 so that is what I use when I load them

 

[Bret4207]

(quoted from post at 08:56:08 05/04/13) That maybe true but since all my reloader manuals call for a 311 bullet that is what I use to reload. With having more then one it would be hard to load just for each gun

The point is your BORE diameter and groove diameter are different and your bore is NOT .311, your groove diameter is nominally .311.

Loading for different guns is required if you delve into something besides jacketed (EXPENSIVE!!!) bullets. And I'm not trying to argue with you, it's just that the bore and groove are two different things and referring to bore diameter when you actually mean groove diameter leads to misunderstandings and possible safety issues.

 

[dhermesc]

An M27 is the Finnish design based on the '91 action. The M28 is the Finnish "improved" version of the M27. An M38 is the Russian Carbine version of the 91/30. The M39 is another improvement by the Fins over the M28.

The Russian M38 is a cut down version of the 91/30 with a detachable bayonet, the M44 is basically the same rifle only the bayonet folds to one side. I've owned both the M38 and M44. The M38 looks like a much cleaner rifle even after you've moved the bayonet from the M44 - the lugs for the hinge protrude quite a bit.


http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM.htm

 

[old]

Guess I need to look at my Finnish Sniper rifle that uses the Mosin Nagant action but has a bull barrel as to what model it is. I know it is a tack driver if a guy can hold it steady enough. Has the Russian Scope like seen in the Movie Enemy at the Gates

 

[Indiana Steve]

try this site. they got more info than anybody. http://www.7.62x54r.net

 

[RN]

Most Mosins are the .311-.313 groove, only the Finn Civil Gaurd rebuilds mostly got the .308 barrel grooves so odds of .308 barrel world wide are small. The odds change in US because the Finns sold most of the Civil Gaurd rifles not taken by their own hunters, target shooters or local Scandivavian dealers to the US surplus dealers- so about 1/2 the Civil Gaurd rebuilds ended up in the United States. The US market is relatively tolerant of military surplus rifles in civilian possession compared to rest of the world and does pay much better than scrap metal dealers- so some strange things appear at the local gun shows and dealers-- very few European countries have Yugo 59/66 carbines with the grenade launchers available over the counter- Dick"s had a couple on the shelf localy last year. RN.

 

[old]

Ya one of the local Gun shops have an SKS with a grenade sights on it tried to do a trade for it the other day with my M-1 Carbine but the guy wanted $100 boot plus my gun. I have 2 stock the factory one and a pistol grip one. Scope mount 2 mags a 5 and a 30 and about half a box of shells plus the rest in once fired brass He was pricing the carbine at around $350.