NATPA

[jim johnson]

In response to my other post. I've received several calls and emails from members, exmembers and even exboard members but not one from any present board member. You'd think at least ONE would call and defend, or at the least try and defend their actions but I'm not holding my breath.

Like I've said before THEY should be the promoters. I guess they are not out talking to the pullers and hearing what we hear.

I'm done.

Jim

 

[Anonymous-0]

Jim, Not to start anything but have you personally contacted the directors with your concerns or voiced your opinion at the meetings? Also, isn't your 9 currently temporarily out of commission anyway?

 

[Anonymous-0]

I will say that there are several things in the natpa rules that I don't agree with but on the other hand I do fit their rules and can go pull with them if I want and still have fun. Is it a perfect world? No! Will it ever be? No!

 

[mo-ac]

A big amen to dboll. Speaking for myself, I have spent quite a bit of money on my tractors and would rather go and pull and have fun than sit at home and be mad. As for NATPA, no it's not perfect, but it's the best club out there. As for Brad changing the pulling order at Springfield, that is not true. I was there early Friday morning and Carl already had it printed up. He just mistakenly thought that was the way we always did it. I think the board and officers try to do the best they can. I wouldn't want their job. Instead of griping, let's try to work together and make it better.

 

[LCB]

They have a lot of prolems and you would have to be blind not to know this.I learned about 5 years ago if you arent in click you you have a prolem. I went to KY RPMS where ok went to Princetion got DQ for RPMS.Havent pulled with them since. Would like to pull some in winter but pull for fun and hard to have fun if you know you are subject to getting s### at any time becuse you are not in click.Leroy Brave 618 664 2732.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I think some of you are reading more into this than there really is. Yes some directors have pushed rules that benefit their brand of tractor but I haven't experienced any negative treatment for being an outsider. My biggest problem with not pulling with natpa more is $3.10/gal. dsl fuel, Lincoln is the closest pull and is 250mi. away. As for a click, I am sure there is some "good old boys mentality" but do you know how I overcame this in our area pulls when I started in 1986? I kept going, and started placing, suddenly the old timers knew my name! I wonder how many of you have ever pulled at or even attended an natpa pull. Instead of sitting behind your computer repeating what others have told you go to a pull, you might learn something.Yes there is some rules changes that need to be made but I am not going to change natpa here and neither is anyone else going to. I heard Brad had to get home from Springfield to coach a kids sporting event. Another friend of mine said they had fun there and thought it was well run.

 

[MH55]

Lets see if I understand. You are taking offense to "lawyer speak" that basically says. You can be DQ'd, These are the rules, and Any decisions made by the Officials are final... All seem reasonable to me. These statements are just giving the officials the authority needed to run a pull...

The club isn't exclusionary. The rules are posted and plainly written. If you have any questions about them, Tech's will answer them. Officers numbers are on the website even. Have been to NATPA pull, It was well run, Tech and RPM men were helpful to a first timer, and was a lot of fun.

Are the rules perfect? I don't know. It's open for debate... Do they do what they can to function in a very difficult position? Would seem to be yes. They provide a place to play, and try to make things fair for all...

Derrick Otis

 

[MH55]

So because your tractor passed RPM once it should always pass...

RPM levels will change with weather, engine temp, fuel/air quality, and even governor wear...

If your tractor was over it was probably because you were set right the ragged edge of 10%/20%/30% over and any one of these factors changed before or during pull...

Doesent everyone understand that 10%/20%/30% is the absolute limit. Not a guideline, it's a CEILING.

Derrick Otis
(My tractor is set at 7% over just so I don't have to wory about this kind of stuff, 1600 seems to run damn near as well as 1650)

 

[Anonymous-0]

i would agree the board is far from perfect, and the club has some big problems! But no one here has hit on the fact that the biggest problems are rules related and the rules are made by the general membership not the board! Now the rules my not be inforce the same every time that needs to be more consistant. But i've been to the meetings everyone of you that spouts off here sets on their hands and never has a thing to say to help fix any of these problems!

 

[Ustylish]

You mean kinda like when MM 800 parts were outlawed even before there was a general membership?

 

[Ustylish]

Who wouldnt take offense to "lawyer speak" when it is the underlining rule that you can be DQ'ed at the officials opinion. As far as the work "interpretation" goes, start asking multiple people the same question and see how many different answers you get.

Why is a board member's interpretation ANY better than mine, when we both think we are right? HE may be wrong. So what happens when the burden of proof is on the puller, and he is in the right, but the "board" interprets differently?

I had a discussion with a board member the other night and I gave him my "interpretation" of a certain rule and he shot me down. Thats fine, but now you see where there are two or possibly 3 DIFFERENT WAYS to "interpret" a rule, it isnt a good rule, it certainly isnt well written. And personally, I DONT think the rule we discussed is being followed well AT ALL, or enforced only on certain individuals.

 

[TVMAN]

To the gentleman that expressed his concern about RPMS the new setup natapa is using to monitor RPMS using a sensor ans natpa box to monitor it they are trying this on Division IV And V seems to work good So my sugestion to stop rpm problems use it on all classes just a suggestion Thanks TVMAN

 

[Mopower]

You may make a pig wrinkle it's nose and your wife may make a bulldog cry, but you make a great point.

(Somehow I doubt either, but you're welcome in our club. You'd blend in with Bernie's cattle.)

 

[jim johnson]

What does the fact of whether MY tractor is running or not have to do with anything? I could be pulling another tractor as I did last year but I choose not to. And nothing that I have pointed out on here was about anything that has happened to me personally, but it has everything to do with what has happened to good friends of mine and I should of said it long ago. As I said before, I'll stand behind everything I've said.

Jim

 

[A.P.]

Talk about ancient history. Those particular rules were written by the first/original members during the creation of the organization. Also "outlawed" were a number of nice parts (better heads and stronger blocks) for the Oliver pullers. But rules were needed and for the most part, with a few exceptions, they have worked reasonably well over quite a reasonable number of years so far. Are they perfect? Heck no.

 

[right back at ya]

Thank you Mopower! it good to belong somewhere...sniff sniff...

cattle are OK...but I am more a jacka$$....;D



Andy

 

[Anonymous-0]

No, they arent BAD rules...but Bob Dylan said it best.."The times they are a changin'..."

 

[MH55]

QUOTE: "BALONEY! rules are rules! if a rule was well-written, it would be self-explanatory and WOULD NEED NO INTERPRETATION!!"

Hate to ruin this for you but your objection is based on YOUR INTERPRETATION of their rules. All communication is subject to interpretation, No two people see a statement in exactly the same way. It's human nature...

Have you been to an NATPA pull? If not give them a try, or don't. Doesn't bother me either way. Just reserve your opinion until you can base it on fact not conjecture based on other keyboard pullers griping...

Derrick Otis

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard." - Anonymous

 

[Justin Monroe]

Have you ever pulled with the NATPA? Sounds to me like you never have, but you are so upset with everything. The way I see it, you could come in and win and think you will be kicked out and told never to return. That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.
I have pulled with the NATPA for many years and never felt that way. I do very well and don't belong to the click, though I am good friends with many of the officials. And that's what it is about to me, good competition and making great friends.
Guess what I am trying to say is don't knock it til you have tried it. I drive many miles and spend a lot of many for good competiton and seeing good friends.
The only thing you are doing is complaining behind a computer, griping about this and that, doing nothing not making anything better. The only way to make changes is to be apart of of it, not acting like an a$$ behind your computer screen arguing things you have never even expierianced first hand. Is NATPA perfect, by know means, but find me a club that is.

Justin

 

[SOS 88 PULLER]

Amen

 

[SOS 88 PULLER]

Well said Justin Keith Gordon

 

[Superih]

(quoted from post at 10:42:46 12/16/10) i would agree the board is far from perfect, and the club has some big problems! But no one here has hit on the fact that the biggest problems are rules related and the rules are made by the general membership not the board! Now the rules my not be inforce the same every time that needs to be more consistant. But i've been to the meetings everyone of you that spouts off here sets on their hands and never has a thing to say to help fix any of these problems!

You guys all need to read the above quote out loud about 5 times, then all of these threads bashing NATPA can closed.

 

[jim johnson]

You're wrong Jr.

Jim

 

[right back at ya]

First of all,MH55 I am not angry in the least. I was simply pointing out, that the way this is worded, the opportunity exists for this to happen.


Most people would not have anything to do with acting in such a manner. But we know some act in this selfish way don't we? We know who they are just by their actions. When these people get into a position if influence, that is when the problems start. THAT is also human nature.

Thou shall not kill,.....any need to interpret that? that is a clear rule.

Your quote about "a retard" tells me much about you. I wonder what the parents of a special needs child would think about someone calling their child a "retard"? low class man......

Pointing out the possibility of bias . don't make me an angry person. There are plenty of clubs to pull for, In fact, you dont have to belong to any of them to pull.

Andy
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