Nh 276 baler

[Anonymous-0]

Could use some help.
My problem with my knotters is the knives is cutting the string before the knot gets completely tied. The baler was tying on one side and hanging on the other. Put new knives on and now both sides cut the string before the knot is tied. It seems like the the knotter is about one clog off, but I can't figure out how that could have happened. Thanks for any advice.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Kevin you need the manual so you can check all timing procedures. Did you have any chains off?

 

[Anonymous-0]

No chains have be off. The disc have been retimed.

 

[Anonymous-0]

No chains have been off and the disc have been retimed. That is what I thought also.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Don't know, I have never had this trouble with mine. I would suspect something is out of time though.

 

[Rexalot]

To put new knives on the knife arms all you would have had to do was remove the billhooks and then lift the knotter assy slightly to get the knife arms off. Just changing the knives shouldn"t have made any changes to the twine disc timing.

Quick check of twine disc timing... top of the notch should be flush with the left side of the twine holder, but you mentioned that you checked that.

I find it hard to believe both sides are being cut by the knives before they can tie. I would look at the billhook and knife arm relationship. Make sure the billhooks rotate freely and are holding the twine to make a good knot. It"s the action of the knife arm sweeping the knot off that makes it tie. The billhooks just hold the twine ends together. If not held in the hook, and swept off it would look just like it was cut...

Notch in the knife arms should rub the billhooks with just enough pressure to make contact and should travel 3/8" to 1/2" past the end. If not they can be bent using a crescent wrench to meet the dimension.

Is there any chance that you have the knife blades on backwards?

 

[Seth_ia]

Its to late to think to hard. However as a general rule on single tie knotters, if both sides have the same problem, then its twine fingers. They are the only part that is shared. It is possible that there is a catch, the the twine fingers are grabbing the twine to late.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I have not measured the travel past the end. I will do that shortly. I have triple checked the knives to make sure they are not on backwards because I thought maybe I had put put them on wrong.
The bill hooks seem to rotate freely, they seem not the completely tiedbefore the knife gets to the twine, and I can't see any adjustment to get to start quicker.
Thanks for all the advice. I keep trying. If anyone has anymore ideas, I'm listening.

 

[oliver_t]

I had that happen. Simple answer was I forgot to rehook the spring that holds the knotter down after having the knife arms tipped up. Hope its that easy.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Somehow I lost one of the big springs that holds the knotter on one side, but did not notice that is was gone. That sides knotter gave me fits. I tried everything to fix it but as soon as I put a heavy spring on it,... it started to tie.

Not sure if that is your problem but a new spring is about $2. Worth a try.

Let us know how you fix it.

 

[Anonymous-0]

You do have a manual right?
Are you sure the stripper flange is dragging across the back of the bill hook?
My first thought in this case would be to advance the twine discs a little. Manual says to start with them advanced at least 1/8". Advancing the discs will give you longer 'tales' on your knots. Manual also points out that this setting is checked 'with string in them'.
Make sure your bill hooks have no rough spots or 'grooves' worn in them.
Did you replace the entire knife arm or just the blade? If the arm is new, I would not get carried away bending it trying to make adjustments. They are usually pretty good new.
James

 

[Anonymous-0]

Are you sure it's being cut and not just slipping out of the twine holder ? What do the ends of the twine look like when this happens ? Is there a half knot on the front side of the bale or the top side of the bale ? Is it a clean looking end on the twine or ragged ? Are the twine ends flattened ? I'm no expert but the 14t manual I have has a pretty good problem solving section . ...Randy

 

[Anonymous-0]

I do have a manual. The twine is being cut before the twine holder makes its final turn or at least thatis what it does when I run it by hand. The heavy spring is in place only on one side. I asked at the implement dealer if there was suppose to be 2 springs and they said only one. I"m still at my wits end. Thanks for all of your suggestions.

 

[Seth_ia]

Do both twine fingers take grease? Is there much play in the twine fingers. Also check the cam follower bearing that controls the twine fingers. Is it just the bottom twine that gets cut? Unless you have real bad luck, both knotters do not come down with the same problem at the same time. A fraction of a second delay in the twine fingers will cause problems.