nice mf 410 diesel

[Anonymous-0]

what size perkins motor is in this combine,,4 or6 cyl.?. there was a nice 410 diesel sold at kruers today... local owned ,,no hour meter , immaculate care,, brought 1850 , and I heard after sale the guy is gonna put the motor in a 285 mf tractor ,, and scrap the rest ..omg.what are people thinkin??,,,

 

[mudcreek183]

It has a 4 cyl. I think about 70hp not sure same here I sold one 10 years ago never saw a drop of rain to a guy I worked with he said he was going to use it pulled in the shed to this day it has never been moved or started.

 

[Dieseltech]

MF 410 diesel used a Perkins A4300 4 cyl engine, 4.5 bore x 4.75 stroke. Will fit the 285 that has 318 if some front bolts are changed also.

 

[JD Seller]

That is about the market for a MF combine around here. Scrap price is the only bid many times at the sale.

Brother bought a MF 860 Gray cab last fall. The combine had a 6 x 30 corn head and a 20 grain head. HE gave $2950 for the whole thing. He just wanted the engine for a tractor he was fixing. He cut the engine supports and lifted the engine out with an end loader. He then loaded the rest and hauled it for scrap. He got $1500 for the rest of it.

Local combine salvage yard would not even bid on it. Said they did not get enough calls for MF combine parts to have any on the lot.

 

[rufus80]

Used to own a gas MF 410, scrap yard is the best place for one. In my vocabulary MF does not stand for massey ferguson.

 

[OliverGuy]

I went from a 410 gasser to a 6600 diesel and thought I had died and gone to heaven!

 

[rufus80]

I know what you mean, I went to an IH rotary .

 

[Anonymous-0]

wow ,not a lot of mf luvers here ,I honestly believe , it is what you are brought up with, and knowing the mastery of the machine makes all the difference ... on the other hand .. cant say I blame anyone for the negative gasser comments , imho that would hold true on any ggassser combine using the modern gas ,,.the 410 owner claimed the diesel used about a gallon per hour harvesting ,and I believe that as a true statement , he told me before auction he would be thrilled to get 4 k for it ,, I told him to brace himself for 2 k or less here,.i watched that fella as the winnin bid came in ,, he could had out bid ,, and kept the 410 ,,.kinda like watching a guy put down his dog ,or selling his pet bull he had raised since a calf .. sad... btw,, a well worn but workin 4400 jd diesel rite beside it sold for same price..

 

[JD Seller]

j hikemper "it is what you are brought up with, and knowing the mastery of the machine makes all the difference "

The difference is that the MF combine had some fatal flaws. The Perkins motor was the only GOOD thing on those machines. The re-threshing cylinder was a JOKE. The way the final drives had to come off to replace the clutch. Weak transmissions/final drives, at least here in the hills we have. There where many things that just were poorly engineered on the MF combines.

Then you add in the fact than there are very few MF dealers around that stock any parts for that MF 410. Around me you would have a hundred mile one way trip to a dealer that keeps anything in stock for that MF 410. There are AGCO dealers closer but the closest is an AC dealer turned AGCO and the other AGCO dealer is only 3-4 years old an never has not sold a new combine yet.

I do not know of any true MF combines being used around me. There used to be a few MF 750s and 850s but not anymore. There are two of the New MF combines but they are the White rotary machine. Nothing in common with that MF 410 other than the Decal.

The market reflects what things are worth pretty well. That JD 4400 would be much easier to get parts for but it still has few users in this area.

 

[sirhc]

I didn't think there were that many Massey hater here back in the day in my area if you had five farmer four of them had Massey combines it would still be that way except we lost dealer support when the father turn it over to the kids all the were into were the small stuff.

 

[rufus80]

Massey was popular around here 30-40 years ago, but not now. If you ever had to work on one, like jdseller said, you would not want one. You'll spend all day taking off guards, belts, chains, and pulleys to reach a bearing. They just are a PIA to work on.

 

[H2omelon55]

The 410 was a good combine. These guys are comparing apples to oranges. I'll bet if a guy got off a 55 or 303 and got into a 860, he would have thought he had died and gone to heaven!!!!!!!! Massey all my life, starting with a 26.

 

[TractormanNC]

Agree with others.

Rufus80 nailed it. Then when you got all the guards, belts, chains, and pulleys off, then there was the bearing 1 1/16 inch bore, Whata bas***d size. Shoup doesn't list one that size.

Then there was all the welded assemblies instead of bolted together. What was bolted used 5/16 FINE THREAD CARRIAGE BOLTS. Even the feeder house bottom was welded in. Had to make more parts than I care to remember.

Idid what Oliver Guy did except on a smaller scale, went from a 300 gasser to a JD 4400.

Oh and did I mention that the 300 was underpowered and the engine always ran hot until I put a 7 blade fan from a Chevy truck on it. Oh and also no AC, didn't have enough power to pull it if it had it.


One of the happiest days in my farming career was when that thing went down the road with some other sucker driving it.

 

[JD Seller]

Well if the same fellows got out of that MF 860 and into a JD 7720 or a IH 1460 they would think they died and gone to heaven.

I have fought a day and half to replace the main drive bearing on a MF 860 combine. Only to find out the bearing is an oddball one that is MF only. Then wait 3-4 days for the part to get in.

We had a MF dealer right here in town. So there used to be MF combines around here. In the 1960s they where close to the same as everyone else's combines. Then they just did not innovate much after that. They just tried to enlarge smaller older designed combines. Then they had reliability issues. There corn heads where years behind everyone else. They did not bring out a good grain flex-head until years after the competition did.

Then the corporate issues caused many dealers to go out of the MF business. I am not joking when I say they is not a true MF dealer within a 100 miles of here. There just is not one around here. So if you break a part that requires you to go the MF then you either have to wait for it to be ordered/shipped by an AGCO dealer that really does not know anything about the machine or drive a long distance. Try finding a mechanic that had real world experience on MF equipment is just about impossible around here.

There are areas that had/have a good/strong local dealer. You will find more MF equipment there but not wide spread. This is really effecting the value of the used equipment.

Local fellow bought a new MF combine 6 years ago. He really did/does not have any issues with the combine. When he bought it he "saved" $15000 over the same JD or CIH machine. HE is trying to up date machines now. He finding he is locked into another MF combine. That $15000 has turned into $75,000 now he wants to trade. His current MF combine just does not have a good resale value.

He is getting tied of the parts issue with AGCO. He has missed some long periods of harvesting because of parts availability. Two years ago he hired my sons to finish his corn as the weather was going to change and he could not get needed parts for 4 days.

Not trying to bad mouth the MF line it is just the simple facts around here. They are an after thought for mainline equipment around here. Just not enough dealer and company support. Then factor in the resale issue and MF just is going to have trouble gaining much market around here.

This is some of the richest farm ground in the world. It supports more serious farms per county than just about anywhere. If MF can't have a presence here then how will it work in areas that do not have the income potential of here???

 

[johnwayne360]

Helle s in dyersville just took up massey after the agco line was discontinued. I would look at a massey tractor now, not sure about a combine, but I dont look at combines newer than 20 years old anyway..

 

[MikeinKy]

To answer your question, it had a 302 4 cyl. The 285 tractor had a 318 4 cyl. which is the same basic block. They will interchange, but he will lose some power with that swap the 540 combine had the 318. I have a 318 i need to do something with.

 

[GreenEnvy]

We started with Massey back in the 21A days and ran them all the way up to the 760. Didn't know any better until we bought a JD 8820. Found out how nice it was to cut for more then 2 days in a row without breaking down.

 

[Anonymous-0]

m ike in ky ,,. if you have a 318 motor let me know contact info ,, thanx jim

 

[Anonymous-0]

if the re-thresher was such a dumb idea then why did jd put one on their new combines? they just gave it a fancy name"active tailings" jd rotors er feed grinders are copy cat machines with an IH rotor along with a Massey re-thresher and sieves, also where are all of these chains on Massey? there are 4 on a 410 and 3 on a 550 not counting the feeder, clean grain and returns

 

[yessam]

dboll got it right another thing jd stole from massey was their unloading system the 4400 had to be done by hand the 410 were hydraulic .