Nick's 1951 8N

Howdy folks, thought I would finally start a project thread for my '51 8N.

A lot of family history with this tractor. My great grandfather Edgar Paulson bought this used in the 1960's and used it on his small farm in northern Indiana. Eventually, my grandfather Earl inherited it and used it mainly for pulling stumps and brush hogging on his 30 acres in Bristol, IN. I've got a lot of memories of him using this tractor throughout my childhood.

Fast forward to around 2016, grandpa was getting up in his years. After a medical episode, it was time for him to sell his acreage and move in with family. Fortunately, he took me seriously throughout the years when I said I wanted his tractor and gifted it to me. At the time, I didn't have a spot to keep it indoors, but had it shipped to me anyways about 60 miles away to where I was living in Fort Wayne. For many years it sat on my driveway until I needed all three garage spots.

Before I even attempted to move it, I drained all the old gas out of it, changed the rotor, cap, plug wires and plugs to hopefully guard somewhat against breakdowns in transit. The plug wires were in bad shape, cap was cracked, etc. Grandpa is a frugal man :) Anyways, got some of basics done and got it to my house wherein I drained the hydraulic fluid from it. I can't remember grandpa every changing this stuff. It was like a thick vanilla syrup coming out.

Occasionally I would drive through the neighborhood and one year I used it to push snow around, but that was about the extent of my use of it. When I needed my driveway space, I moved it again to my buddy's place with 19 acres. It mostly sat outside for 3-4 years without much use at all. More recently, I had it moved again to a relative's garage where it can at least be in out of the weather and keep my '71 Mark III company. Back in June, we moved to Tennessee and are unfortunately renting until we can get our house built (land acquired).

At this point I am kind of in limbo with the tractor. Can't really bring it here yet due to space. I would REALLY like to see it cleaned up and completely rebuilt to show status. My dilemma is whether I should send it to a specialist and just write a check or take a piecemeal approach and do some of the restoration work myself, which I would very much enjoy. I have a slightly above average arsenal of tools, but still would be missing things that I would need for a job like this.

As you probably notice, this thing has worked hard most of its life and wasn't shown a lot of mercy unfortunately. As far as I know, the engine has never been opened up (it has moderate blow by), but starts and runs just as sweet as you like. The hydraulics are weak but do work, and I am sure most of everything is going to need some kind of attention. Bonus that this one has the Sherman combo transmission, but otherwise pretty much standard. Glad that it is a later model. Grandpa took whatever gray paint that he had lying around and went over it. Not the correct shade, but it probably helped preserve the metal some too.

Open to any suggestions on what you think I should do with it. I definitely will not sell it. It will either sit and look ugly or sit and look pretty and operate very well.


 
Looks as if someone replaced the seat over the years with a different version. Either I am too fat or the spring is super weak as it bottoms out everytime I get on it. Will have to put that back to stock once everything starts happening.
 
Shocked at what new rear tires cost for these. Are the original style tires even available anymore? I have not found them. I think they were Firestone?

Rear rims will need some attention at some point. One original hat rim and an aftermarket replacement on the other. Corrosion around the valve stem on the hat rim. Hope that it isn't too far gone. Both have calcium chloride in them of course.
 
Welcome to the forum. Your tractor doesn't look too bad right now. I've seen a lot worse.
Of course the easy thing to do would be to send it off somewhere and have it restored, but that would cost a lot of money. Doing it yourself, you will get a lot of pleasure and gain a lot of knowledge. It will still be expensive.

It doesn't sound like you can really get started on it until your new house is finished and you can build a shop to work on it in.

In the meantime you could start obtaining some manuals that you will eventually need. Maybe your Grandpa sent some to you. The number one manual would be the I&T FO-4 shop manual then an operators or owners manual and a Master Parts Catalog.
 

Unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, I've seen tires and rims in much worse shape still being used on working tractors.

The calcium is a liability for storage, as you probably already know.

You could possibly ditch the calcium, clean up the tires and rims, throw in new tubes/valves... and run many more years on those tires and rims.

Otherwise, those tires will make nice raised flower beds with really good tread when you replace them with new ones.
 
The N Series tractors were designed to be repaired by farmers who had switched from a team of horses - there's nothing you can't tackle yourself, and part of you (blood, likely) will become a part of the tractor when you're done.

Plenty of good advice and help here - I tapped into a lot of it in the mid-2000s [u:c779a8ed50]when I rebuilt my '50[/u:c779a8ed50]. Read [u:c779a8ed50]Bruce's 75 Tips[/u:c779a8ed50], and get yourself a copy of the I&T FO-4 manual (available from this site, along with a reprint of the original manual). Your tractor looks better than mine did when I bought it, BTW.

Original tires (repros) used to be available, but as I'm still on the set I bought when I rebuilt mine, I haven't checked in a while. Be wary of replacement parts off Amazon or from TSC - many, coming from 'The Land of Almost Right,' don't fit or work without modification. Best to rebuild your originals where possible.

Are you in South-Middle TN, by the way (a wild guess based on your handle)? If so, there are good tractor shows in Lawrenceburg and Eagleville (both already done for this year) - I attend both when I can.

es
 


Wow! that is a very straight and clean N! It has apparently had very good care and an easy work life compared to most of them.
 
Either way you will enjoy it. I am the third owner of mine, and after I redid mine, I put a small plaque on it honoring the farmer that
gave it to me and passed. The look on the grand daughter's face made my day. I use mine.
 
A few of the best N's I have worked on were yard dogs, they had set for years. I would wait till I could get to it. The last one was a good customer I work on all his vehicles a pleasure to work for. He had been after me for years to get his yard dog running (grandpas tractor) To give you some I.D. I put points in it, fresh gas, battery, re-wired it, two new front tires, one rear with new rim. I fought the 3 point lift arms all the adjustments were stuck. I will have to look at the repair order for what I missed. I did it in my free time so no rush : )

It ran about $1800.00 and i did not make what it was worth for my time. I made zero on the tire deal when it was done he said I should have replaced the other rear tire as it looked out of place.

In the end it was Grandpa's tractor it can and has a lot of work left in it. If it were junk I would have talked him out of spending the money on it but its not it ranks as one of the best N's I have worked on.
 
Do one thing at a time so its not overwhelming. Hydraulics, seat, front end, rear tires/rims, tune-up? If it starts and drives fine leave engine alone. If you wanted painted fancy do that last.
 
I could potentially get started on it where it sits, but it would be a scenario where I would work on it every few months. Lots of machine shops could handle the engine rebuild where the tractor is now. Not sure of many in the area here that could. I'd have to acquire an engine hoist to do that job.

I'm all stocked up on manuals. I have the factory shop manual, parts catalog, owner's manual and I am sure I have the FO-4 manual packed away somewhere.

This post was edited by LithiumCobalt on 09/19/2023 at 05:55 am.
 

Yeah, no leaking indications as of now. One of the wheels has already been replaced with an aftermarket loop type. That one is in better shape than the original hat style one on the other side. If I am going to restore this thing, it would be to as close to show standard as I could, so that would involve sourcing at least one hat rim. There is pretty heavy corrosion around the valve stem on the remaining rim. Not sure if it is salvageable.
 
(quoted from post at 14:43:26 09/15/23) Not 1951 factory original generator

Would like to replace with the correct one once the restore begins. Thank you for pointing it out. Anything else that isn't original style, I want no part of.
 
(quoted from post at 14:43:47 09/15/23) The N Series tractors were designed to be repaired by farmers who had switched from a team of horses - there's nothing you can't tackle yourself, and part of you (blood, likely) will become a part of the tractor when you're done.

Plenty of good advice and help here - I tapped into a lot of it in the mid-2000s [u:5364a46600]when I rebuilt my '50[/u:5364a46600]. Read [u:5364a46600]Bruce's 75 Tips[/u:5364a46600], and get yourself a copy of the I&T FO-4 manual (available from this site, along with a reprint of the original manual). Your tractor looks better than mine did when I bought it, BTW.

Original tires (repros) used to be available, but as I'm still on the set I bought when I rebuilt mine, I haven't checked in a while. Be wary of replacement parts off Amazon or from TSC - many, coming from 'The Land of Almost Right,' don't fit or work without modification. Best to rebuild your originals where possible.

Are you in South-Middle TN, by the way (a wild guess based on your handle)? If so, there are good tractor shows in Lawrenceburg and Eagleville (both already done for this year) - I attend both when I can.

es

Ed, thank you for the tips on the "almost fits" parts. Figured there may be a lot of that out there as with anything else.

Really appreciate the links too. Will take a look in depth.

Tractor is located in Goshen, IN (Elkhart County) way up in northern Indiana, along Michigan line.

I am located in Maryville, TN, which is eastern Tennessee, about 20 miles south of Knoxville. We are pretty close to the NC border also, and, of course, the Smokies, which we love. Have not heard of the two towns you mentioned. Maybe closer to middle Tennessee?
 
(quoted from post at 05:39:52 09/16/23) Do one thing at a time so its not overwhelming. Hydraulics, seat, front end, rear tires/rims, tune-up? If it starts and drives fine leave engine alone. If you wanted painted fancy do that last.

It does start and run, however, it's got blow by coming out of the oil fill cap. I assume it's probably just worn out. This was going to be the first thing I tackle. Get the block detached, check for cracks, magnaflux, give it a bath in the tank, new sleeves, pistons, rings, yadda, yadda.
 

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