Alright Guru's i need some direction. I went to start my 9n(w/ 12v conversion) this spring and she has no spark. The culprit is usually the points since i cannot get both set screws in the arm without closing the gap. It usually works loose over time and closes. I regapped to .013" and tried again but no spark.

I am tempted to do the EI conversion, but after reading the horror stories about the issues with them I am hesitant. Whats the best next move? New points condenser or should I look elsewhere?
 
"i cannot get both set screws in the arm without closing the gap. It usually works loose over time and closes."

WHY would you put up with a crappy situation like that??? I can't say I've EVER had a set of points loosen up and move.

Get some QUALITY points, Blue Streak, for example.

Put some Star washers on the screws. And TIGHTEN them.

Replace the distributor bushings IF NECESSARY to get the point gap setting into range.
 
Hard to find Blue Streak points around here. Helped my Dad install a set of Echlins yesterday..Echlin has been around a long time, not sure if they are any good anymore but they use to be pretty good..what's your opinion? Tks
 


Quality parts are critical to longevity. Sounds to me like that's your problem. Having learned the hard way, I most always use Blue Streak brand points. They are made by Standard parts & available at many auto parts stores. (frontmount points also fit a 48 Ford as I recall) Beware of sticker shock: $16-18 a set. My next choices are Wells or Echlin. Look for a brown rubbing block. Unfortunately, many folks have experienced problems w/ points made by Tisco, Sparex, A&I Products and any TSC ignition parts..

Correct points installation & gap is also important. Make sure the blade is at a perfect right angle to the points & you want to feel just the slightest bit of drag when you pull the blade through the points. Make sure the blade is clean & that you dress the new points by running some card stock or a piece of brown paper bag through them. Gap is .015 on the frontmount on all four lobes of the cam. Make sure the points align correctly.

Even as tight as I am, I always change the condenser when I change the points…….and then I toss the condenser in the “used” parts box. A bad condenser is rare; you can tell if the points are pitted/burned w/ metal transfer.

Good hold-down screws are important. (tip # 37) If the heads are wallowed out, what do you think the threads look like? You can use machine screws as temporary replacements, but you should use the OEM Fillister head screws. The larger head is there for a reason. If you do use standard machine screws, make sure they aren’t too long & interfere w/ the advance weights. Always use star washers under the screws.

Timing is important to engine performance. Make sure you set the point gap before you set the timing. Timing a sidemount is pretty straight forward; it has marks on the flywheel. It’s a bit different for a frontmount but it’s a necessary part of a tune-up nonetheless. And, contrary to what some folks think, timing a frontmount is not accomplished by getting #1 to TDC & putting the distributor back on the engine!

When I was 16 years old making $1.25 an hour & a set of points cost $1, I filed points. I must have been good at it because I recall it was almost a weekly exercise. If you ever file a set of points, you will remove the metallic coating on them & reduce the life span considerably. Unless you plan to keep on filing them, plan on replacing them pretty soon!

And lastly………it does not matter if it’s 6 volt or 12 volt, you must use the OEM ballast resistor on a frontmount. Too much current to the points will burn them up in short order (leave the key on with the points closed & you will experience this “learning point” in about 3 minutes, tip # 38) For a 12v conversion on a frontmount, you probably need another resistor in the circuit as well but unless you measure the coil resistance, you will not know for sure.

NAPA Ford Tractor Part Numbers:

Front Mount distributor...
Points:
NAPA #CS35
Standard Ignition Blue Streak #FD-6769X (Premium)
Condensor:
NAPA #FA200
Standard Ignition #FD-71
Rotor:
NAPA #FA300
Standard Ignition #FD-104
Distributor Cap:
NAPA #FA350
Standard Ignition #FD-126

After you install the new points & set the timing, you need to do a continuity check on the distributor.

Make sure your meter/light works (don't ask....)

Now, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil mis-aligned trying to put it back together one piece at a time & the result is something gets broken or you get a ‘no spark’ problem.

Post back w/ results or more questions.
50 Tips
 
Here are some numbers I had tucked away on my computer--compliments of Bruce probably::::
Front Mount distributor...
Points:
NAPA #CS35
Standard Ignition Blue Streak #FD-6769X (Premium)
Condensor:
NAPA #FA200
Standard Ignition #FD-71
Rotor:
NAPA #FA300
Standard Ignition #FD-104
Distributor Cap:
NAPA #FA350
Standard Ignition #FD-126
 
sometimes you have to take a needle file to cheap points to egg the mount holes to get them to adjust. echlin , blue streak or standard ignition should be fine.

soundguy
 
just finally installed new standard brand points and went through the diagnostic above. i'll put it back on the tractor in the am. ive got my fingers crossed.

thank yall for the help.
 
(quoted from post at 09:11:13 05/14/11) so now i have spark but it is weak and intermittent...... whats the next step, new distributor cap and wires?

Did you do a complete continuity check on the distributor before you put it back on the tractor?

Don't be so quick to replace parts.

Remove all the plug wires from the cap & put them back, firmly seated. do the same at the plugs. Then, double check the firing order, i-2-4-3, CCW.

Then get your meter out & follow the volts from the top of the coil to the battery, poking & wiggling each connection. A likely source of a poor connection is the terminal block/resistor.

Make sure you check the ignition switch as well.
 
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