not allowed to pull

[Big Jugs]

Have any of you ever gone to a pull and not been allowed to pull because others have said "if he pulls, we're leaving"? I have met each and every single rule for my classes with certain tractors and not been allowed to pull because the guy running it says I am just too good, lol. He won't let me prove they are stock. Yet, he lets others pull that I know are not stock-I have had a "hand lets say" in them, and others pull with my old pulling parts. What would you do? I hate to walk away, as many of you will say-it's my hometown pull.

 

[2not enuf]

jugs, A friend of my cousin has the same problem.

 

[Ed Carlsen]

I know exactly what your saying or they make new rules to disallow your tractor I'm done

 

[farmallstrong]

Have met all rule requirements and after we pulled was told to not come back...We came in second by 1 inch. Didnt win.

 

[johns]

Hey Jugs it amazes me those guys will go to a pull, see you there, and then whine and threaten to leave. You'd think if they really enjoyed pulling they would try to compete instead of crying. Usually these whiners have big money in their engines and they can't handle the "embarrassment" of losing. I'm curious, what class was this in? Were these guys pulling the same color as you or was it a "red vs. green" ordeal?

 

[TOM 77]

r in u brookville ind.

 

[Big Jugs]

NW Wisconsin.

 

[Big Jugs]

Same type of deal. He says "Well, we'll see how you do"...if I win, then out I go. Have several friends that show up with me and he tells them the same thing, cuz they are associated with me. These are all John Deeres, not saying that's the reason-he farms with Deeres also. But it's come down to the fact that anyone who parks near me or is seen talking to me has to be running a tractor that does not belong in a class. The whiners are also pulling Deeres. One problem is, I a LOT of tractors, and some are identical. and I mean IDENTICAL! All have nice paint jobs and don't sputter when on the track. Yes, some are built up quite extreme, but those get pulled in the right class. Problem is too many people see with one of my "identical" tractors and start crying. I've been pulling waaayyyyyyy too long that I know which ones are not stock for the gear they are pulling in, and like I said, I have shared parts with many of these guys or helped with the building of their tractors. The only stupid one here is the guy running it.

 

[mightymolinekid]

Never had that problem, but was bumped from "stock" to the open class only to find out later that several tractors did not fit the "stock" rules of the class they were in, and according to the rules should also have been in the open class. It didn"t bother me at all because at the end of the day, I got to pull at a hometown pull with a bunch of "good old boys" and we had a blast, along with the fact that I could walk around knowing I didn"t break most of the rules like so many other guys did.

 

[BushogPapa]

Sometimes it is not such a good idea to hurt BUBBA'S Feelings....he may not let you play in his sandbox...

RD..

 

[2not enuf]

Bushog, thanks I"ll keep that in mind.

 

[DAVE Thompson jr]

Took my Farmall Super M to a pull at Idaville a few years ago to a farm and field pull and won by 15 feet and they sent me home. They also sent home a ford tractor. They were just pulling tractors that were right out of the barn that didnt run very good. I didnt have a problem with leaving they were polite about it and I didnt have a problem with them.

 

[JDJACK]

Been to the pull, and pulled at the pull Big Jugs is referring to. If I remember correctly there was a speed limit, which is fine. But the flag man (I think the guy running the show) would decide while you were pulling if you belong in the class, if he thought you didn't, he would point the flag at you and you couldn't give it anymore throttle, even if you were under the speed limit.
My opinoin,just let the speed limit do it's job.

They said that they wanted it to be a FARM pull. NO press steel wheels, suit case weights, pulling
hitch, weight brackets, no chrome, my favorite no wheelie bars (I have not seen wheelie bars make power yet) it is a complete safety issue.
If FARM tractors is all they want then you could count the amout of tractor that would be there on one hand.
Also I wasn't any to find any printed rules before the pull or at the pull (if I remember correctly.)

 

[Bouncer]

I was not allowed to pull my stock M last year at a pull because I had wheelie bars and a kill switch. Heck, you can look at the block and head and see the head has never been off of it, there is still factory paint between the two. Heck, I have pulled it for two years and have never even taken the valve cover off to adjust the valves. lol I got it out of a barn with 4 flat tires. Aired the tires up, put in a fresh battery & gas, changed the fluids, and went pullin'. I am so tired of the mentality that wheelie bars add hp at some of these pulls. They need to get it through their heads that we are making it a safer event for them to put on.

 

[VicS]

Two years ago I showed up at a pull just west of me, with top cut 14.9 tires,(not very good tires). I had already entered, No body had entered before me. They said I had to pull first In every class. Which I didn't like. In about 15 minutes they found me and said I couldn't pull in the top cut class, because I had aluminum wheels on the front. I said show me the rules where it says can't have aluminum wheels in top-cut class. (it wasn't in the rules, but is now) Anyway they gave my money back. I don't hardly blame them, the week before I had won one class by 75 ft. There was other tractors in the class that had aluminum wheels also but they never won! Talked to Gary S at the Harrisburg Pa. pull last Dec. He said he had quit pulling his really hot 460 at local pulls, made people not like him at home. Bottom line I just pull mod-class and full cut tires, even though can't go quite fast as everybody else. Sometimes I get lucky. Vic

 

[Ron Brokaw]

A club I pulled with had a RPM rule in the 6 MPR class that wasn"t enforced in years until I started winning. I and three monster H"s (I call them muscle tractors) few AC-S, Olivers and we all had great time competing and no problems. We all abused the rule. Then along comes a member with a 900 series Ford with boo-coo of money and a high RPM (if ran by the rules and was getting his butt kicked) and the tears started to fall. He appointed himself RPM police and at end of season he was running as the new winner when we were all run off.
Another club I pulled with has a same class 5 MPR unchecked RPM with the 3 H"s rest all AC"s and me. Same old crap when winning. We should"nt have to pull against a 6 cylinder. Are"t you (AC guy"s) ever going to give us a chance? Yea, just when I think I am about to beat you I"LL turn the key off. They all quit comming so I left the club. My tractor is under cubed compared to alot of tractors I run against but it likes (Crysler legal engine) RPM"S. Don"t get me wrong I am not bragging and I am not a consistant winner (I"m 72) and pulled since 1954. I AM SICK OF CRY BABIES AND WHINNER"S. If a had a club those would be RULE 1&2. This is happening in other clubs near me and I have to travel miles to pull.

 

[wijd]

Your not the only one sick of the crap at that pull. I think I will save my entry fee money stay away from there this year.

 

[VicS]

Ron I love to pull with you. You are a great competitor. I would like to talk to you longer, seems like every time I see you we are concentrating on pulling! Neat picture of your Massey in the Hook . Vic

 

[jdth]

We were also at the pull I believe you are talking about. My wife pulled her stock B. In the driver's meeting the orginizer said if someone goes out & pulls 50'or more in front of the rest they would be moved up to the next class. In one of the lighter classes, I believe it was 4000# or 4500#, first & second were WAY out in front of the rest. After the issue he had with B.G. I asked him about his statement in the meeting. He said "ALL of B.G.'s tractors were built up & would be required to pull open or not pull at all". It was clear he had no time for Dale or any of the folks associated with him. Too bad, it was in the home town of B.G.!
Agree 100% with your comment jdjack, on the wheelie bars! Any tractor pulling should have them!

 

[CLIFF S]

Gee Ron and Vic You Guys Should Come to North Central PA 90 miles North of Harrisburg and Pull with Us if you Pull Dubble Cuts up to 18.4 you will be in 6 MPH But if you Bolt on 15.5 or Smaller Top Cuts you can Pull 3.5 With Me!

Some of Our Compition you Guys Have allreddy Pulled With at Harrisburg and No one Complained that I Know Of!

WE BE Glad to Have Ya!

Cliff S

 

[VicS]

Maybe once a year I can come. We are going to have A big pull at Fairfield Il. Labor Day. 10 AM. USAP Rules. Trying to have light weight King of The Hill class. $500 Winner take all. Vic

 

[WesternPa Puller]

I have been pulling a fairly long time in comparison to my age as its been a family tradition since very early on. That being said I have seen and heard and experieced about every complaint there is, and it tends to be that the guy screaming the loudest or whinning the most also tends to be the one who is pushing the enevolpe of the rules the most.

Sounds like another case of the local pullers that hate being beat by any outsider, but in my opinion your not truly a good puller/tractor until you can go to multiple pulls and finish in the top 5. There is no such thing as an unbeatable tractor but consistant top placing is what I strive for.

It's frustrating to watch the sport I love turn into such a mess of whinning and bickering, it really does kill clubs. Personally, I really like the way Brad Peters and company set their rules. Speed limits and open, with the only restrictions on RPM rated to saftey. You make weight and have the right safety equipment have at it!

 

[CLIFF S]

Vic How Lite where you thinking?

My only Problem uith USAP is i Wish they Started at 3250!

Cliff S

 

[Kip-Utah]

I only encountered this problem once. After hauling a tractor to a show/pull two states away, I decided to enter their pull as my tractor met all of their rules. Hook fee was $10 unless you did not belong to their club, then it was $40. After paying my $40, a young man who used to pull with this group told me, "They won't let you win!" As I'm going down the track, I hear the announcer repeatedly say this is only an exhibition pull! After winning my class I was DQ'd because the pads on my tip bars did not meet their specs! I was still stoked because I did beat a couple of their best tractors!! Kip

 

[gpuller]

Jugs owns a stock tractor? Hardy har har!
Too much chrome!

 

[Mopower]

I'm always impressed by that little Chrysler Ron. It holds its own. I've run Grandad's 44-6 locally and did well in 4500# Barnyard class. I'm glad you could make it to a couple of our Michigan Shootout pulls.

 

[Mopower]

50ft? gee whiz. Maybe it could be said that those who get outpulled by 50ft should drop to a lower class. -Haha. Is it your skill or their lack of skill that scares them?

 

[Mopower]

Our club tries to rely on speed limits, RPM, and tire size to control things. I've had my run ins elsewhere though. As a track official, I can't keep everyone happy, but I do my best.

Dad got lectured at one pull about his HD800 jugs on the UB. The only problem was HE DIDN'T HAVE HD800 jugs. He got bumped up a class. It's all factory U & G parts with no mods to make fit. The 98hp tractor is considered Div5 by NATPA but atleast they can point to (or logically interperet) the rules that say so.

I've only had to outright kick out maybe two tractors in my five years as a track official. More often they just signed up for thwe wrong class. But, in every case, I could point to a black and white rule that said so.

In one case I was called weeks after an event (during dinner with my mom and sis) and threatened with a lawsuit over DQing a fella. The sad part was he called before the event, asked me if he was legal (I said no, but pull exhibition if you'd like), he told me how he wasn't legal, and came to pull anyway. I said I'd let him pull exhibition. This was the only time I've ever told anyone to never come back.

Generally, I think USAP has the right idea and many other clubs are adopting pieces of their rules.

 

[VicS]

Yeah we will start at 3500. But John doesn't give any on the scales. Was thinking about 4250 King of the hill, have to let those pesky light green tractors pull or we won't have enough entries. Vic

 

[RichB]

Cliff where do ya"ll pull in PA I am near Cooperstown ny...seems you are not far away from me? Is there a site for rules,classes and such? I have 18.4 full cuts on my 77..thanks RIch.

 

[Big Jugs]

Ethan, I think ya just nailed it!

 

[muleboss]

WOW, I think this pullin these days would be just to much fun(CRAP) for me. Used to pull in the late 60s and early 70 and enjoyed it.

 

[Old Man Drummonds]

Oh........I can promise you one thing for sure.......at many many pulls you will be disqualified or ask to pull in a different class if you win consistently. I have been disqualified more than one time because I won. How do I know it was because I won?.......Because everything was ok until after I pulled and won. I was DQ'd twice at the same club two separate weeks due to speed limit. I never heard the horn. The sled operator never heard the horn. None of the other people in the stands heard the horn. But.......a 75 year old announcer with a hearing aid heard the horn blow from the other end of the track. Go figure....... I always just smile and say......." go ahead and DQ me. Y'all may cheat me out of a 2 dollar trophy but I just had the fun of pulling plus we both know I beat all of that junk y'all call tractors anyway. I will probably sleep better than you guys because I will be laughing at you and you will still be defeated and crying." I love to pull and win!!!!! Doesn't matter if everybody else gets upset because I beat them.........We all still know who had the best tractor and really that's all that matters. Making friends and getting all I can out of my tractor is all I care about. There always have been and always will be those who will try to bend the rules in their favor to keep you from winning. I just don't understand the thought process of people who think they should beat a much better tractor or driver when reality is that they should be happy with any position if they got all they and the tractor had??? If I pull my B John Deere in the same weight class with the A or G John Deeres who is going to win? I should expect than going in. What's up with that? Trust me......I don't win all of the time either but I really don't like being DQ'd because I have a better tractor. I think all clubs probably have 1 or 2 drivers who can't stand to loose. If that is the case I think they should spend the money and build a tractor big enough to win with or move down a class where they can win. Just my opinion. I don't think any of us should be penalized for building good tractors. Pull on my friends. Keep the sport we all enjoy alive!!!!!!!!

 

[CLIFF S]

Rich
We are in the Williamsport Pa aera!

Trout Run Pull Track Moved 1 Year ago (A Mile From Me)and is 5 Miles north of Williamsport! Just west of Us is Antes Fort Pull, South and Slightly East Theres the PATPA at The Hughsville Fair Grounds,MAFMCA at Washingtonville just off the Milton Exit of I-80 and Buffalo Valley at Lewisburg! They all Have 6 MPH Classes For Your large Tires and 3.5 TopCut and Noncut for 15.5 and Smaller! There All $5 a Hook Plus a $5 or $10 Membership,

Cliff S

 

[CLIFF S]

Rich Facebook for Trout Run,Buffalo Valley and Mafmca and Patpa All on Facebook or the Web. Cliff S

 

[ericsegaline]

Went to a pull in mass pulled in a class with no speed limit and got DQ for going to fast all you can do is laugh .some people are just not worth pulling with .take it as a compliment .

 

[Anonymous-0]

Went to a pull where the guy stood at the 75 ft line and decided if the tractor was in the stock class or hot stock. They allowed 2 drivers per class and some tractors ended up in both classes at the same wt.

 

[JR ROLFE]

Sure have got the smallest motor in a class of trucks I can't run with but it is the only class I could run in some places and told me I couldn't run because my tires were to wide. So me and on other truck dropped out and went to pul in a open class we formed because a new fuel injected street legal truck set up to pul and a V10 Dodge had made us an Open Class.