(quoted from post at 10:39:03 01/14/14) Talk to Animal down on the Using your tractor and crop talk forum.
While we're on the subject,what the devil does "suatainable" really mean anyway??!!
McDonalds says that by 2016 they will only source beef from "sustainable sources". They say they will work with producers to achieve their goal. So what the ----? Some college boy from a McDonalds corporate office is going to come out here and tell me how to farm? It might be his last stop.
Crop talk
(quoted from post at 10:31:24 01/14/14) I don t know if this is the right form for asking about Organic Farming, but are there any farmers doing Organic? There is alot of talk in my area, but I think it is still comfined. Any ideas out there? I have a farm(40 acres) East of Green Bay, Wi.
(quoted from post at 10:58:27 01/14/14) Organic operations tend to be short lived operations. You cannot take nutrients from the soil for many years before production drops off substantially. Weed and pest concerns will become a great problem over the course of a couple seasons. Then there's the marketing. Some are willing to pay extra for "organic," just try to find them!
Unless you have a neighbor with a huge dairy/pig/poltry/operation with a surplus of nutreients and no where to put them, you're going to be in trouble in a couple-three years.
(quoted from post at 12:43:50 01/14/14) Don't we all do that?!
Good God! I guess McDonalds just had to come up with some buzz word gimmick to appease the stupid brain dead fad followers.
(quoted from post at 13:47:08 01/14/14) I think you're confusing "sustainable" and grass fed. I pasture my cow/calf herd too,but I creep feed grain to the calves then put them on silage and grain to finish them after I wean them at 5-600 pounds. Again,if it's grass fed that Ronald McDonald wants,good luck and they'd better take a look at what happened to Coca Cola when they changed their formula.
(quoted from post at 17:20:48 01/14/14) Keep dreaming America would starve in two months without GMO.. If in fact anything the worm is turning more the other way toward overall acceptance and just a very SMALL group of tree huggers who can,t get it.
(quoted from post at 14:28:56 01/14/14) You seem like an awful nice guy and I sure don't want to start something with you,but what you're talking about is the exact opposite of "sustainable". I've been in the cattle business since I was 15. Everything I grow either gets fed to cattle or ends up under them for bedding. The only way anything leaves the yard is in the stock trailer or the manure spreader. My cattle don't,and never have produced enough manure to fertilize the ground that it takes to feed them. Granted,I don't use as much commercial fertilizer as the cash croppers do,but if I didn't supplement the manure with the commercial fertilizer that I need to use,crop production will drop off,I wouldn't be able to keep as many head,meaning less manure,even lower crop yields,fewer cattle and on and on until all I'd have is empty barns and barren fields of weeds. That's not sustainability.
(quoted from post at 10:31:24 01/14/14) I don t know if this is the right form for asking about Organic Farming, but are there any farmers doing Organic? There is alot of talk in my area, but I think it is still comfined. Any ideas out there? I have a farm(40 acres) East of Green Bay, Wi.
Feeding the bloating world population obviously can not be done with organic farming but that is not the point.(quoted from post at 17:48:41 01/14/14) We weren't producing the ethanol back then that we produce now.
Anybody who wants to talk about how "natural" things were on Earth for hundreds of millions of years isn't considering the 7 billion people on the planet now who weren't here then either.
If somebody wants to come up with a way to get rid of about 6,999,900,000 of them,we can probably feed the remaining hundred thousand "naturally" for a few years. Any volunteers to be the first to go?
(quoted from post at 12:04:16 01/14/14) Sustainable? Look at a old Amish farm community and learn to ask questions in German. New Church Mennonites another group o ask--and they"ll be "familiar" in English. Rodale Press had a Small Farm Journal with sustainable ag features, a selected feature collection for that- not sure if still in print since the Small Farm Journal was a personal project of Rodale and was stopped printing when he died few years back. Organic Gardening still round and there reference library section still shows the old issues on occasion. RN
(quoted from post at 15:34:57 01/15/14) Just curious about that better use claim. Unless humans are going to start eating grass there isn't much else large sections of the country can produce. It's not like you plant soybeans or watermelons in the flint hills. If the cattle don't eat the grass there aren't any other takers.
(quoted from post at 20:01:38 01/15/14)(quoted from post at 15:34:57 01/15/14) Just curious about that better use claim. Unless humans are going to start eating grass there isn't much else large sections of the country can produce. It's not like you plant soybeans or watermelons in the flint hills. If the cattle don't eat the grass there aren't any other takers.
How many cattle are finished out in the flint hills?
How many pounds of grain does it take to finish out a beefer?
How many loaves of bread would that grain produce?
How many gallons of water for the beefer?
Where does water come from in Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm a meat eater. I'm sure not giving up my steak any time soon. BUT, I'm not the one that gets my fiddle out and start crying about feeding the world every time organics comes up. The world could far more benefit from an extreme reduction in meat production (especially beef and pork), than it could from me and my fellow organic farmers giving up and spraying out crops.
If you want, I could help you out on the quiz I gave you...
(quoted from post at 18:47:26 01/14/14) this topic is sure to create much heated discussion. my feelings are that we don't need gmo crops but we sure need spray and fertilizer. I don't understand why people will pay twice as much for a lesser product. just the way I look at things.
(quoted from post at 20:55:10 01/16/14) If all farms were forced to go organic and non GMO seeds, like back in the 30's, like a lot of the hippies want, there would be lots of starving people.
Gene
(quoted from post at 21:06:32 01/16/14)(quoted from post at 18:47:26 01/14/14) this topic is sure to create much heated discussion. my feelings are that we don't need gmo crops but we sure need spray and fertilizer. I don't understand why people will pay twice as much for a lesser product. just the way I look at things.
Well there are a lot of lies being spread out there on the world wide web where anyone can profess to be an expert on organics. You only half to scare a small percentage of the sheeple out there to sell a product at an unreal price....that is what I am up against. That is my major pet peeve about organics....people spreading lies in order to justify their prices. Many gullible consumers out there, but I am not going to play that game.
Point is there is a lot of land in the US that is only good for grazing. So raising meat isn't necessary a bad thing. I've seen places in KS with decent grass and bedrock 6" down. Good for beef, not so good for crops. Lot of hill side in KY that the only farm value is pasture too. Now here, in MN where I'm at, land is or can be about 50/50 tillable non tillable. Here the problem is you have to raise hay to feed through the winter. So here it's an economic question of where you are going to make your best money. Feeding cows 4 or 5 months a year or raising a cash crop. Well unless you are going to dump a lot of money into chemicals about the best you are going to do is with hay. So here it's more of each to their own.
If you look at just how many acres are no longer being farmed feeding ourselves really isn't an issue. If needed there is a lot of land that can back into production. Plus world wide there are millions of farmable land that not farmed or under farmed.
Rick
(quoted from post at 05:11:32 01/17/14)
Well said. People saying raising meat instead of green stuff is wasting land or something have never looked at the sub-marginal land (USDA term) we have that would never raise grain or veggies but can grow fine sheep or other ruminants. Where's the waste? If the sheep or cattle aren't on it, it returns to thornbush and scrub brush. Who benefits from that? Deer and rabbits. The land will carry 3 or 4 deer per acre in scrub, but clear it and keep it managed and it'll carry 20 sheep.
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