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A few questions here.

How many of you carry arms as a rule?

Concealed?

How many of you have a permit?

What do you carry.

What is your preferred carry, and why?

I do carry, do have a license, I carry a Ruger .357, 6.5" barrel, I used to do a quick draw, shoulder holster, under a jacket, but mostly just keep it in the truck now, the blazer that I drive.

It is your right by the 2nd amendment.
 
For what it's worth I frequently "possess" a .40 S&W cal... no permit... but then that is MY choice.

Remember ONE THING!! The ONLY (admitted) reason you EVER fire is to "REMOVE THE THREAT.... I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE". PERIOD... no other answer will stand the test.

And you're far better off to NOT have any trigger work, for example, done... anything like that will be perceived as you fantasizing about 'blowing some poor soul away'. Sounds really bad in a court of law.

I'm 'fraid our new leadership, and I use the term LOOSELY!!, will soon make such THOUGHTS tantamount to "TREASON". It is OK, no, ESSENTIAL!! for Pelosi's bodyguards to be armed, but dam sure not the ordinary CITIZENS!!!

Ah, but there goes my no count OPINION again...

But YOU asked!! :-)

duey
 
(quoted from post at 00:39:36 01/24/09) A few questions here.

How many of you carry arms as a rule?

Concealed?

How many of you have a permit?

What do you carry.

What is your preferred carry, and why?

I do carry, do have a license, I carry a Ruger .357, 6.5" barrel, I used to do a quick draw, shoulder holster, under a jacket, but mostly just keep it in the truck now, the blazer that I drive.

It is your right by the 2nd amendment.
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Me. Not on person but in truck. Either 12 ga or .30-30. Prefer 12 ga if going into town. Makes bigger holes. No CHL....eligible but prefer to remain out of the database. Don't need it. Snakes (legs or no legs) aren't gonna ask about it anyways.

Woman came into living room one time to pick up her kids who were in school with mine and had rode the bus over to play. She was apparently a city gal, she looked up and saw 12 ga in its place over front door, said "Is that a real gun?"

"Yeah...why?"

"Well, I certainly hope it's not loaded!"

"Ma'am, if it wasn't loaded, I'd call it a CLUB."

Wonder why she never let her kids never come back over.....
 
ruger super black hawk 44magnum carry in the truck marlin 45/70 goverment lever action guide gun for the house and wife carrys a smithnwesson hammerless 38 not to mention all the other guns we got mossberg shotgun and so on
 
carry=yes
permit=yes

usual carry is a sig saur p-230 in a formed paddle holster.

backup carry is a keltec 32 acp in a ATF approved 'wallet' style holster. Not alot of stopping power.. but easy to conceal in anything from shorts to dress clothes.

I use federal hydrashocks in both.

soundguy
 
Have a permit (Pennsylvania is a shall issue state)
Don't carry 99% of the time. (may do, depending on situation)
Glock 23 (40 S&W) Why: Glocks are like high capacity revolvers, the original point and click interface.
Back when I lived in Florida (med-eighties) I carried a Colt Trooper MkIII at all times. .357 Magnum. Thanfully, never needed it. Was worried about coming across a convenience store or gas station stick-up, as they were rampant back then.

Ray
 
I also carry, always, if your going to do it, DO IT. The one time you
don't might be the time you needed to.I've been carrying for 3
years, legally, since they "gave" us the right here in OH.Hope I
never have to use it, but I'm prepared. I use a Kahr Arms .45,
usually on me, always in my truck.I also have a little .25 in pocket
wherever I go, it never gets in the way. I used to carry my 1911,
which I absolutely love, it's just to heavy for concealed. The Kahr
Arms is thin and light, for a .45, and still packs the punch.I don't
like being on their list either, but I also collect class III stuff and
that puts me there anyway. I gota go try to start my 9 now. Jeff.
 
Why would folks worry about gun registration.... and then post on the Internet what they own and where they keep it?
 
I have a friend I go shopping with.He spends to much time yacking with people in the bank. Ive told him to get in and get out because of hold up danger.He laughed, next week the bank got held up.We missed a fellow taking a woman hostage and stabbing her husband in a drug store holdup and 3 fellows beating a guy up with base ball bats in a shopping center he likes to go to.I carry, he dosent know it.Bank robberies and store holdups are happening often here.Big mall parking lots are dangerous for women.So called home invasions are happening too.Its going to get worse.
 
i carry them in my vehicles at all times,usually the 38spl+p with steel jacketed hollow points in the truck and a ruger .357 mag within arms reach by the bed, i got the steel jacket hollow points in that too, all the others are unloaded and locked up, our kids are grown and gone so not a problem there no grandkids yet when we get those, the guns will go under lock and key while there here, i dont carry on my person usually, so a permit is not required here, when i do carry its for a reason and i feel its my business weather i carry or not nobody will ever know out here, when we travel its always by private vehicle and i take 2, one with arms reach but out of sight in the vehicle and 1 is packed in the overnite bag, that allows me to protect myself and my wife in the motel without ever showing a weapon to others, when staying in a strange town without knowledge of the good spots vs the bad ones in that town i am always in control of the situation that way [ i should mention in my travels over the last 30 years i have never had need of either gun]
 
forgot to mention none of my guns are registared with anybody and ive taken great pains to have it that way most of them ive had for many years what i have and where is not the governments businness or anybody elses, its mine
 
(quoted from post at 11:40:35 01/24/09) When I feel the need to carry it's a 22 mag. Not a lot of power but accurate as heck
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I second that, Pike. I used to carry a little .22 mag pocket pistol loaded with hollow points. The guys at work would tease me about it. I told them I'd rather have a .22 in my pocket than a .44 that was back at the house.
 
Pump 12 gauge with 00 buckshot for home defense.

I have a CHL and I possess a .45 ACP Kimber Ultra Carry which I normally carry in the car and sometimes on my person, especially if I go to Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and so forth. I like my older, bigger Kimber better but it is harder to conceal. I use the .45 for the knock down power, and I have no philosophical problem using deadly force where lawfully allowed. In Texas, that means defense of self, others, and property. (A shorthand explanation of Texas deadly force laws.)
 
Sheesh! With all this firepower on the board, I'm gonna have to be a little more careful to make sure I don't offend anybody! :wink: :wink: :wink:

(P.S. on edit: my 100th post! Break out the champagne! Bring on the noisemakers! Um, whaddaya mean by "overreacting"?)
 
I would carry if I didn't live in Maryland! They don't even want to give judges permits to carry. You almost have to be GOD to get a permit here.
I do have a 12ga. with 3 magnums right by my bed.
 
In Texas we can take a one day class and get a concealed carry permit but we've never had to have a permit to possess a firearm, even a pistol, in some circumstances, among which are:

1. Being a bona fide traveler, which is usually translated to mean crossing a county line for an over night visit.

2. Be on your way to a sporting event such as a shooting competition.

3. Be on your way to or from a gun show.

Of course, it's a God given right for any Texan in good standing to have a rifle or shotgun mounted on a rack inside your pickumup truck.
 
I used to carry a little .22 mag pocket pistol loaded with hollow points. The guys at work would tease me about it.
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Truth be known there's probably more people & animals killed with a .22 than anything!
 
(quoted from post at 18:17:10 01/24/09)
I used to carry a little .22 mag pocket pistol loaded with hollow points. The guys at work would tease me about it.
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Truth be known there's probably more people & animals killed with a .22 than anything!
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Some people make fun of a little ol' .32 but one of the most famous pistols ever made was a little ol' .32 - a PPK. Besides being the chosen instrument of James Bond, 007, they were made in significant numbers in Nazi Germany and continued to be made under Walther license in France after the war before eventually returning to the German plant.
They were carried by thousands of military officers, police, and non-infantry officers in European militaries as personal defense weapons.
They are now being produced in the US by Smith and Wesson under Walther license.

Nice little gun. Also available in 9mm/.380.
 
Well folks, you have now managed to scare the HECK out of me. The concept of having any type of firearm on my person or in my vehicle boggles me. The readiness to "use" one scares me more and the thought of living anywhere near an area that requires the above is mind blowing. I thought the "Right to bear arms" meant you could wear 'T' shirts !! You folks South 'o' the border apparently have some serious issues. The first one is; you can't seem to get past the "color barrier"--people are people and that SHOULD be the end of it! Maybe I should just 'butt-out', but holy moly, it's gettng NUTZ !
 
Good reading! While we're on the subject.
DON TX


: Fw: An ad on Craigslist...

Way to go! st

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah )

I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize.

I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it?

I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster.

I called a bunch of phone s*x numbers from your cell. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well.

So, about your pants; I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky. If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry.

Peace! - Alex
 
(quoted from post at 07:28:45 01/24/09) Why would folks worry about gun registration.... and then post on the Internet what they own and where they keep it?
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Registration lists are later used to go door to door to confiscate them...Ask New Yorkers :)
 
(quoted from post at 19:07:43 01/24/09) Well folks, you have now managed to scare the HECK out of me. The concept of having any type of firearm on my person or in my vehicle boggles me. The readiness to "use" one scares me more and the thought of living anywhere near an area that requires the above is mind blowing. I thought the "Right to bear arms" meant you could wear 'T' shirts !! You folks South 'o' the border apparently have some serious issues. The first one is; you can't seem to get past the "color barrier"--people are people and that SHOULD be the end of it! Maybe I should just 'butt-out', but holy moly, it's gettng NUTZ !
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Geez, Bob. Not one response even hinted that any of us were out to get anyone, just that we were prepared to protect ourselves and our families.
There is no point in having a weapon at hand unless you are mentally prepared, ahead of time, to use it. If someone breaks into my house at night, my first choice would be for them to run away but I'm prepared to use both barrels of a shotgun. If you're not prepared to use it, the gun can, and probably will, be used on you. And you have to assume that they're gonna be armed already.

Of course, you can choose to, oh I don't know, throw a feather pillow at them.

There is no one area that "requires" you to need a weapon for protection. And believe me, there is no one area that is totally safe, either. I don't know what border you are referring to that we are south of? The Rio Grande or the Mason Dixon Line. But I actually feel much safer walking the streets of Dallas, or Houston, or Montgomery than I do in New York or Chicago or Detroit. I suspect there are as many gun owners in the north as in the south.

And you're the only one on this thread that's even hinted at this being a racial issue. What's up with that? Personally, I wouldn't care if the 'bad guy' was pink or purple or puce. He's gonna be bleeding, along with your heart.

I pray that the Lord will keep us and all our families safe. But sometimes you just have to take care of yourself.

Cheers.
 
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(quoted from post at 07:28:45 01/24/09) Why would folks worry about gun registration.... and then post on the Internet what they own and where they keep it?
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Registration lists are later used to go door to door to confiscate them...Ask New Yorkers :)
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Yep. First they burn down the Reichstag (twin towers) and pass the Nuremburg Laws (Patriot Act) to delete citizen's rights and protections. Then they gather up all the guns to "protect" us from ourselves.
 
(quoted from post at 22:53:35 01/24/09) The city of Kennesaw GA requires evey head of house hold to own and maintain a gun.

They have the lowest crime stitics in the country.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n15_v46/ai_15729634
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A third-generation lawman who worked his way up from patrol duty, Chief Wilson looks the part with his close-cropped hair and robust build. He says people, not guns, are the fundamental problem: "People are going to find ways to kill people if that is what they want to do." The chief doubts the worth of gun buybacks, but he is interested, musing dryly that he's got "several old pieces" he could swap for a nice new pair of tennis shoes.

Over at the Shanty House Country Restaurant, manager Judy Turner flashes a smile when asked about the gun law. "We don't have a [crime] problem like they do other places," she says, because would-be crooks "all know we'll have guns."
 
Being the rock ribbed, die-hard, exponent of 2nd Amendment rights that I am, I have a CCW permit and carry when I so choose. Sometimes a .45 auto, other times a snubnosed .38 special, or often a little .25 auto. The .25 is no howitzer, but it is VERY accurate and reliable at a range for personal defense. For the probability of "serious business", I'll take my 60+ year old .45 auto, excellent accuracy and dependability, bone crushing knock down power.
Mr. Bob
 
I have a hard time seeing why folks would spend $600, $700, or more for some of these foreign built, little stubby, sharp-cornered, bulky automatics they sell these days.

It's hard to beat a good ol' Colt 1911 Gov't. It's flat-sided and fits in the waistband so easily to be concealed, and it don't need no fancy bullets to get the job done right, first time.
 
Well, I've only lived in northern cities, Detroit and Chicago, the crime was terrible. I now live in a nice rural area, but if I lived I Minneapolis, (which would never happen) I would have a permit and carry. Of course here I'm loaded for racoons, possums and feral cats. Plenty of us in the north are loaded for vermin. Remember what happened after the L.A. riots? People were going to gun shops and begging for a gun. Of course they couldn't get one, they have a waiting period. You're either the prey or the predator, like it or not! Nothing makes my day more than hearing about a criminal getting his rear handed to him.
 
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(quoted from post at 22:18:52 01/24/09)
(quoted from post at 07:28:45 01/24/09) Why would folks worry about gun registration.... and then post on the Internet what they own and where they keep it?
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Registration lists are later used to go door to door to confiscate them...Ask New Yorkers :)
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Yep. First they burn down the Reichstag (twin towers) and pass the Nuremburg Laws (Patriot Act) to delete citizen's rights and protections. Then they gather up all the guns to "protect" us from ourselves.
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Which right that you as a US citizen exercise, has been infringed upon by the evil patriot act?
 
24 yr veteran police officer here. Was a local, an became a state trooper. Been carrying off duty for, well, 24 yrs. Never needed to use it off duty, (to actually "discharge"it, that is), but never wanted to find myself in a position where I needed it and didn't have it.

I've read this, and agree with it.

There are three kinds of people:

Sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs.

Sheep follow the rules, don't ask questions, are tolerant of most anything, and are happy as clams as long as they're warm, dry and fed.

Wolves eat sheep. Any time, anywhere. They don't like sheepdogs because they interfere with the wolves having their way with sheep anytime they want. Wolves have sharp teeth, bad dispositions, and no regard for rules.

Sheep dogs watch the sheep. They dislike the wolves and will do anything to protect the sheep. Unfortunately, they bear a striking resemblence to wolves, sharp teeth and all, and the sheep really aren't too fond of them. They make the sheep nervous. The sheep would just as soon not have the sheep dogs around either.

That is, until a wolf shows up.


Substitute "majority of the public" for sheep, "criminals" for wolves, "police, military, etc" for sheepdogs, and "GUNS" for teeth, and you get the picture. Problem is, there are far more sheep than sheep dogs, and the pasture is huge. Sheepdogs can't be everywhere, all the time, and, frankly, the sheep don't like them being there in the first place.
So, if you are a sheep you have two options:

Don't bi+ch when you get eaten.
or
Become a sheepdog.

I carry religiously. I consider myself a sheep dog, and woe unto thee who molests my sheep. (especially my personal flock, my family)
I will not find myself with the training, abiility, and resolve to defend my family or friends, and NOT have the tools.
I carry a Glock .40, model 27 off duty, and a model 22 on duty. Fine weapon. I didn't like them at first, being "plastic" and all, but I am the range officer and a primary instructor for my dept and have shot a LOT of ammo through them. They are very very forgiving, dependable, simple and accurate. I was a traditional "wood and steel" guy, until I HAD to carry a polymer. Then I saw it was a good thing.
Some folks really liked their bag phones with the antenna and the extra wattage... until they HAD to switch to the little cell phone w/ much less power.. now how many would switch back?
 
(quoted from post at 05:39:36 01/24/09) A few questions here.

How many of you carry arms as a rule?

Concealed?

How many of you have a permit?

What do you carry.

What is your preferred carry, and why?

I do carry, do have a license, I carry a Ruger .357, 6.5" barrel, I used to do a quick draw, shoulder holster, under a jacket, but mostly just keep it in the truck now, the blazer that I drive.

It is your right by the 2nd amendment.
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They thought they could disarm Josey Wales,,, I best I remember he toted 4
http://www.filmesmm.blogger.com.br/The Outlaw Josey Wales.jpg

Best clip of the movie
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(quoted from post at 01:38:49 01/25/09)

Which right that you as a US citizen exercise, has been infringed upon by the evil patriot act?
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Let's start with the most insidious and see if this answers it: My right to conduct a private transaction with a privately-owned bank or corporate (privately-owned, not government entity) utility company or with the post office (claimed as privately owned but all a sham) without having to PROVE who I am and that I belong here!

Used to be, you wanted to turn lights on at a house, you go pay a deposit and shazam, they're on. Now, thanks to the Patriot Act, the utilities are required to get positive identification, ostensibly so that if bombs are found in that house during a DEA raid, they can identify the guy who pays the light bill, or some such crap.

It's all about control and gathering of information.

Your papers please!
 
...Which right that you as a US citizen exercise, has been infringed upon by the evil patriot act?
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First Amendment - Freedom of religion, speech, assembly,
and the press.
Fourth Amendment - Freedom from unreasonable searches
and seizures.
Fifth Amendment - No person to be deprived of life, liberty or
property without due process of law.
Sixth Amendment - Right to a speedy public trial by an
impartial jury, right to be informed of the facts of the accusation,
right to confront witnesses and have the assistance of counsel.
Eighth Amendment - No excessive bail or cruel and unusual
punishment shall be imposed.
Fourteenth Amendment - All persons (citizens and noncitizens)
within the US are entitled to due process and the
equal protection of the laws.

In case you haven't read it, The "Patriot Act":
Expands terrorism laws to include “domestic terrorism” which
could subject political organizations to surveillance, wiretapping,
harassment, and criminal action for political advocacy.

Expands the ability of law enforcement to conduct secret
searches, gives them wide powers of phone and Internet
surveillance, and access to highly personal medical, financial,
mental health, and student records with minimal judicial oversight.

Allows FBI Agents to investigate American citizens for criminal
matters without probable cause of crime if they (FBI) say it is for
“intelligence purposes.”
 
Just to clarify; the 'south ' meant below the 49th parallel and the 'color barrier' meant the endless/mindless repetition by the media regarding the recent inauguration. I understand there are lots of armed evildoers out there and have chosen not to live near any concentrations of same.
 
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...Which right that you as a US citizen exercise, has been infringed upon by the evil patriot act?
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First Amendment - Freedom of religion, speech, assembly,
and the press.
Fourth Amendment - Freedom from unreasonable searches
and seizures.
Fifth Amendment - No person to be deprived of life, liberty or
property without due process of law.
Sixth Amendment - Right to a speedy public trial by an
impartial jury, right to be informed of the facts of the accusation,
right to confront witnesses and have the assistance of counsel.
Eighth Amendment - No excessive bail or cruel and unusual
punishment shall be imposed.
Fourteenth Amendment - All persons (citizens and noncitizens)
within the US are entitled to due process and the
equal protection of the laws.

In case you haven't read it, The "Patriot Act":
Expands terrorism laws to include “domestic terrorism” which
could subject political organizations to surveillance, wiretapping,
harassment, and criminal action for political advocacy.

Expands the ability of law enforcement to conduct secret
searches, gives them wide powers of phone and Internet
surveillance, and access to highly personal medical, financial,
mental health, and student records with minimal judicial oversight.

Allows FBI Agents to investigate American citizens for criminal
matters without probable cause of crime if they (FBI) say it is for
“intelligence purposes.”
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"...Which right that you as a US citizen exercise, has been infringed upon by the evil patriot act?"
I would have read his question literally, i.e., "which right that YOU....."

Therefore, nondem's question remains unanswered, as I see it.
 
sgtbull, that's a wonderful fairey tale about sheep/wolves/dogs but the problem I see it (as a former police officer) is that down here in Texas the courts have already ruled that it is NOT the job of the police to "protect" the populace. Practical experience confirms that fact, as the law enforcement response is notoriously inadequate if a violent crime is underway. The solution on which we hopefully agree for most sheep is to be armed.

I love Bill Ruger's response to the radio reporter who asked him (following the Killeen Luby's restaraunt massacre) "So how do you feel to learn one of your pistols killed all those innocent people?"

Mr. Ruger responded, "The problem isn't that one of my pistols killed those innocents.... the problem is that all of those people didn't have one of my pistols."

(quotes are approximate, as I recall hearing the radio report related.)
 
...I would have read his question literally, i.e., "which right that YOU....."

Therefore, nondem's question remains unanswered, as I see it.
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"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government." — Thomas Paine

If ANY person has his rights abrogated...then we ALL suffer the same fate. It is the responsibility of every citizen to protect and defend the rights of every other person.

Only United States Citizens have the privilege to vote, but all people regardless of where they are or where they come from have the very same natural rights as U.S. citizens. In the United States the original political power comes from the people, not it's citizens. Citizens often find themselves concerned with the privileges granted them by the government, but as people we do not exist by privilege, we exist by right.

The people, from which all political power flows, are not subjects to the government, they are the sovereign, and the government is subject to them. The Constitution of the United States established the government in this way to prevent the people from using their privilege to vote as a weapon in which to abrogate and derogate the rights of others. There have been many people who have stated since 9/11 that they would gladly give up some of their rights if that meant more security. Of all the natural rights that the people do have, no one has the right to give up their rights. We were all born with our natural rights and could not give them up anymore than we could give up our DNA. When people claim they would willingly give up their rights for a more secure country, do they realize that they are offering to give up the rights of all people? This can not be done. Not without first destroying the Constitution of the United States and re-writing it so that it allows the government to grant rights. Of course, once governments find the right to grant rights, they can then take them away.

This is the problem with the "Patriot Act". If it takes away a single person's rights...it takes away ALL OUR RIGHTS... [b:f014ea80fe]and therefore mine.[/b:f014ea80fe]
 
(quoted from post at 14:18:13 01/25/09)
...I would have read his question literally, i.e., "which right that YOU....."

Therefore, nondem's question remains unanswered, as I see it.
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"It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government." — Thomas Paine

If ANY person has his rights abrogated...then we ALL suffer the same fate. It is the responsibility of every citizen to protect and defend the rights of every other person.

Only United States Citizens have the privilege to vote, but all people regardless of where they are or where they come from have the very same natural rights as U.S. citizens. In the United States the original political power comes from the people, not it's citizens. Citizens often find themselves concerned with the privileges granted them by the government, but as people we do not exist by privilege, we exist by right.

The people, from which all political power flows, are not subjects to the government, they are the sovereign, and the government is subject to them. The Constitution of the United States established the government in this way to prevent the people from using their privilege to vote as a weapon in which to abrogate and derogate the rights of others. There have been many people who have stated since 9/11 that they would gladly give up some of their rights if that meant more security. Of all the natural rights that the people do have, no one has the right to give up their rights. We were all born with our natural rights and could not give them up anymore than we could give up our DNA. When people claim they would willingly give up their rights for a more secure country, do they realize that they are offering to give up the rights of all people? This can not be done. Not without first destroying the Constitution of the United States and re-writing it so that it allows the government to grant rights. Of course, once governments find the right to grant rights, they can then take them away.

This is the problem with the "Patriot Act". If it takes away a single person's rights...it takes away ALL OUR RIGHTS... [b:fd2d505bdd]and therefore mine.[/b:fd2d505bdd]
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"Not without first destroying the Constitution of the United States and re-writing it so that it allows the government to grant rights. "

Someone we all recognize, seems to think that would be a good idea. He said that as it exists, the "Constitution is fundamentally flawed".

"To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."

Among politicians, someone once said, "there is not a dimes worth of difference..."
 
The Constitution IS fundamentally flawed....because it allows elected representatives to write laws that subvert the Constitution to stand until the courts strike the law down. (I believe the courts should rule on each/every law as to constitutionality prior to dockets being created.)

No law should stand if it's unconstitutional, but the problem is that someone must be prosecuted under the law AND they must then defend themselves FLAWLESSLY in order to get appeals to the highest court for a constitutional review. The Patriot Act is unconstitutional yet it stands until tested in the Supreme Court...which has not ruled upon it because none of the detainees have been tried in U.S. court. That means if YOU or I ever get arrested and detained in similar fashion, we can rot in jail as well. Therefore the Patriot Act has infringed upon MY right. Yours too.
 
The Constitution IS fundamentally flawed....because it allows elected representatives to write laws that subvert the Constitution to stand until the courts strike the law down. (I believe the courts should rule on each/every law as to constitutionality prior to dockets being created.)

No law should stand if it's unconstitutional, but the problem is that someone must be prosecuted under the law AND they must then defend themselves FLAWLESSLY in order to get appeals to the highest court for a constitutional review. The Patriot Act is unconstitutional yet it stands until tested in the Supreme Court...which has not ruled upon it because none of the detainees have been tried in U.S. court. That means if YOU or I ever get arrested and detained in similar fashion, we can rot in jail as well. Therefore the Patriot Act has infringed upon MY right. Yours too.
 
May, I now throw the "monkey wrench", and let yall know the true state of the Union?

Please everyone that has the bandwidth needs to watch these, and if you don't have the bandwidth, find a way to download them and watch them.

I think we are entering some serious times.

**DEC. Alert** US to be CUT OFF from World - Baltic Dry Index Falls 93%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXATSV8S3-M

After the Economic Collapse, Survival Gear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzbXcgaRZmc&NR=1

In this last video, Iceland has already collapsed.
 
Are we about to have to learn to live off the land again?

While protecting ourselves from our neighbors?

I think the more rural you are, the better your chance is.

The more you can band together with your local neighbors, and they are your friends, the more likely you can survive.

Is it hype, or just a "doomsday saying", I am a believer in Dec 21, 2012.

If you don't know what that means, do a Google search for it.

http://www.google.com/search?source...p;rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS273US273&q=Dec+21,+2012

I do believe that there are a few folks here that can come close to going back to the old ways, but I am not sure that there are many, including myself that can go back far before gasoline.

I have plowed mules, and horses, never plowed oxen, I do remember things that my grandaddy taught me, before he died, when I was 10 years old, in 1966.

I know a lot about surviving off the land, but how much competition will there be?

Just some things to think about.

Are you prepaired?

I have a drilled 139' well for water, that is not a problem, but might would have to pull the pump, and draw it by hand.
 
Ive never left the old ways but the current generation is too fat and lazy to do it.High real estate taxes,fuel costs, electric costs and dipstick laws make it impossible to live simply in many states.Maine isnt to bad but its changing.Massachusetts says you cant live without electric power or use an out house.A camp back in the woods must have an electric water heater.I have not worked with a horse for 40 years, dont think I want too.When I first came up into Maine in the mid 50s I saw boys coming out of a one school house with Winchester 94 rifle.They hunted deer on the way home.Aint gonna happen now.The simple life will drive the new generation nuts.10 years later I bought a place in Maine.A fellow bought a rifle from a pawn shop in a small town .He walked home a short distance, just happened to be a school beyond his house.People called the cops.Sheriff checked him out, no problem.Theres no going back, glad Im 71, future looks bad.
 
(quoted from post at 13:48:25 01/25/09) Just to clarify; the 'south ' meant below the 49th parallel and the 'color barrier' meant the endless/mindless repetition by the media regarding the recent inauguration. I understand there are lots of armed evildoers out there and have chosen not to live near any concentrations of same.
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I hear you, Bob. I, too, live north of the 49th and this is how it is here: we don't lock our doors, in case someone wants/needs to come in, we leave the keys in the car; can't lose em that way, we use "far arms" to hunt with; they are registered (handguns are restricted and carry permits must be co-signed by God), we know and trust our neighbours; they are all good folks. There is no way I would choose to live anywhere else. There is no way I would live anywhere where I felt I had to go armed every day. That just doesn't make for comfortable living.
No offense intended to anyone on this board, just my .02
 

The "Baltic Dry Index" video is patently erroneous in it's conclusions. The premis is based upon a statement that shipping is in a slow down, yet it takes such a long time to build new ships that capacity will not exist when demand is required. I hope no one is so incapable of seeing the error in that logic. Supply and demand will still prevail. The only problem will be that credit may restrict who the players are. (And oh-yeah.... the U.S. is not going to be "isolated" due to any inability of the U.S. to purchase grain. The U.S. is a net exporter.)
 
Dunk, there are a few of us who have the land, the skills and the knowledge to survive. I don't share your fear that that will be necessary in the near future. The world is not in that bad shape yet. Life as we know it will change, but we will adapt and learn to like it. Knowledge of how to be self-sufficient will always be at a premium and will benefit the owner immensely.
 
Belgrade Maine, a very rural town on 2 lakes.Two men in masks broke in on an old man who is 87 and. deaf.Cut his phone line, tied him to a chair and beat him trying to get him to tell where he kept his money.When they figured out he was deaf they made him write it.After they left he got free and drove to his daughters home.This happened last night.I know the area well,being rural didnt protect the man and you can be sure his neigh bors didnt do this.These punks look for isolated homes to break in on.They had masks and snowmobile suits.I figure they used snowmobiles to get out of area.These incidents are called home invasions by the news media. I call them armed robberies.They used a knife to threaten the man.I keep my 38 within easy reach.Some day you will know why I do this.Crime is moving north because of drugs.My doors are locked and my guns are handy.
 
(quoted from post at 08:31:29 01/27/09) Belgrade Maine, a very rural town on 2 lakes.Two men in masks broke in on an old man who is 87 and. deaf.Cut his phone line, tied him to a chair and beat him trying to get him to tell where he kept his money.When they figured out he was deaf they made him write it.After they left he got free and drove to his daughters home.This happened last night.I know the area well,being rural didnt protect the man and you can be sure his neigh bors didnt do this.These punks look for isolated homes to break in on.They had masks and snowmobile suits.I figure they used snowmobiles to get out of area.These incidents are called home invasions by the news media. I call them armed robberies.They used a knife to threaten the man.I keep my 38 within easy reach.Some day you will know why I do this.Crime is moving north because of drugs.My doors are locked and my guns are handy.
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I work for a company that has an establishment in Caribou (I bet that narrows that down considerably)(I don't do airplanes, ever).

I could have paid, free trips there if I wanted.

I never lost anything above the Mason Dixon.

It was probably close to 70* here this afternoon.

Did anyone watch the video about what happend in just a few days in Iceland, or is it all denial, gahorN?
 
I have another one for you gahorN.

As "Commander in Chief", or ever how you say it.

He may have just lost a lot of respect from the folks that he will need to be counting on.



external_link blows off Medal of Honor recipients

Barack external_link may have stumbled over his words briefly during his inauguration, but he made an even bigger blunder later Tuesday evening. The newly sworn-in President opted not to appear at what should have been one of the most important Balls on his agenda that evening - The Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.

The Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball was begun in 1953 for President Dwight Eisenhower's inauguration. The event recognized recipients of the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military award. There were 48 Medal of Honor recipients in attendance, who were undoubtedly disappointed by the Commander-in-Chief's failure to show. Over the past 56 years and 14 inaugurations, no President has skipped this event - until now.

The Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball is sponsored by the American Legion, and co-sponsored by 13 other veteran's service organizations, including those such as the Paralyzed Veterans of America and the Military Order of the Purple Heart.

Instead of attending this ball honoring our nation's heroes, external_link was busy making stops at 10 other official balls. external_link and his wife's first stop was at the Neighborhood Ball. From there they went to the Home State Ball for Illinois and Hawaii, the Commander-in-Chief Ball, the Youth Inaugural Ball, and the Home State Ball for Delaware and Pennsylvania. They finished off the night with brief appearances at the Mid-Atlantic, Western, Midwest, Eastern, and Southern regional Balls.

Celebrities were a plenty at the balls, with Stevie Wonder, Shakira, Mary. J. Blige, Faith Hill, Jay-Z, Alicia Keys, Adam Levine, will.i.am, Sting, Mariah Carey, and Leonardo DiCaprio in attendance at the Neighborhood Ball. In addition, the other nine balls also featured a star-studded lineup including Kanye West and Kid Rock at the Youth Ball, Marc Anthony at the Western Ball, and Cheryl Crow at the Western Ball.

It was the party without all of the celebrities that external_link skipped. The very people who he sought to have support him during his candidacy and campaign, who have fought to protect this country, were snubbed in favor of publicity and the opportunity to rub shoulders - yet again - with the out-of-touch Hollywood elite.

Larry F. Lowe (Cheeflow)
Past Commander
American Legion Post 170
[email protected] <*\\\\><

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=7224
 
Well '36' I just can't justify having a gun ( read pistol), I DO have a gun, a .22 LR/Over, 20 Guage/under which is a pretty nasty item, no rapid fire, but a .22 LR will kill just about anything (if hit in the right place) and a 20 guage slug will drop a moose. I DO NOT advocate carrying a handgun for the simple reason " if the other phukker has one and sees yours, he is more likely to shoot first" end result--NOT good.
 
(quoted from post at 23:10:19 01/27/09) Well '36' I just can't justify having a gun ( read pistol), I DO have a gun, a .22 LR/Over, 20 Guage/under which is a pretty nasty item, no rapid fire, but a .22 LR will kill just about anything (if hit in the right place) and a 20 guage slug will drop a moose. I DO NOT advocate carrying a handgun for the simple reason " if the other phukker has one and sees yours, he is more likely to shoot first" end result--NOT good.
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If you carry, the first thing the opponent should see is muzzle flash. Don't pull it unless you intend to fire it.
 

Well, Dunk... I guess you just want to tell the "truth according to Dunk", heh?

Why didn't you include the official response of the American Legion?

Here's the "rest of the story" for those who care more about truth and less about generating hatred among Americans:

"...the Legion's media relations manager Craig Roberts wrote, "President external_link was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe nnalert did appear, however, and was very warmly received. [b:5f55cc4621]The new President's absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or 'snubbed.'" [/b:5f55cc4621] (emphasis added by me)
 
If you guys are interested at all, here is a good, clean forum that started a few months ago. It was started by a N.C. Trooper and a retired S.F. 1st Sgt who are pretty good about keeping the flaming and profanity down. It's a spin-off of a diesel truck forum, so most memebers will have a lot in common besides just guns. Enjoy.

http://www.gun-forums.com/
 
Belgrade is west of Augusta,I figure the punks used a snowmobile to get away on one of the lakes.This did not happen in Maine 20 years ago but it is common place now.
 
(quoted from post at 06:48:26 01/28/09) Concealed is the word.Many unarmed store clerks are shot in holdups.A 2 inch 38 or 357 fits nicely in a coat pocket.
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Bill Jordan wrote in his book "No Second Place Winner" that the legends of fast-draw duelists who "outdrew" armed opponents are all myths. The FIRST person to pull a gun will always have the advantage of getting off the first shot. The concealed handgun in the coat pocket will not easily be brought into action against an armed assailant who already has presented a weapon.
The need for constant alertness to all persons presenting themselves at your front door, in your business, or on the street.... being alert to your surroundings and those within it... are paramount to personal defense. Such constant attention is fatiquing and will usually result in eventual laxity and/or error in judgment with the potential for tragedy. But it's possible to keep in mind that every visitor to your front door is a threat until determined otherwise.

Thieves, those that break and enter vacant premises do not pose a threat to you unless they are surprised by your arrival. (Be alert to notice open doors or strange vehicles when returning to your home. This is a true value to a good alarm system in that it will alert you to burglary before you re-enter your home, and you can remain clear of the area, retreat to a safe place, and notify law enforcement. Do not try to be a lone ranger in such circumstances, and educate your loved ones.
 
I have no objection to shooting a hole in my coat pocket.Assailant will never see my gun.Last burglar I stopped had 3 tires shot out with a 357.He said O thank you ,thank you when the sheriff cuffed him.I use a 6 inch 357 for heavy duty work.38 is my travel gun.Pocket guns should have a bobbed hammer.Willingness to shoot and shoot accurately is most important.
 
A young man who used to work with me stopped at a 7-11 on the way home from work. He went back to his car and got in. Suddenly, his passenger door flew open and a man leaned in with a big knife and said "Give me your wallet, Bro!" My friend had already reached under a towel on the seat next to him, pulling up a short barrel 12 guage shotgun and chambered a shell in a heart beat.
The dude dropped his knife and screamed "Don't shoot me, Bro! Don't shoot me!" He dropped to his knees and wept like a baby until the cops arrived and hauled him away. He was probably in need of some clean britches, too.
Had the bad guy had a pistol. My friend would have turned over his wallet. You don't pull down on someone who already has a gun in your face. But this idiot made the mistake of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
 
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