OT-Mosin

[Tom Jubilee]

Purchased a Mosin Nagant rifle over Thanksgiving holidays. Just got a chance to shoot it today. Sweet gun for the dollars.

 

[souNdguy]

yep.. about the only cheaper bolt gun you can get is a turkish 8mm mauser.. and heck.. I'd rather have the 7.62x54r anyway..

soundguy

 

[CJ in Michigan]

http://7.62x54r.net/


Here's a good site for that rifle. I got one this year- plenty of bang for the buck, just have to clean out the primer salts with ammonia/water when done shooting for the day-

 

[Bruce (VA)]

Yep, nice gun for the money. I enjoy shooting mine. Only problem I've ever had w/ mine is that after about 60 rounds the bolt doesn't want to close. As was explained to be by a gunsmith, Ivan didn't design it for rapid fire!

 

[souNdguy]

darned tight machined tolerances.. just the opposite of the sks.. which is a pretty loose gun.. ak 47 too.. of course I expect a bolt gun to be tighter than a gas operated gun..

soundguy

 

[old]

Yep nice gun. I have had 3 or 4 of them over the years and reload them. They have the hit like the 30-06 and take the same amount of powder for each when I have reloaded them. I am still looking for the long barrel hex top one with the factory scope. One like what I want will knock an apple off a person head at 500 yards, but I'll not be the one with the apple on my head LOL

 

[old]

I reload them because at last time I got ammo $20 per box of 20 it cost to much to shoot one. Did you know they where made so you could shoot a 30-06 bullet out of it and if you needed to also the 8MM German styer round could be used in them. I found that out years ago when I really got into reloading the 7.62-54 and the rounds I have I use a match grade hollow point by Serra. One of these days I'll buy the Lebel dies so I can neck up the 7-62X54 to 8MM for the Styer I have hanging on the wall

 

[old]

Should have asked which model did you get. The carbine M38 short barrel type of the M98 long barrel one that is about 4 foot long

 

[souNdguy]

buy the 54r as milsurp. I can get 20rnds for 4-5$ per paper packaged pack.

how about this weird one.. I have a steyr manlicher in 8x50R (vs the common 8x56r.. and it's not lebel compatible either... )

 

[old]

The steyr I have is the straight pull bolt type not even sure I would even want to try to shoot it in fear of the bolt not locking as it should and that would be one heck of a black eye that I sure do not want. Been hanging on my living room wall now for over a decade with the U.S. Flag in its barrel

 

[souNdguy]

those straight pull bolts use rotating locking lugs.. usually 2 on the good models. can test with a piece of dowel rod to see if the lugs are locking.

I have a schmidt ruben that's the same way.

both are bang on good guns..

soundguy

 

[Tom Jubilee]

M91/30... 48 1/2 "---28.7" barrel

 

[Tom Jubilee]

Old...I am shooting Russian new ammo..100 rounds $39.95---Also got surplus at $81.95 for 440 rounds.

 

[Cutty]

My Mosin is a 1917 Remington, faily rare from what I'm told. Anybody else have an ATI synthetic stock on theirs? Almost makes it a modern rifle. I get my ammo cheap from Cheaper than Dirt.

 

[Anonymous-0]

After seeing the movie "Enemy at the Gates" I had to go buy one. Great rifle and great movie.

 

[old]

Ya and if it is like my 7.62X54 it will kick like a mule which is another reason I do not/have not shot it. Shoot I have not shot my 7.62X54 in years because the old back does not like that thump

 

[old]

May have the numbers wrong but yep what is or was called the shape shooters model. Had one of them but it got burned up when my parents house burned down. Funny how I never could find any of it. But then it was funny how there place burned so the guy who set the fire or at least who we believe set it may have walked away with that gun. Hex top or round top??

 

[old]

Berden primed most likely and could well be that nasty corrosive powder to boot. I have a bunch of the tracer rounds for the M38 carbine I have plus some armor piercing stuff

 

[36 Coupe]

An 8mm bullet would measure .323. the Russian would measure .311.Not good.A .308 bullet slips right in to the muzzle of my Enfield.Russian barrels do vary 308 to 311.

 

[lha]

I bought a rifle +/- 10yrs ago,and it looks like the gun in pic[no offense-but blurry,can't do any better myself].doesn't have any markings I can see except #s and a small circle with an arrow? through it and small letters KE inside circle.other side of breach,more arrows,with tiny e in the middle On the top aft of sights,are letters SA in a rectangle,and SY below it.There are # on each side of breach.It has belt loops for a sling,and the slots are protected by brass plates on both sides.I was told it's a 7.65 mm calibre.Anybody know anything about this gun I'd apreciate the help.I've been told it'sa 1960 Russian Olympic model[from Shooter's Bible.---lha

 

[oldtanker]

Lot of Soviet stuff was designed to shoot whatever the enemy was using allowing them to use captured ammo. Yea you sacrifice accuracy but they were never big on that anyway relying on mass wave tactics/mass fire instead. The AK was not a Soviet design. Was developed very late in WWII by the Germans. In fact the generals who got it onto the battle field did so against the express orders of Hitler himself. Kalashnikov took the design, made it cheaper/easyer to produce by replacing the milled reciever with stamped steel plus several other mods and came up with one of the most succesful assualt rifles ever designed.

On another note the Soviets during WWII became experts at repairing damaged equipemnt, both thiers and the Germans and putting it back into service. The US Army was teaching BDAR (battle field damage assement and repair) a few years ago before I retired (96). The basic concept of the program came into being because of what the Soviets had done in WWII.

Rick

 

[douglloyd]

Have never messed with Mausers or Nagants. I like my M-14 (M1A) in 7.62x54 and the Enfield Mk4 in .303 (rimmed) beats all for fun to shoot rapid fire bolt.

How come all these tractor guys like to shoot milsurp iron? This is GREAT!

Doug

 

[G6 at Snook, TX]

I have to offer an opinion on "Enemy at the Gates". For the most part it was a bad movie from my perspective. The most accurate thing in the whole movie was the opening scenes with that suicidal Russian attack. The scene where Khrushchev (Hoskins) offers the gun to the disgraced Field Marshal to off himself was about right as well. I teach history for a living on the college level and I have read some and talked with better military historians that know Stalingrad and their opinion is close to what I expressed. Entertaining, but largely "based on a true story" sort of movie making.

For my money, I like a good AK or SKS for shooting fun. I use an M1 Garand to shoot hogs on our place. I got it from the CMP for a good price.

I work on N tractors for relaxation and aggravation.

 

[Jerry WI]

Cabelas has them in their ad this week for $99.00 complete with bayonet and sling. Ad states they are Russian surplus.

 

[C.R.]

well my old .303 brit kicks like a MULE those boys back then were tough(and motivated)

 

[old]

Ya I know the measurements but I also know in WW2 it was done more then once just to have ammo to throw back to the guy who was throwing stuff at you.
Yeo funny how a 30-06 is a 7.62X51 but uses a .310 bullet and the Russian 7.62X54 uses a .311 bullet and if you switch those around you have guns that you can not hit the side of a barn with

 

[old]

Pretty simple most older Mil. firearms are cheap to buy and can be dropped kicked taken swimming and still fire at what ever you need to fire at. Few civilian firearms will do that and still hit the side of a barn. My self I carry a Russian SKS for a deer rifle and have for over a decade now and it sure has put down a lot of deer over the years

 

[DON TX]

Do you use a scope on your SKS? I'm looking for one but not sure how to mount. Any suggestions?
DON TX

 

[old]

Yep both my SKS have scopes on them. Cheaper then dirt sells both the mount and the scopes. There are other places that also have the stuff you need. When I got both the ones I have one is Russian and one is Chinese I got them from a local pawn shop and he had every thing I needed to put a scope on them from the get go. The wife's with is the China has a 6X40 scope and mine has a 4X32

 

[Anonymous-0]

Rick, we were doing it in WW2. Read Belton Coopers book "Death Traps, Survival of an American Armoured Division". Lt Cooper was an Ordinance officer in 3rd Armoured Division during WW2. Reporting battle damage and equipment recovery was his job. I was in 3AD from 1982-1984, we trained for assement and recovery then. Our ordinance officers were trained at APG Maryland.

 

[Tom Jubilee]

Round..1943 production date

 

[old]

I have a carbine model of the same rifle that is a round top also. Had a hex top years ago but it was so bad as for the rifling's being wore out you could not zero it in. But when I got it it was sold to me as an Italian 7.65X?? so that in it's self would make it shoot odd if it had been shot much that way

 

[Anonymous-0]

I wonder what you thought was so bad about the movie. It was never presented as a documentary. The weapons and uniforms were accurate, Stalingrad was reduced to rubble, Soviet (not Russian) women snipers existed, the tractor factory (I'm content legal) was real, the weather was miserable, Stalin prohibited the evacuation of civilians, all units had political officers, there were not enough rifles for everyone, the German Air force constantly attacked troop transport boats, I am sure someone had a romance, and when Soviet troops retreated were shot by their own troops. As Stalin said, It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Soviet army. True, no evidence exists of a Major Erwin Koning but they had to have a story. Likewise, the Rangers never searched for Private Ryan, but that was a good movie.

In Tora Tora Tora, Pearl Harbor was attacked with T6 and SNJ aircraft, in Midway toward the end of the movie Chuck Heston crashed and burned on the deck of a carrier but the aircraft was a Phantom jet, not a WW2 fighter. In Patton the when the Germans attacked Bastone they were using M48 tanks, holding M1 Garands,wearing US unifoms and they were in the desert. Fort Irwin is my guess. None of that happened, but all good movies I think.

I also hame a CMP M1 along with a 1903, 1903A3, 1917, M1 Carbine, Krag and the army versions of the H&R, Mossberg and Kimber 22s. The M1 is my least favorite to shoot, only because I handload, and it is chore to clean.

 

[SteveRusssell]

In regards to the possible interchangeability of ammo:
US mortar 81mm - Russian 82mm
US Machine Gun Cal .50 - Chicom .52
I feel sure that the US made 81mm mortar rounds would function in the Russian 82mm tube. Whether or not our 50cal rounds would work in the Chi-com 52 I don't know.

 

[G6 at Snook, TX]

Truthfully, I like the movie Patton even if the military hardware is less than accurate. From what I have read about about the man, the movie hits his ego and personality spot on. It made Patton a long term historical figure that I am not sure he would have achieved had the movie never come out. The only inaccurate thing about the movie Patton played by George C. Scott verses the real life Patton was that the real McCoy had a high pitched voice. It has its accuracies and glaring inaccuracies. I enjoyed it much more than the "Enemy at the Gates".

Tora Tora Tora got the history mostly right even if the equipment was wrong. Not a favorite of mine."Pearl Harbor" stunk. It missed the point.

"Enemy at the Gates" stunk because of the unnecessary romance story line. I also thought it made the battle, probably the turning point in the east, hinge on a shoot out between snipers? Not bloody likely. As I said earlier, I never cared much for it and I realize that is "based on a true story or events".

The best part of "Saving Private Ryan" was the first 20 minutes or so when they come in on Omaha. The only thing it needed was the smell of the battlefield in addition to all the other sights and sounds.

Scott, living in San Francisco, I am surprised they haven't run you out of town for owning so many guns. I would love to own a Krag-Jorgensen, but I haven't exactly worked too hard to find one. The Spanish-American War proved its shortcomings.

 

[G6 at Snook, TX]

Stalin and the Communists were murderous bastards. Millions dead, in fact. I have a poster of Stalin and Lenin in my office with Marx. It was an old 1930s poster advocating teaching children Communism. Never have received a complaint. But if I hung a Nazi propaganda poster up, I would be hauled down to the Inquisition office in a heartbeat.

Funny how things work.

 

[G6 at Snook, TX]

Just so we are clear: I advocate neither Communism or Nazism. Both murdered millions and the world is a better place with dead Nazis or Communists.

 

[souNdguy]

we like old reliable stuff.

I have a nice looking smelly.. wish 303 was a lil cheaper though..

 

[Anonymous-0]

I never suspected you of being sympathetic to either Nazis or communists. We should mention Imperial Japan, as the murdered more than either. Including my wifes great grand parents. You could probably have pictures of Tojo or Shiro Ishii on your wall and no one would know who they were. Sad.

In Enemy at the Gates they demonstrated communist brutality on its own people. One of the snipers that got killed had been tortured and his teeth knocked out by the Soviet police. But he fought for his homeland. When the political officer turned on his former friend it showed abuse of power. I saw many jabs at communism in the movie.

The rifles! I have a lot more than that, the city and state don't care, the wife does. A few years back the local chain sporting goods store has 6.5 Swede Mausers for $99. Also had 20 % off cupons for any purchase over $100, I did what I thought reasonable and prudent, I bought 20 of them. My wife didn't see it that way, I guess I should have checked. Now I have to get rid of 2 before I bring in 1.

I am not so sure the Spanish Mausers were better than the Krag. You could top of the magazine with a round in the chamber. The Mauser stripper clip is clumsy compared. The advantage was the spitzer bullet. When they brought out the O3 Springfield it was chambered for the 30-03, it used the same round nose bullit the Krag did. No one ever said the Krag was unreliable and the action is slick. Also during the Spanish American war many US units were still using 45-70 trap doors, in fact some Reserve and Guard units still had them in WW1.

So, if I may ask, what was your favorite war movie ? Mine is Dr Strangelove, nothing inaccurate in that.

 

[G6 at Snook, TX]

The "Patriot" is my favorite...No, if I never see that movie again it will be too soon. The last time I watched it I wanted to vomit, but I never felt dirty watching it like the only time, for five minutes, I watched "Jersey Shore". I took a bath afterwards.

Gettysburg was pretty good. Gods and Generals not quite as good. Right now, I am a big fan of "The Pacific" particularly the portion that deals with Pelelieu. If your fanny doesn't squirm a bit when seeing those Marines cross the airfield then you are either cold blooded or you don't get it.

As for "Dr. Strangelove", I think it is one of the best comedies ever made. Especially when you compare that to "Fail-Safe" that hysterical Hollywood movie about nuclear Armageddon.