Planters

[Birdman]

Okay well I'm back in the market for a planter I guess, looked at the 7000 I was planning on refurbishing and it was way worse than it looked online. Take another 7K to refurbish that POS at least.
So, I'm thinking of looking at all options, there's a nice 12 row 7200 near me that has everything I intended to update the 12 row 7000 with on it for under 10K but I know nothing about the vacuum planters.
There's also a few 800-900 IH's around but the air crap intimidates me. How much trouble does that stuff all cause?
Also some whites around, parts are available through a local dealer for them here but they are air operated as well.
Too many choices, lol.

 

[Stuart]

Stay away from the CIH 800s and 900s, it is because of their reputation that CIH doesnt sell alot of planters. Have you tried looking for a used Kinze planter? Basically the same design as a Deere finger pickup unit.

 

[Birdman]

I have but the yare so high priced I have avoided them. I need to stay in a 5-10 K budget preferrably on the low side of that but I don't want junk either.

 

[Stuart]

I hear what your saying. I dont have any experience with vacuum planters but a friend of mine has a Deere, and he loves it. Me I prefer the finger pickup units myself. Easy and simple to work on.

 

[JDseller]

Birdman, What tractor are planing on pulling the planter with??? If you have enough hydraulic capacity that 7200 Vac planter is a real good one. Nothing to them just a plate with holes and a brush. You just need vacuum to hold the seeds to the plate. I will repost after hearing what tractor you have.

DO NOT buy a Case 800-900 air planter. They are a problem. If you want to go with a different brand than JD I would look at White. They are very simple planters too. They use air pressure to hold the seed to the plate.

 

[Birdman]

There are a few clear up in Glencoe MN that look good for decent mony but by the time I had one hauled clear down to MO I'd have another 2K in it probably, lol.

Here's one on TH that looks decent for $ if I was within a reasonable distance of MN.

http://www.external_link/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5726219

 

[Birdman]

I have a 6788 IH 2+2 for the larger tractor also have an 80 HP and a 60 HP tractor. I thought about going smaller than a 12 R, actually 8 would be ideal probably and I could likely pull an 8 with one of the smaller tractors all my fields are flat as a table. There is a 6 row white nearby that is a nice looking planter but I'm going up fro ma 4 row and I didn't think a 6 was a large enough step up. I farm 300 acres and need to get the crop in fast, a lot of ground to cover with 6 rows.

 

[rrlund]

I had a White. To be honest,I get a better stand with an Allis 333 air planter. Basicly the same units as the White,but for some reason,just a better,more uniform stand.

 

[paul]

I pretty much agre with what is said below.

7000 is good, simple machine for you.

7200 seems like a good machine if you have the tractor hyd to run it.

Case-IH didn't get it right until they got to the 1200 series, which may be more planter than you need, $$$$ anyhow.

I hear good things of White planters as well.

I suspect you are a tad early in the search, lotta folks don't start cleaning out the shed until March 'up here', perhaps mid Feb 'down there' you will see more machines advertised?

For your acres and tractors, an 8 row 7000 might be the 'sweet spot'.

I have a 4 row 7000 for corn, and a 15 row bean planter for soybeans. Let me tell you, cleanning out the bean planter for switching bags is a daunting task, never thought about that with the 4 row corn planter, but it takes a lot of time. The 8 row might get a lot done for you with less overhead & wasted time. Your 80 hp will match up great, the 60hp might do it, and you can leavve the tillage on the big fella.

For what I do (not too far from what you do & have) I would rather have an 8 row than a 12 row, I think I'd get more done with the 8 row.....

--->Paul

 

[NH1510]

I know where there is a 8 row 7000 series John Deere the farmer is wanting to get rid of in Central Arkansas. He has it sitting in a shed, doesn"t look bad. If you want, I can ask him what shape in and the price.

CB

 

[JMS/.MN]

An 8 row 7000 can typically do 10 acres per hour, 100 acres a day. Rebuilding the 12 row for $7000? That"s almost 600 per row. What was wrong with it?

 

[Birdman]

A few other things I'm looking for though in a planter.
1. Like for it to be hyd fold
2. Like to have a decent monitor (or priced low enough to add one, lol)
3. I live about 75 miles south of KC so thats a long haul (maybe worth it though)
4. I would like to plant beans with it as well.

I would be interested to know what he wants for it if you think it's in good shape. I don't mind doing some work on one as long as it doesn't need a ground up restoration, lol.

 

[Birdman]

Needed a monitor and sensors and harnes, needed several cover wheels, needed all the bearings to be dependable, needed four tires, needed all the meters rebuilt, only had bean cups needs kinze brush meters, needed several depth gauge wheels, needed two seed boxes, needed new bearings in the markers, parrellel arms were loose.

In short it needed total ground up restoration to be dependable, nothing worse than having to fight breakdowns all planting season. I didn't know it needed so many wheels and tires and the parrellel arms. I expected the bearings and meters and monitor.
I got home yesterday after looking at it close and opened the shoup online parts page and made a list of things needed and prices and it came out about $7000, they were asking $3000 for it. After seeing it I decided it is only worth about $1000, lol. That price was including adding no till coulters to it as well which I found used for $150 and I could get along okay without those. Might get some of the other parts used as well to take a chunk out of it but thats a he!! of a lot of work, if I counted time and labor for working on it to get it in shape I'd likely have 10K in it anyway. That made me think I might be better off paying more for something better to start with. If they come down another $1500 on the asking price of that old 7000 I might think again about it but I doubt they will.

Another thing is the front folds are so darn long, I bet I'd have to plant 24 endrows to do my fields, lol. The 7200 is ff as well though which is why I am still looking at other options. Another reason an 8 row was ideal as long as it folds, my roads here are too narrow to take a ridged 8 row down unless its an end pull type.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Don't be afraid of the IH planter. After using an IH planter, I would never go back to a Deere. They are really a simple planter to use, and only one seed hopper.

 

[Anonymous-0]

what about the 800 series pre-cyclo air, what are they like?

 

[NH1510]

Called the fellow that had the planter. It is an 8 row that has no till coulters, fertilizer attachments, insecticide attachment. The reason he quit using was using dry chicken pelletts and they got to high. He's using a 7300 now but says planter in good shape. Also has acreage counter on it. He's asking $4500.oo for it. If your still interested you can call me at 501-742-5209 or his number is 501-268-3952. I'll be up till about 10:30 tonight.

thanks Cecil

 

[Birdman]

Thanks that sounds pretty good! How does it transport? Is it ridged or does it fold in some fashion? I'm hping that it folds because it sounds super and I'm good with that price. Don't know what the chances are of finding someone to haul it up here.

Haha, probably be at least a week, looks like we're supposed to get a blizzard/ice storm through wednesday. Jeeze I'm ready for summer!

 

[Stuart]

Not sure, if they are still an air planter I would stay away from them. Nothing simpler than the finger pickup unit.

 

[Birdman]

Hmm, dunno, never seen an 800 that wasn't cyclo-air that I can recall...interesting though.

 

[Dave from MN]

I bought a JD7000 8row 30" last spring. $4000, with Kinze bean metters and precision corn metering. Rowcleaners, Rk bearing kits, Yetter trash whips, Dry Fert, 200 monitor, all new seed tubes, sensors and wiring. I pull is with a 870 Case (gas), and it planted great, very precise, very even emergence. One of the best investments I have made since we started cropping 2 years ago. I can move along at a very good clip, target 4.7 MPH , most accurate for me. Only thing that holds me back is filling the dry fertilizer, I need a better system. Highly recommend a 7000 with some updates on the planter. My feilds were as consistant as anything newer, if not better. Even did 100 acre custom plant.

 

[Birdman]

Wow, that was a find for $4K with all that on it. I've chatted around on a few forums and have only heard one or two negative comments on the 7000's and that was that the parts wear fairly quickly...usually countered by someone saying that the newer parts last better than OEM parts did. Also people say tha tthe parts availability of them, the accuracy of them and the simplicity of them far outweight the parts wear concern.

 

[Birdman]

Cecil, do you have an email, I hate using the phone, lol.
Thanks, Brent

 

[fixerupper]

In NW Iowa a good clean 7200 hyd front fold that won't take much preparation work will run $17000. Some are higher. Worn ones that are going to take a week's worth of work might go for 10,000 or less. In this area 12 row planters are being traded in for 24 row or even 36 planters.


Deere finger planters and White planters do the best job of singulating and placing the seed. If a Deere finger planter is run at 5MPH or less at 32000 pop or less it'll do a better job than a 7200 vac. Faster than that and at higher pops the finger planter goes downhill fast as far as plant spacing goes with stock factory parts. Deere vac planters outshine the 7000 finger ones at higher speeds and pops. With a finger planter you don't have to worry about your tractor's hydraulic system having enough oomph or cooling to run the fan. You just hook up and go. Cyclo's are simple planters that don't have much to go wrong and will do a respectable job but they aren't going to space the seed as well and they need a better seedbed for uniform depth.

 

[Birdman]

Thats interesting info, thanks!
I'm wanting to go back to planting beans with a planter. I've been planting them with a pair of 8300 JD drills and have noticed tha tthe seed depth is way out of whack and undependable. I had better emergence back when I was planting beans with my old 4 row planter with depth control. The drills kinda seem to go however deep the soil allows them to and sometimes that might even mean laying the seed on top, lol. If conditions aren't just perfect beans don't want to emerge evenly or at all.

I would love to have a 24 or 36 row planter but can't justify it for the size of my operation. Would love to farm more ground but farm ground here is about as easy to gain as meteor rock from jupiter.
I was thinking I would get a 12 row and just split the rows for beans for 15" rows and have the best of both worlds, narrow rows for beans wide for corn and get it done in a more timely fashion with the 12 row. Don't know how good an idea that is but that was the theory anyway, lol.
How great does a hydraulic system need to be to operate the 7200's? I don't think the 6788's had al lthat great a hydraulic system with the piston pump setup. It works fine for what I have but maybe not a good matchup for a 7200 planter.

 

[NH1510]

I'm on aol. [email protected] or give me your phone number and I can call you.

Cecil

 

[Anonymous-0]

they did make 7200 finger planters not all vac. if you get an older vac planter make sure it has single inlet meters on it. the first jd vac planters had a double inlet meter, till about 92. with the single inlet you can put e set in the meter and no meter will work as well as far as corn. they do need more vac

 

[dixon boy]

i know i am odd man out here but I had the 7000 series deere planters when farmed in partnership. when farming split apart first thing I did was sell my interest in the JD 7000 and went bought brand new 800 series IH(then) planter . To me was best move I made. Later had 900 series and loved it also,still alot of those being run in my area. dealer in area is what sells the brands no matter if green yellow or red. a good dealer is what will sell in the area. Let me know if I can help have some deere units in my area right not that are for sale if that would help also,let me know. If I would get back into the farming game it would be old Ih 900 sereis unit they are simpole and they will plant as good as anything out there even today as far as i am concerned. No matter what machine it is you have to set them up correctly period.

 

[Birdman]

Thanks Dixon Boy, what area are you in?

I found an 8 row 7000 fairy close to me for decent money this morning but I'm still open to suggestions, thoughts and ideas at this point.

I agree, I still see several of the old 800's and 900's here around me and folks seem to get by good with them. I don't see very many JD 7000's though I have talked to several people around that say good things about them. Most of whats left around here farmer wise though are big producers 1500 to 4000 acre farmers. They all run pretty new equipment and Kinze is usually the status quo, next is probably JD followed by CaseIH. JD does a lot of business due to their financing I believe..seems to be their strength here anyway.

Strongest thing to me in favor of the 7000's as an older unit is the fact that Kinze's took over the design and kept it. They also don't have all the air hoses and contraption to worry with. There are a few 12 and 16 row 800 IH rear fold units here for $9-$13 that are tempting. They look nice and I like the way the fold, not as long unfolded as the front fold JD's. My ex-BIL farms about 3000 acres and has always used IH planters, just traded from a custom built 800 toolbar 24 row with seed cart to one of the big 30+/?+ row splitter units with bulk fill.

To me one of the best things the 800's have going for them against the 7000/Kinze is the bulk fill aspect.

 

[Bob Bancroft]

I recently bought a new JD 1750 vacuum planter, only because the White dealers are gone. I had a White air for over a decade, and it was bullet proof. No seals, talc, moving parts in the seed, etc. It was just so simple. I certainly would have bought another if there was a dealer nearby.

 

[paul]

Now, with the massive 24 & 36 & bigger center fill bulk planters, they are finding the middle rows of corn are less productive. Too much weight, the compaction is affecting the corn. All that weight is carried on tandem wheels straddling 2 rows; those rows are shutting down in some soil types.....

Meaningless trivia for your needs.....

--->Paul

 

[Birdman]

I don't think thats meaningless trivia, more like useful info. It stands to reason that by the time the tractor big enough to pull one of those rigs goes through transferring the pulled weight to the footprint of the tractor to the soil, then followed by the massive weight of the planter...it's going to have some sort of impact on the soil structure.

Cost of going too big maybe? Things that no engineer probably had the foresight to allow for in the design. Might be better to have two or three machines in the fields to get work done faster instead of gargantuan equipment. I have to admit...never crossed my mind either, lol. There are several guys around here though that run their operation almost alone with the big equipment, I suppose they could hire some help to run the extra stuff though.

 

[Anonymous-0]

i have heard of 60 bu loss on center rows its not so bad if planted in more dry conditions. some have gone to tracks on the center of the planter. i have seen damage with 12 row planters if its to wet

 

[paul]

The experts are saying that corn does good if it can grow roots out to one side, hardly noticable yield difference, but if the compation is on both sides of one row that row will show it.

So they are talking about duals on the planter tractor now, not as good as we thought if youare too heavy. Running singles and compacting even more on that one tire does less damage than the duals might. Used to be running duals to plant was a status symbol, I remember my neighbor putting duals on to plant with a 6 row back in the day just to look like more.

What goes around comes around.

--->Paul

 

[fixerupper]

Not experienced with a 6788, but my IH 1086's 15 GPM gear pump isn't enough to run my 7200 12 row. When I bought the planter I was told the IH hyd system would overheat and also wouldn't have enough flow to run the fan and raise the planter at the same time. I do pull this planter with the 1086 but I have Deere's PTO hyd pump running the fan. Jim

 

[Birdman]

Yeah, I'm ruling out the 7200 planter a tthis point. I'm down to a 12 R 800 Ih or a 7000 JD 8row, the IH is nearby and reasonable and the 7000 is about 160 miles from me and cheaper than the IH.
I actually considered buying both the ywere so cheap, trying both and keeping the one I like the best. May keep them both, they seem to be about equal in good and bad points from what I can tell. About all thats left is actually using them to narrow it down further, lol.

I sure appreaciate all the great comments and help you guys have all contributed to this thread thusfar. I hope I can be of some help to someone here sometime.

 

[dixon boy]

Southeast Iowa about 50 miles southeast iowa city iowa. If you are talking about the horizontal rear fold unts that was the last yunit i had And really liked that unit. what ever you decide DO NOT GO WITH THREE POINT UNIT GREEN OR RED. Been ther done that and hated them. Enough said on that. Stay with pull type unit. Kinze alright I assemble them yet for dealers and they just blue deere units each has its owm little differences to get around patent issues. Personall if going new i would go with the great plains units, they have some nice simple features assemble several those last season. Let me know if have any questions on the IH units they are basically two 6 or 8 row planters on one split toolbar,really work sick i always thought